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Demarcus Cousins 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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10 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

Yes and as we are basketball fans we should really only care about his performance on the court.  I mean his extracurriculars are good but don’t negate his on court issues.  Jordan was a degenerate gambler but people don’t remember that they only remember him for being a champion.  We can give boogie a citizenship award but we’re talking about fantasy bball.  

If we are talking about fantasy bball then who cares if he doesn't get back on defense, has a bad attitude, gets techs, etc? If we are just talking about fantasy then Boogie is a beast and this signing with GS is the best thing to happen to his owners this year. His upside is suppressed and it will save a lot of owners that would have reached for him. We get to see how Boogie plays when healthy and that will set us up with good knowledge heading into the draft in 2 years. In terms of fantasy bball I don't think anyone has anything negative to say about Boogie. 

 

10 hours ago, jay14bay said:

Being a good guy off the court has absolutely nothing to do with not getting back on defense or having emotional outbursts on the court or in the locker room.  smh

Dude, very few people that carry the load Boogie has carried on offense get back on defense. And Boogie is an enormous human being and is playing minutes that are usually only seen by guards and wings. Lebron literally coasts/doesn't hustle on defense until it is the final stretch of the season and the postseason. Westbrook is horrible on defense with his effort. If Boogie hustled on defense would it really matter if he had to sit an extra 6-8 minutes? If Boogie hustled on defense would the Kings have been any better? Also, not everyone is great at defense. I never considered Boogie to be a defensive minded player. And I never said anything about Boogie being the greatest player. I just said he wasn't a cancer. 

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18 hours ago, thezing1 said:

If we are talking about fantasy bball then who cares if he doesn't get back on defense, has a bad attitude, gets techs, etc? If we are just talking about fantasy then Boogie is a beast and this signing with GS is the best thing to happen to his owners this year. His upside is suppressed and it will save a lot of owners that would have reached for him. We get to see how Boogie plays when healthy and that will set us up with good knowledge heading into the draft in 2 years. In terms of fantasy bball I don't think anyone has anything negative to say about Boogie. 

 

 

Maybe it's your working but this is actually the worst thing to happen to Boogies fantasy production, but I think you're saying that if you are planning on drafting him its the best thing b/c you'll get him a round or two later.  Still, I'd rather have him be the alpha on his team and have to reach for him a round or two earlier.

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19 hours ago, hipriest69 said:

 

Maybe it's your working but this is actually the worst thing to happen to Boogies fantasy production, but I think you're saying that if you are planning on drafting him its the best thing b/c you'll get him a round or two later.  Still, I'd rather have him be the alpha on his team and have to reach for him a round or two earlier.

Yes, I am saying this is the best thing that could have happened to save countless owners that reached for him in the draft. For Boogie, this is obviously the worst thing for his fantasy value. 

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20 hours ago, hipriest69 said:

 

Maybe it's your working but this is actually the worst thing to happen to Boogies fantasy production, but I think you're saying that if you are planning on drafting him its the best thing b/c you'll get him a round or two later.  Still, I'd rather have him be the alpha on his team and have to reach for him a round or two earlier.

This is also the worst thing for people that are disciplined, experienced, etc. that knew not to reach and overdraft Boogie. Now everyone will knock him down a couple rounds on their rankings and the edge will be lessened/lost. Hopefully that makes sense. I know I am not doing the best job explaining it. 

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Last year the Warrior big 4 combined for over 70 PPG. Obviously, there will be regression with Cousins on the roster but it’s damn hard to see him putting up anywhere close to 20 PPG unless the Warriors are going to obliterate the record books. Which isn’t impossible but I wouldn’t bet on it. He should be far more efficient though.

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Draymond isn’t going to score more than 10ppg with that roster.  So Curry, Thompson, Durant, and Cousins become the big four once Cousins is healthy.  I think those 4 will easily surpass 80 ppg with each of the four averaging over 20ppg. If anything I think Thompson scores a little less, with both he and Cousins scoring 18-19 ppg.  On the other hand Cousins is a good passer from the post and I think that cuts into Draymond’s assists a little.  Cousins is a also a 1/1/1 guy so I think he will still have value.  Once he’s perfectly healthy (if ever) he could be around 16/8/4/1/1/1.  That’s near Jokic territory.  Historically, Cousins counting stats have been awesome, but his efficiency has been poor.  On the warriors his efficiency will go up to a certain extent so he’ll be over 47% from the field and get his To under 2.  He will be a different player but he could still return 3rd round value.  That being said I wouldn’t draft him in the third due to missed time and risk.  

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On 7/6/2018 at 7:32 PM, thezing1 said:

Dude, very few people that carry the load Boogie has carried on offense get back on defense. And Boogie is an enormous human being and is playing minutes that are usually only seen by guards and wings. Lebron literally coasts/doesn't hustle on defense until it is the final stretch of the season and the postseason. Westbrook is horrible on defense with his effort. If Boogie hustled on defense would it really matter if he had to sit an extra 6-8 minutes? If Boogie hustled on defense would the Kings have been any better? Also, not everyone is great at defense. I never considered Boogie to be a defensive minded player. And I never said anything about Boogie being the greatest player. I just said he wasn't a cancer. 

 

Sorry, I will spell things out more clearly when responding to you.  Yes, I think the Kings (or any team) are in theory better when their best player puts in the effort on both ends of the floor.  Even if that means sitting a few more minutes while a replacement-level backup plays a few extra minutes. Besides the on court effect, defensive effort and intensity is an ingredient that goes into culture.  See Boston, for example.

 

The reason I brought this up (along with the emotional outbursts) are exactly to support my opinion that he is in fact a cancer. I should have stated this more clearly. You said that since he is such a good guy on the court, you couldn't imagine how he could be detrimental to a locker room.  The two reasons I listed are examples of many others that support my opinion.  Of course, we don't have to disagree.  I can't wait to see how he responds in GS.

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3 hours ago, jay14bay said:

 

Sorry, I will spell things out more clearly when responding to you.  Yes, I think the Kings (or any team) are in theory better when their best player puts in the effort on both ends of the floor.  Even if that means sitting a few more minutes while a replacement-level backup plays a few extra minutes. Besides the on court effect, defensive effort and intensity is an ingredient that goes into culture.  See Boston, for example.

 

The reason I brought this up (along with the emotional outbursts) are exactly to support my opinion that he is in fact a cancer. I should have stated this more clearly. You said that since he is such a good guy on the court, you couldn't imagine how he could be detrimental to a locker room.  The two reasons I listed are examples of many others that support my opinion.  Of course, we don't have to disagree.  I can't wait to see how he responds in GS.

Yea, it is going to be interesting for sure. I made some friendly side bet on Lonzo's shooting percentage last year when that was a controversial topic. I feel Boogie in GS is similar. If I could figure out how to make a line on Boogie in GS I would offer a friendly side bet with you where I took the over on Boogie being in remission in GS and you would take the under on his cancer spreading to GS. If you can figure out how we can make a line I would be down. I will think on it some more as well. 

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Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery.  Can you imagine if he and Draymond swapped places? If Draymond had been in Sac this entire time and Cousins in GSW?   How angry and disruptive would Draymond be?  Winning changes everything.  I think Cousins will have 0 behavioral issues because now he will get a ring and his career earnings are riding on this year.  

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Anyone have any idea why boogie is listed GTD on yahoo. I want to put him on my IR spot to pick up someone but can't 

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If Boogie plays even half as good as he did last season, he will be a steal with the yahoo ranking of 94th. People freak out over injuries, yes some players never are the same, but look at players like embiid, griffin even PG. No PG wasn't himself but my god did he change his game and still produce freakish numbers. I expect less numbers but still Boogie doing Boogie things. Warriors are very scary.

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11 hours ago, PaddyAustralia said:

If Boogie plays even half as good as he did last season, he will be a steal with the yahoo ranking of 94th. People freak out over injuries, yes some players never are the same, but look at players like embiid, griffin even PG. No PG wasn't himself but my god did he change his game and still produce freakish numbers. I expect less numbers but still Boogie doing Boogie things. Warriors are very scary.

Though PG had a clean break in the bone, iirc Boogie had a full ruptured Achilles. Big difference.

He's gotta lose weight and work on his conditioning to keep up with the warriors pace. Could be hard to do with that particular injury

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Blown Achilles are not like most injuries.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/1/27/16940178/demarcus-cousins-achilles-injury-golden-state-warriors-this-is-the-worst

 

Here are the most notable players who suffered torn Achilles tendons in the past two decades, and how they recovered from it.

Rudy Gay

When the injury happened: A January 2017 game at age 30

Before the injury: Gay was averaged 34 minutes while scoring 19 points on career-high efficiency figures with the Kings.

After the injury: Gay’s efficiency remained about the same as his previous season, but his minutes were greatly reduced in San Antonio. His relatively quick recovery process, along with players like Wesley Matthews, would seem to show that Achilles rehab has quickened slightly from the 2000s.

Wes Matthews

When the injury happened: A March 2015 game at age 28

Before the injury: Matthews averaged more than 15 points on 57.5 True Shooting Percentage in Portland.

After the injury: Matthews incredibly started for the Mavericks season opener in 2015, but he has never been the same player. His 2017-18 campaign is the best since the injury, but Matthews never recovered his full mobility and his two-point shooting remained well below his career numbers.

Brandon Jennings

When the injury happened: A January 2015 game at age 26

Before the injury: Jennings had played for Detroit and Milwaukee as a backup point guard and may have been headed out of the league anyway.

After the injury: Jennings had two stints with teams equalling 81 games. Neither was particularly effective.

Kobe Bryant

When the injury happened: A March 2013 game at age 34

Before the injury: Bryant was past his prime, but he was still a dominant force, averaging 27.3 points on 46 percent shooting that season.

After the injury: Bryant played six, 35, and 66 games in the next three seasons before retiring. He averaged 19 points on just 37 percent shooting from the field.

Anderson Varejao

When the injury happened: A December 2014 game at age 32

Before the injury: After dealing with major injuries for three straight seasons, Varejao’s 2013-14 effort was his healthiest yet, playing 65 games. He made it through 26 games in 2014 before the torn Achilles.

After the injury: Varejao played 67 games and just 588 minutes in the next two seasons, combined. The injury effectively ended his career.

Chauncey Billups

When the injury happened: A February 2012 game at age 35

Before the injury: Billups was still averaging 15 points that season before his Achilles injury, though he was only shooting 36 percent from the field.

After the injury: Billups played just 41 more games over the next two seasons before retiring.

Mehmet Okur

When the injury happened: An April 2010 playoff game at age 30

Before the injury: Okur averaged 13.5 points and 7.1 rebounds during the 2009-10 regular season, starting all 73 games for Utah.

After the injury: Okur played just 30 more games across two seasons for the Jazz and Nets. Neither were particularly effective.

Elton Brand

When the injury happened: An August 2007 offseason workout at age 28

Before the injury: Through his first nine seasons, Brand averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds as an athletic force known for his leaping abilities. It wasn’t ridiculous to think that Brand could have been a Hall of Fame candidate if he had been allowed to continue his prime uninterrupted.

After the injury: Brand averaged 15 points and eight rebounds during the 2010-11 season, but never eclipsed those numbers in any other one. In an interview with InsideSocal.com, Brand said this:

I didn’t have the same explosiveness that I had. I regained and then I relost it. I didn’t have it. I had to change my game a little bit where I jumped off two feet and I was a little bit slower.

Voshon Lenard

When the injury happened: A December 2004 game at age 30

Before the injury: Lenard was one of the league’s best shooters, and finished his career just shy of 1,000 made threes. In the 2003-04 season, he averaged 14 points while playing 73 games for the Denver Nuggets.

After the injury: Lenard only played 29 more games across two seasons following his torn Achilles tendon.

Maurice Taylor

When the injury happened: A September 2001 offseason workout at age 24

Before the injury: Taylor was a promising young player for the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Clippers, averaging 14 points and five rebounds in his first four seasons.

After the injury: Taylor never even reached his rookie season numbers again, averaging just eight points, although he did play 286 more games.

LaPhonso Ellis

When the injury happened: An April 1997 game at age 26

Before the injury: Ellis was a high-flier in the 90s in the midst of a career year, averaging 22 points and seven rebounds before the torn Achilles.

After the injury: Ellis played six more seasons, but he never even hit 15 points per game again and averaged just 9.3 during 357 more games.

Dominique Wilkins

When the injury happened: A January 1992 game at age 32

Before the injury: Wilkins is a strange case, and perhaps not perfectly comparable, given his injury happened nearly 25 years ago with few similar examples since.

After the injury: No player has ever recovered to the same level that Wilkins did after a torn Achilles. Across Wilkins’ next two seasons, he averaged 28 points and nearly seven rebounds per game on 45 percent shooting. His numbers declined the next year, but Wilkins also turned 35 — it was going to happen eventually.

 

While Elton Brand was a very good player and an All-Star, he was no Boogie.  However, their size and age make that comparison probably the best of this group.  It's not perfect- I'm not saying it is.  But here are Brand's BBM 9 cat rankings in the years before the injury:

 

06-07: 9

05-06: 4

04-05: 18

03-04: 9

02-03: 11

 

He played 7 games in 07-08, but as we see he got injured much later in the year (August) than Boogie did (February), so the games played don't really matter and neither does his rank that year (83 on a per game basis but 7 games, so whatever).  The years that followed:

 

08-09:  174

09-10: 99

10-11: 20

11-12: 45

12-13: 129

 

In a keeper league, things can get muddy, but even then before the 6th or 7th round, I dunno how much value you're really gonna get in 2019-2020.  In a redraft league, if you have an IR slot and you're at pick 100, why not?  You're gonna end dropping whoever you draft that round eventually anyway, right?  But if you expect big things this year, you're PROBABLY going to be disappointed.  Don't invest too much.

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Taking in consideration the recent news that he is ahead of the schedule and already started working on 0-5 in which round would you pick in a 8 cat league with IR spot?

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8 hours ago, paokmaniak said:

Taking in consideration the recent news that he is ahead of the schedule and already started working on 0-5 in which round would you pick in a 8 cat league with IR spot?

 

Since it's 8-cat. He should go around 7th or 8th round if you have an IR

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I have an IR and took him 10th round. Worth the risk imo

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10th round as well, couldn’t pass on him IMO. Positive he plays before the year ends and I like his outlook if he plays, as he will:

 

1) Increase his efficiency as he doesn’t have to force anything on O or expend as much effort on this stacked team

 

2) Almost never get double teamed vs the other Warrior all stars (except draymond) + he has the size and strength to capitalize vs most players in 1 on 1 situations - even post injury.

 

3) Contract year and this is as much about rebuilding his market value with less pressure as it is about getting a ring for him

 

4) Less technicals since he’s on the same team as Draymond

 

I cant fathom what his ppg will be as he’s so talented and the warriors dont need him to drop 20 to win - but should attain career highs in fg%, ft% and to, along with double digit boards, 3 assists, a three, a steal and block.

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I have him in my IR spot but I can’t really decide whether it would be worth keeping him there when someone else noteworthy gets injured. Like how much do we expect him to play this year and will he even be worth it?

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1 hour ago, Maxemann said:

12 Man Roto

what the latest you would pick cousins?

 

There are about 1600 eligible players on my Fantrax league, so the latest I would take him is about 1600.

If I were doing a snake draft in a 12-team 9-cat H2H league with one IR spot, I personally wouldn't take him before about pick 120. 

Of course, all of this is highly dependent on your league size, settings, rosters, IR spots, etc.

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2 hours ago, jay14bay said:

 

There are about 1600 eligible players on my Fantrax league, so the latest I would take him is about 1600.

If I were doing a snake draft in a 12-team 9-cat H2H league with one IR spot, I personally wouldn't take him before about pick 120. 

Of course, all of this is highly dependent on your league size, settings, rosters, IR spots, etc.

It's the latest you would pick not could pick...

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I grabbed him at 113 with 2 IR spots available. Worth the gamble.

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1 hour ago, Rhythms said:

It's the latest you would pick not could pick...

 

I think the OP meant earliest you would pick, not latest.  Hence my snarky comment.

 

The latest I would pick him is exactly as I said, the latest possible pick.

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