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9 hours ago, dschddny said:

 To the bench he goes?

Pretty sure I’m there.

Even in a 14 teamer.


There were warning signs even without the injury. Last year: Bad ypc outside of big plays and bad at the goal line. Add a dash of “this team sucks” and you’ve got yourself a bust of MonteeBallesque proportions.

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In the waiver thread, there's some saying you need to get Gallman because there's rumors they're going to shut Saquon down.  Are any of these suggestions coming from the Giants  themselves?  I've seen several jabronis writing words about it, but that's just their own opinion, right?

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1 minute ago, CooL said:

In the waiver thread, there's some saying you need to get Gallman because there's rumors they're going to shut Saquon down.  Are any of these suggestions coming from the Giants  themselves?  I've seen several jabronis writing words about it, but that's just their own opinion, right?

It may be their own opinion, but if he's not right from the injury--and I don't think he is--then it makes absolutely no sense to exacerbate that during a lost season. It's over. It makes perfect sense to shut him down and soon. Their speculation is like when someone is benched in a blowout. The blowout of this season for the Giants is into its fourth quarter.

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12 hours ago, Proteus said:

Pretty sure I’m there.

Even in a 14 teamer.


There were warning signs even without the injury. Last year: Bad ypc outside of big plays and bad at the goal line. Add a dash of “this team sucks” and you’ve got yourself a bust of MonteeBallesque proportions.

The team sucked last year too and he was the best RB in the league.  The difference is at QB - Eli knew how to pickup defenses and call audibles.  DJ simply doesn't do that at this point in his career.  I'm 100% avoiding Saquon next year.  But comparing the guy to Montee Ball is laughable.  

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26 minutes ago, IDGAFOS said:

The team sucked last year too and he was the best RB in the league.  The difference is at QB - Eli knew how to pickup defenses and call audibles.  DJ simply doesn't do that at this point in his career.  I'm 100% avoiding Saquon next year.  But comparing the guy to Montee Ball is laughable.  

 

Barkley has been garbage since Eli was benched.  Of course not being healthy hasn't helped.

 

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Gettleman gets another high pick this draft to select another "generational" talent or another 'special" player that everyone passed on to add to his collections 😂

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6 minutes ago, dashoe said:

Gettleman gets another high pick this draft to select another "generational" talent or another 'special" player that everyone passed on to add to his collections 😂

This comment makes no sense.

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8 minutes ago, dashoe said:

Gettleman gets another high pick this draft to select another "generational" talent or another 'special" player that everyone passed on to add to his collections 😂


That one team passed on? 

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11 minutes ago, afl5013 said:


That one team passed on? 

Daniel jones.. . . .

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14 minutes ago, IDGAFOS said:

This comment makes no sense.

 

The gettleman era made a decision to build around a rb and as an afterthought get a QB that many teams didnt want.

They are now 7-20 in less than 2yrs and projected to have a top 3 pick next draft it makes perfect sense 😂

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43 minutes ago, dashoe said:

Gettleman gets another high pick this draft to select another "generational" talent or another 'special" player that everyone passed on to add to his collections 😂

 

Well he drafted CMac, Barkley, Daniel Jones and Curtis Samuel recently, so his track record is pretty good.

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17 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

The gettleman era made a decision to build around a rb and as an afterthought get a QB that many teams didnt want.

They are now 7-20 in less than 2yrs and projected to have a top 3 pick next draft it makes perfect sense 😂

 

It's called rebuilding.  The only mistake was trading away OBJ. 

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Just now, joshua18 said:

 

Well he drafted CMac, Barkley, Daniel Jones and Curtis Samuel recently, so his track record is pretty good.

 

pretty good drafting rb's sure but the 7-20 record on the Giants says putting together a winning team today is pretty bad. 😂

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1 minute ago, joshua18 said:

 

It's called rebuilding.  The only mistake was trading away OBJ. 

 

 They have been "rebuilding" since Tom Coughlin  😂

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3 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Well he drafted CMac, Barkley, Daniel Jones and Curtis Samuel recently, so his track record is pretty good.

um what? Not to get TOO much in the weeds, but Gettleman has a VERY shaky track record at best.

You're using DJ and Samuels as evidence for a GOOD track record? 

We could argue about Jones, he's had ups and downs...although it's been mainly downs since he had 1 giant 2nd half against the Bucs prevent defense in a huge comeback. He's been pretty bad, and turning the ball over at a record-setting pace.

Curtis Samuel has yet to surpass 500 yards receiving in a season. He JUST went over 1,000 yards for his CAREER (in year 3). That's not exactly hitting on a first round pick. I don't think anyone would count him as a great draft pick.

CMC is a stud. Saquon is a great talent, but having a horrible year with no talent around him. That's the criticism with taking a RB #2 overall. You aren't criticizing the player, you're criticizing the VALUE at that pick. His prime is going to be over before the Giants have time to build an actual football team around him. Or you're going to be looking at at Leveon/Gordon/DJ situation where you have to either pay him WAY too much for a high mileage RB, or let him go.

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13 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Well he drafted CMac, Barkley, Daniel Jones and Curtis Samuel recently, so his track record is pretty good.

 

The big difference with his Panthers draft was that they already had an established QB, so spending a top 10 pick on a RB makes more sense.  I think @dashoe is making an argument about using a #2 overall pick on a RB without any plan of what's going on at QB.

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6 minutes ago, Hero202 said:

 

The big difference with his Panthers draft was that they already had an established QB, so spending a top 10 pick on a RB makes more sense.  I think @dashoe is making an argument about using a #2 overall pick on a RB without any plan of what's going on at QB.

 

Correct they had an established QB a decent o-line and defense to support a rb which if u look at their history they had productive rb's  previously in stewart+dangelo. The giants had other problems which included a failed o-line.  A 7-20 record is proof that Gettleman got it wrong. he wasnt wrong on talent evaluation but he was wrong in how he is building the team. The result is barkley is going to waste his prime and have significant wear and tear by the time the giants get it right.

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22 minutes ago, Hero202 said:

 

The big difference with his Panthers draft was that they already had an established QB, so spending a top 10 pick on a RB makes more sense.  I think @dashoe is making an argument about using a #2 overall pick on a RB without any plan of what's going on at QB.

 

The question is whether Barkley + Jones is a better long-term investment than Darnold + ??? RB (of course haters will cherry pick a late round RB that doesn't suck).

 

With how well Jones has played, I'd still rather have Barkley.  Again, the mistake was trading away OBJ. 

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31 minutes ago, UVA_Drew said:

um what? Not to get TOO much in the weeds, but Gettleman has a VERY shaky track record at best.

You're using DJ and Samuels as evidence for a GOOD track record? 

We could argue about Jones, he's had ups and downs...although it's been mainly downs since he had 1 giant 2nd half against the Bucs prevent defense in a huge comeback. He's been pretty bad, and turning the ball over at a record-setting pace.

Curtis Samuel has yet to surpass 500 yards receiving in a season. He JUST went over 1,000 yards for his CAREER (in year 3). That's not exactly hitting on a first round pick. I don't think anyone would count him as a great draft pick.

CMC is a stud. Saquon is a great talent, but having a horrible year with no talent around him. That's the criticism with taking a RB #2 overall. You aren't criticizing the player, you're criticizing the VALUE at that pick. His prime is going to be over before the Giants have time to build an actual football team around him. Or you're going to be looking at at Leveon/Gordon/DJ situation where you have to either pay him WAY too much for a high mileage RB, or let him go.

 

The value at the pick is determined by who you'd take over him at #2.  As Jerry West once said: "All draft picks have to become players".  The only feasible alternative with the long-term elite upside of Barkley at that pick was Darnold. 

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1 hour ago, dashoe said:

 

The gettleman era made a decision to build around a rb and as an afterthought get a QB that many teams didnt want.

They are now 7-20 in less than 2yrs and projected to have a top 3 pick next draft it makes perfect sense 😂

 

So they missed on Darnold to get Saquon.  A year later they draft a QB whose performing better than Darnold - and you somehow see that as a bad decision all because 'other teams didn't want him'?  Interesting.  

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3 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

The value at the pick is determined by who you'd take over him at #2.  As Jerry West once said: "All draft picks have to become players".  The only feasible alternative with the long-term elite upside of Barkley at that pick was Darnold. 

You said it, Darnold was the pick for them. They needed a QB.

And your logic is flawed...they didn't HAVE to take Saquon there, that's a loser's mentality.

Trade back and get Bradley Chubb plus a starting OL, trade back and take Quenton Nelson plus a starting DL or CB, trade back and take Daron Payne plus another starting corner piece. There were PLENTY of teams willing to trade up that year, Giants had holes at literally every position (and Gallman was decent for them the year prior)...taking a RB 2 overall was just bad.

It was bad at the time, and it has proven to be just as bad as these 2 years have played out.

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13 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

The value at the pick is determined by who you'd take over him at #2.  As Jerry West once said: "All draft picks have to become players".  The only feasible alternative with the long-term elite upside of Barkley at that pick was Darnold. 

 

So using that logic how do u explain the "feasible" alternative of taking Dahiel at 6 when he could have been taken at 17? 😁

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12 minutes ago, IDGAFOS said:

 

So they missed on Darnold to get Saquon.  A year later they draft a QB whose performing better than Darnold - and you somehow see that as a bad decision all because 'other teams didn't want him'?  Interesting.  

 

 I didnt know that they were forced to take either darnold or Barkley. Teams are not allowed to trade their high value picks for more picks? 😂

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What an absolute let down. Love the kids personality and spirit-- but he just looks flat. Ankle? Probably an issue still. Play calling? Dog****. But I can't stand looking at his stats in the 3rd quarter - 12/30/0

 

"Saving" his day with a 20 yard run? C'mon.

 

Have absolutely no confidence in him going forward, and that's scary.

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