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2 minutes ago, absknicks said:

 

You're still stuck on the very incorrect notion that having a high K% means you have poor plate discipline. That indicates you lack a basic understanding of the metrics and what constitutes good and bad plate discipline. 

 

Then why fall back on citing his minor-league PA in response to my point about strikeout rate if you thought it completely irrelevant to evaluating plate discipline?!

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33 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Yeah real smart as Happ, Paxton and Sabathia have been stellar signings\trades lol.  You can praise Cashman all you want for the offensive moves he has made, but his pitching decisions over the years have been nothing short of abysmal imo.  How did Gray work out?  How about Vazquez not once but twice?  How about Carl "Buttock's Injury" Pavano?  And the list goes on.   Cashman would not know a good starting pitcher if Cy Young himself came back to life and fell on him imo.  All the offense looks great now as we beat up on the Os and others.  If they fail to win the pennant because they run into a buzz saw in Houston made up of Verlander\Cole\Greinke\Miley and their starters implode in said series costing them the pennant, it will end up being a lost season regardless.  The old cliche that pitching and defense wins pennant is still true last I saw.  Hopefully it does not come back and bite us in October because our GM and what passes for pitching development in the Yankee system have not developed a top of the line starter out of their system since Andy Pettitte in 1995.

 

so your argument is Vasquez, Pavano, Burnett, Wright, Randy johnson and pretty much every NL pitcher we sign/trade for doesnt work out...and we should counter this by signing another NL pitcher?

 

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3 minutes ago, jfazz23 said:

 

so your argument is Vasquez, Pavano, Burnett, Wright, Randy johnson and pretty much every NL pitcher we sign/trade for doesnt work out...and we should counter this by signing another NL pitcher?

 

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Just ask him about Paxton and Tanaka - get back to me with   007’s answer

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1 minute ago, BMcP said:

Just ask him about Paxton and Tanaka - get back me to with  me 007’s answer

 

was this english? corbin would probably have similar numbers to these guys if he were pitching in yankee stadium

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Just now, jfazz23 said:

 

was this english? corbin would probably have similar numbers to these guys if he were pitching in yankee stadium

No - check modified post

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1 minute ago, BMcP said:

No - check modified post

 

stil not sure what youre saying.  he went after paxton which was a good move.  paxton hasnt been great but has showed top of the line stuff at times.  the ball is clearly effecting tanaka and he still has the ability to throw a great game.  no guarantee corbin can pitch to a sub 4 era in yankee stadium. that doesnt put us over the top against verlander and cole.

 

Severino is probably our best hope if hes 100%

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2 minutes ago, jfazz23 said:

 

stil not sure what youre saying.  he went after paxton which was a good move.  paxton hasnt been great but has showed top of the line stuff at times.  the ball is clearly effecting tanaka and he still has the ability to throw a great game.  no guarantee corbin can pitch to a sub 4 era in yankee stadium. that doesnt put us over the top against verlander and cole.

 

Severino is probably our best hope if hes 100%

Agreed in full.  I do wish he got Corbin. But the starters we have are pretty darn good.

I wish we followed through with the Cole concept.

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7 hours ago, jfazz23 said:

 

so your argument is Vasquez, Pavano, Burnett, Wright, Randy johnson and pretty much every NL pitcher we sign/trade for doesnt work out...and we should counter this by signing another NL pitcher?

 

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No, your argument is Cashman is some sort of GM of the year....this coming from a guy whose organization has not developed a top of the rotation starter in 24 years and who has signed or traded for one stiff SP after another including the aforementioned Happ, Paxton, etc.  Happ was an AL pitcher...he stinks.  Paxton was an AL pitcher...he has badly underperformed.  Sabathia was an end of his career, AL, 4 IP, 2 times through the rotation (at best), overweight SP with a bad knee and he re-signs him again and then is shocked he is not that effective and\or hurt.  Yeah what a genius of a GM he is.  When they go against the Astros and these guys are ineffective and it potentially costs us the AL pennant, you can continue to tout what a genius he is.  No GM in his right mind intent on going all the way builds a team with mediocre at best starting pitching.  And while the benefit of Corbin can be debated, he would still be better than Paxton, Happ, Sabarhia and Tanaka all of whom have 4.4+ ERAs.  The Red Sox sign Sale and they win a WS with him (stupid extension no withstanding).  The Indians and TB can actually develop starters.  The Astors go get Verlander, Cole and Greinke.  Our pitching gurus go get the Happs and Paxtons of the league. 

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14 minutes ago, MSkibisky said:

Lots of complaining here for a team who is 79-41 🙄

Didn’t you hear?  We already lost the pennant to the Astros because of stupid Cashman.

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2 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Means little if you do not get to the WS.

I know, just saying. Lots of complaining going on but, they are still tied for the best win% in baseball right now with LAD.

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Damn tough crowd in here.  Some of you would last maybe one game being a Mariners fan before skydiving off the space needle with no parachute. 

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22 minutes ago, MSkibisky said:

I know, just saying. Lots of complaining going on but, they are still tied for the best win% in baseball right now with LAD.

Yes, but beating up on the Os is hardly a true indicator of what is going on.  They are out clubbing everyone.  That is great for the regular season.  Come playoff time, they are not facing the Yacabonis's or Ynoa's of the league...they are going to need to get to Verlander, Cole types or at least stay close to the later innings.  Maybe they do and it all works out, but touting the genius of Cashman for building this patch worked starting staff is simply not seeing the forest through the trees imo. 

 

The Dodgers have excellent pitching.  The Astros have excellent pitching.  It is what makes them the clear cut favorites in their respective leagues right now.  That is not to say they are locks to win.  However, no one should be slapping Cashman on the back for what he has done this year.  This team has a 200+M payroll and is SUPPOSED to challenge for a title and no one designed it to do so by out clubbing everyone while having mediocre starting pitching.  Some of the problems relate to injuries, but the direct moves made by our "illustrious" GM in the off season have flopped like every move he has made for over 10 years wrt the starters.  No one should be congratulating him for that.  If they lose, it will most likely be because he failed in spectacular fashion wrt the starting staff yet again.  For all the accolades he gets about finding the likes of Voit, Tauchman, Urshella, etc. (and that is well deserved), it will not mean much if they lose in the playoffs because the starters are ineffective because for whatever reason he has seen value in Happ and Paxton over Cole, Verlander and others.

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Short of paying up for Corbin, what did you want Cashman to do exactly in 2019?

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12 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Yes, but beating up on the Os is hardly a true indicator of what is going on.  They are out clubbing everyone.  That is great for the regular season.  Come playoff time, they are not facing the Yacabonis's or Ynoa's of the league...they are going to need to get to Verlander, Cole types or at least stay close to the later innings.  Maybe they do and it all works out, but touting the genius of Cashman for building this patch worked starting staff is simply not seeing the forest through the trees imo. 

 

The Dodgers have excellent pitching.  The Astros have excellent pitching.  It is what makes them the clear cut favorites in their respective leagues right now.  That is not to say they are locks to win.  However, no one should be slapping Cashman on the back for what he has done this year.  This team has a 200+M payroll and is SUPPOSED to challenge for a title and no one designed it to do so by out clubbing everyone while having mediocre starting pitching.  Some of the problems relate to injuries, but the direct moves made by our "illustrious" GM in the off season have flopped like every move he has made for over 10 years wrt the starters.  No one should be congratulating him for that.  If they lose, it will most likely be because he failed in spectacular fashion wrt the starting staff yet again.  For all the accolades he gets about finding the likes of Voit, Tauchman, Urshella, etc. (and that is well deserved), it will not mean much if they lose in the playoffs because the starters are ineffective because for whatever reason he has seen value in Happ and Paxton over Cole, Verlander and others.

Good point, i guess I'm just jealous as a sox fan than we can't even beat teams like CHW and BAL

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15 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Yes, but beating up on the Os is hardly a true indicator of what is going on.  They are out clubbing everyone.  That is great for the regular season.  Come playoff time, they are not facing the Yacabonis's or Ynoa's of the league...they are going to need to get to Verlander, Cole types or at least stay close to the later innings.  Maybe they do and it all works out, but touting the genius of Cashman for building this patch worked starting staff is simply not seeing the forest through the trees imo. 

 

The Dodgers have excellent pitching.  The Astros have excellent pitching.  It is what makes them the clear cut favorites in their respective leagues right now.  That is not to say they are locks to win.  However, no one should be slapping Cashman on the back for what he has done this year.  This team has a 200+M payroll and is SUPPOSED to challenge for a title and no one designed it to do so by out clubbing everyone while having mediocre starting pitching.  Some of the problems relate to injuries, but the direct moves made by our "illustrious" GM in the off season have flopped like every move he has made for over 10 years wrt the starters.  No one should be congratulating him for that.  If they lose, it will most likely be because he failed in spectacular fashion wrt the starting staff yet again.  For all the accolades he gets about finding the likes of Voit, Tauchman, Urshella, etc. (and that is well deserved), it will not mean much if they lose in the playoffs because the starters are ineffective because for whatever reason he has seen value in Happ and Paxton over Cole, Verlander and others.

 

we developed Severino, he had a bad lat/rear delt injury which sucks.  first half 2018 Sevrino is just as good or better than anyone on Houston/Dodgers/cleveland.  we developed German.  who might not be as good as the verlander/cole/Buehler crowd but hes looking like a VERY solid 2.  we currently have Garcia, Medina, Gil in the minors because Cashman didnt trade them away for Mike Leake.

he went out and got a guy, Paxton, who was in the top 5 in FIP over the last 3 years.  right there with Degrom, Scherzer etc

 

 offensively hes found amazing players without giving anything up.  Didi, Voit, Urshela, Got torres via trade for chapman, Tauchman, Hicks (when healthy) DJLem.  pretty much every move except Stanton has worked offensively in the last 3 or so years.  Ya, Happ has disappointed....no GM bats 1000!  because of the young talent, and CC/Gardner/ellsbury and AROD contracts running out, i wouldnt be surprised if he throws like 200-250 million at Gerrit Cole.  Will that stop your complaining? 

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2 minutes ago, BMcP said:

Short of paying up for Corbin, what did you want Cashman to do exactly in 2019?

Hindsight is always 20/20 and it really is besides the point.  He is paid big bucks to get it right and it is not like he has had a great track record on the starting pitchers in the past.  He has failed miserably on the staff for over a decade. 

 

That said, as to what he could have done in hindsight, we can start with Charlie Morton.  The team with the smallest budget in MLB signs a 35+ year old SP for 15M a season over 3 years.  Not their typical MO to say the least.  And what a shocker, TB whose management and scouting staff actually know something about pitching, actually get it right.  How good would Morton look pitching for the Yanks instead of clueless Happ or old man Sabathia?

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5 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 and it really is besides the point.  He is paid big bucks to get it right and it is not like he has had a great track record on the starting pitchers in the past.  He has failed miserably on the staff for over a decade. 

 

That said, as to what he could have done in hindsight, we can start with Charlie Morton.  The team with the smallest budget in MLB signs a 35+ year old SP for 15M a season over 3 years.  Not their typical MO to say the least.  And what a shocker, TB whose management and scouting staff actually know something about pitching, actually get it right.  How good would Morton look pitching for the Yanks instead of clueless Happ or old man Sabathia?

Nearly 36-year-old starter who hadn’t been good for ages apart from a couple of bounce-back seasons on the Astros?  What were you just saying about 20/20 hindsight?

How many great starters does Tampa Bay have at the moment, exactly?  Round to the nearest five.

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5 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 and it really is besides the point.  He is paid big bucks to get it right and it is not like he has had a great track record on the starting pitchers in the past.  He has failed miserably on the staff for over a decade. 

 

That said, as to what he could have done in hindsight, we can start with Charlie Morton.  The team with the smallest budget in MLB signs a 35+ year old SP for 15M a season over 3 years.  Not their typical MO to say the least.  And what a shocker, TB whose management and scouting staff actually know something about pitching, actually get it right.  How good would Morton look pitching for the Yanks instead of clueless Happ or old man Sabathia?

 

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Nearly 36-year-old starter who hadn’t been good for ages apart from a couple of bounce-back seasons on the Astros?  What were you just saying about 20/20 hindsight?

 

Morton said he wouldnt have went to new york...his family is from Florida.  he thought about retiring but tampa is about 30 minutes from his family or something...

 

Happ has been VERY GOOD for the last 3-5 years, 3 of which being in the AL east.  he was also VERY good for the yankees the last 2 months of the year last year.  there is no way you could have  known he wouldnt have a JA Happish year this year....

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Just now, MSkibisky said:

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Slow down, kibisky - I don’t want to have perform the Heimlich now.

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1 minute ago, BMcP said:

Nearly 36-year-old starter who hadn’t been good for ages apart from a couple of bounce-back seasons on the Astros?  What were you just saying about 20/20 hindsight?

How many great starters does Tampa Bay have at the moment, exactly?  Round to the nearest five.

1 more than the Yanks do...the guy they paid 15M to.  And it is much better to pay Sabathia 8M or Happ who is 36, 17M a year for the next 3 years?  The Rays hardly ever pay for free agents as they do not have the resources generally.  They saw Morton as a bargain.  Bottom line is they were right.  Cashman and his so called pitching experts passed and got another albatross contract.

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Just now, secretagentman said:

1 more than the Yanks do...the guy they paid 15M to.  And it is much better to pay Sabathia 8M or Happ who is 36, 17M a year for the next 3 years?  The Rays hardly ever pay for free agents as they do not have the resources generally.  They saw Morton as a bargain.  Bottom line is they were right.  Cashman and his so called pitching experts passed and got another albatross contract.

Wait - what?  Are you claiming the Yankees don’t have a single great starter?  You’re losing me here, 007.  I need you to start making some sense.

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2 minutes ago, jfazz23 said:

 

 

Morton said he wouldnt have went to new york...his family is from Florida.  he thought about retiring but tampa is about 30 minutes from his family or something...

 

Happ has been VERY GOOD for the last 3-5 years, 3 of which being in the AL east.  he was also VERY good for the yankees the last 2 months of the year last year.  there is no way you could have  known he wouldnt have a JA Happish year this year....

He is paid big bucks to know.  How many mistakes with starters does he have to make before people realize he has not got a clue wrt their talent evaluation?  The only goodfree agent starter he has signed in the past roughly 2 decades has been Mussina and a blind man could have made that call.  Everyone else has anything from a disappointment to outright disaster.  But yeah, keep giving him a pass.

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