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Saquon Barkley 2019 Outlook

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11 minutes ago, austin316 said:

Lolz you're kidding right?

He is not dropworthy...

 

7 minutes ago, dakimbell said:

please tell me that your sarcasm wasn't as obvious as you intended it to be in your post?! this is the most ludicrous thing I have ever seen, he is absolutely not droppable with a 4-8 week timeframe, IR league or not.

 

Not everybody plays standard leagues, or keeper/dynasty. Gotta win now.

 

Again risky move in AUCTION leagues, where your league has no salary cap room to add Barkley.

 

No one is going to drop expensive guys that are helping them win fantasy NOW, to pick up Barkley to sit on the bench until week 9-12 when they might be too late to even compete for winnings....(redraft of course).

 

Imagine you could pick up a WR2 and RB2 for Barkley to help your team win the next 4-8 weeks. Or just hold Barkley, add Darwin Thompson and lose your league.

 

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20 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

In auction leagues where he costs a lot, you might be able to get away with dropping him as long as no one else in your league can afford to pick him up. Clear some space and upgrade some other positions, and then circle back in a few weeks and scoop him back up. Risky but could work depending on your options.

 

The moment you drop him, someone is gonna scoop him up lol. You don't have the luxury of waiting, even with a big FA budget. I would literally bid 100% of my FA budget on just him, he is that good especially when playoffs roll around. Getting the number 1 player for all my budget. Sign me up any time.

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3 minutes ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

The moment you drop him, someone is gonna scoop him up lol. You don't have the luxury of waiting, even with a big FA budget.

 

does anyone play auction leagues where everyone has a tapped out budget? 

 

it's an outlier move in certain leagues that I think should be considered in rare cases.

 

I'm not advocating everyone go drop Barkley!

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Im already trying to throw him out for a 1v1, I can't afford to have him on the bench

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9 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

 

Not everybody plays standard leagues, or keeper/dynasty. Gotta win now.

 

Again risky move in AUCTION leagues, where your league has no salary cap room to add Barkley.

 

No one is going to drop expensive guys that are helping them win fantasy NOW, to pick up Barkley to sit on the bench until week 9-12 when they might be too late to even compete for winnings....(redraft of course).

 

Imagine you could pick up a WR2 and RB2 for Barkley to help your team win the next 4-8 weeks. Or just hold Barkley, add Darwin Thompson and lose your league.

 

I and just about everyone else in my league would spend 100% of my remaining FAAB to get Saquon Barkley for the playoffs. He is so good, that his trade value is still so high that you'd be a fool to drop him in just about any format. I mean you could definitely trade him to a 3-0 team and get two very good players in return likely. 

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3 minutes ago, dakimbell said:

I and just about everyone else in my league would spend 100% of my remaining FAAB to get Saquon Barkley for the playoffs. He is so good, that his trade value is still so high that you'd be a fool to drop him in just about any format. I mean you could definitely trade him to a 3-0 team and get two very good players in return likely. 

 

Not everyone plays in FAAB leagues.

 

Your trade comment is exactly my point. If you can do that, go for it. What's the difference between dropping him and adding 2 guys, vs. trading him for the same 2 guys?

 

14 minutes ago, WaiverLooter said:

 

The moment you drop him, someone is gonna scoop him up lol. You don't have the luxury of waiting, even with a big FA budget. I would literally bid 100% of my FA budget on just him, he is that good especially when playoffs roll around. Getting the number 1 player for all my budget. Sign me up any time.

 

Let me say it this way...

 

If you owned Barkley in redraft, and you could trade him for the likes of T. Hill (or Cooks, Woods, etc.) / P. Lindsay (or Gallman, C. Thompson, etc.) 2 for 1 package, would you do it?

 

Not a true life question (no bench coach here lol), hypothetical of course. But that is the kind of move I'm talking about.

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40 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

In auction leagues where he costs a lot, you might be able to get away with dropping him as long as no one else in your league can afford to pick him up. Clear some space and upgrade some other positions, and then circle back in a few weeks and scoop him back up. Risky but could work depending on your options.

In 99.9% of leagues, I think this is a terrible idea.

The .1 must be your league, if you think it could be viable to drop Saquon :) 

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Just now, Corleone said:

In 99.9% of leagues, I think this is a terrible idea.

The .1 must be your league, if you think it could be viable to drop Saquon :) 

 

This is true. It's probably a rare case. (custom leagues)

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Who in there right mind is going to drop Barkley...

Like wow, not going to entertain that idiotic comment

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26 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

 

Not everybody plays standard leagues, or keeper/dynasty. Gotta win now.

 

Again risky move in AUCTION leagues, where your league has no salary cap room to add Barkley.

 

No one is going to drop expensive guys that are helping them win fantasy NOW, to pick up Barkley to sit on the bench until week 9-12 when they might be too late to even compete for winnings....(redraft of course).

 

Imagine you could pick up a WR2 and RB2 for Barkley to help your team win the next 4-8 weeks. Or just hold Barkley, add Darwin Thompson and lose your league.

 

What? At the very least try trading him. Why would you gift someone like that?

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9 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

Not everyone plays in FAAB leagues.

 

Your trade comment is exactly my point. If you can do that, go for it. What's the difference between dropping him and adding 2 guys, vs. trading him for the same 2 guys?

 

 

Let me say it this way...

 

If you owned Barkley in redraft, and you could trade him for the likes of T. Hill (or Cooks, Woods, etc.) / P. Lindsay (or Gallman, C. Thompson, etc.) 2 for 1 package, would you do it?

 

Not a true life question (no bench coach here lol), hypothetical of course. But that is the kind of move I'm talking about.

you would be very lucky to get two guys off the waiver wire as good as the two guys you could receive for Barkley. 

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1 minute ago, CABLE87 said:

Who in there right mind is going to drop Barkley...

Like wow, not going to entertain that idiotic comment

 

you just did entertain it ;)

 

Just now, bhawks489 said:

What? At the very least try trading him. Why would you gift someone like that?

 

sorry all.......

 

@Corleone said it best, it's a rare case but maybe there's more than just me that plays in custom leagues out there 🤷‍♂️

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1 minute ago, dakimbell said:

you would be very lucky to get two guys off the waiver wire as good as the two guys you could receive for Barkley. 

 

agree! but those are the cases I'm talking about.....or again, a trade. Same difference.

 

I'll give a hypothetical example.

 

14 team auction league

can only buy players on waivers that you can afford (pre-set prices on all players)

no faab budget, only your salary cap

no one bid on B. Cooks in auction, he carries a price tag of $30. He's on waivers.

impatient owner dropped Lindsay, after week 2. Price tag of $20. He's on waivers.

you own Barkley at $50 and your salary cap is maxed.

You drop Barkley and add Cooks and Lindsay.

Someone else may or may not clear enough cap space ($50) to pick up Barkley and reap the benefits for a few weeks later in the season. Meanwhile, you are racking up points from Cooks and Lindsay for the next 4-8 weeks and make it into the playoffs and maybe win.

 

 

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For value, I just traded Ekeler for Barkley straight up.  I can wait.  The Barkley owner was 1-2, and had her RB on a by in week 4.  I think it was actually a pretty fair trade given the uncertainty of both players.  Even if Melvin comes back, Ekeler has RB2 value in PPR.  Get points now, or miss playoffs and have points later?? That was my point to them.

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3 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

you just did entertain it ;)

 

 

sorry all.......

 

@Corleone said it best, it's a rare case but maybe there's more than just me that plays in custom leagues out there 🤷‍♂️

For what it's worth, I'm in a custom league and have Saquon. It's an auction, 2QB, keeper league. I was able to get two Top 15-20 picks for Saquon in a trade today (Chubb/OBJ for Saquon/Kelce). Not stating that as any type of CSB, just to highlight that he still has significant trade value, even in a custom league setting. 

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1 minute ago, dlionsfan901 said:

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I can’t tell if a second opinion is good or bad.  I’m nervous either way.  

 

In this case it's probably an attempt to get a shorter timeline.

In most cases with athletes, they usually get a second opinion when they don't like the first opinion.  Like if they need to get season ending surgery or if they need to just rehab it.

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2 minutes ago, RustyMiller said:

 

In this case it's probably an attempt to get a shorter timeline.

In most cases with athletes, they usually get a second opinion when they don't like the first opinion.  Like if they need to get season ending surgery or if they need to just rehab it.

 

The timeline is dictated by the diagnosis. So they would be seeking a second opinion thinking their might be a different diagnosis(worse?). Why would they bother if all they're looking for is a doctor to tell them it's a regular sprain vs high ankle sprain. Neither requires surgery, just lots of rehab. 

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3 minutes ago, owenmills said:

 

The timeline is dictated by the diagnosis. So they would be seeking a second opinion thinking their might be a different diagnosis(worse?). Why would they bother if all they're looking for is a doctor to tell them it's a regular sprain vs high ankle sprain. Neither requires surgery, just lots of rehab. 

 

You have a point there.  Ugh.

I'll be crying in the corner now.

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14 minutes ago, RustyMiller said:

You have a point there.  Ugh.

I'll be crying in the corner now.

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I do think there's a good chance the original diagnosis is accurate. My point was just that I don't think they're doing this in hopes of a better news. Either worried about something or they're just doing their due diligence with their star RB making sure the first doctor didn't miss anything.

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Perhaps dictated by the team for planning purposes as well? E.g. if closer to 4 weeks let it ride with what's in house, if closer to 8 weeks be more active in the free agent/trade market?

Also, likely that the initial immediate diagnosis was done by a local/team specialist- second opinion could come from someone like Dr. Anderson who is considered the foremost ankle specialist, and is located in Charlotte- so no harm is going to the best to have him take a look.

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2 hours ago, CABLE87 said:

Im already trying to throw him out for a 1v1, I can't afford to have him on the bench

 

Speaking as a 2018 Leveon Bell owner that was "forced" to roster a dead spot in my lineup for 12ish weeks, yeah, it's probably better to just unload him while you can, unless you have super deep benches or you're already 3-0. Maybe an owner is foolishly optimistic and you can get something decent in return. 

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I own him 2/9 leagues both 12 teamers and personally im going to try to move him in both. One im 3-0 1st place with Ekeler/Ingram/Gurley the other is 2-1 with Kerryon/Lindsay/Breida so really hurting on the latter

I get why some people would say hold him if you're 3-0 esp if you're in a good position at RB. I just feel SB has such big name value that you can ship him out in a 2 for 1 and get a really strong player that could keep your momentum going for a title run. Theres always a couple owners looking to hit a home run with a move like this and im fine letting them swing. Now im not trying to trade him for garbage of course but I think it makes alot of sense to stick him out there with another solid player and see what other owners are thinking about the situation.

 

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