James Conner 2019 Outlook

[PizzaBeerFF 716]

2 hours ago, 77georgec said:

Not going to sugarcoat it, Pitt offense as a whole looks like absolute trash. Ben looks old and disinterested and Conner looks like sh**. Hopefully you all backed up James with Samuels. 

Ummm you are fddd if Samuel is your back up. 

[77georgec 626]

1 minute ago, PizzaBeerFF said:

Ummm you are fddd if Samuel is your back up. 

What are you talking about?

[Born Sinner 191]

35 minutes ago, 77georgec said:

What are you talking about?

Snell is the next man up.

[vmo1059 516]

26 minutes ago, Born Sinner said:

Snell is the next man up.

 

Very debatable.

[CABLE87 1,749]

2 minutes ago, vmo1059 said:

 

Very debatable

 

I wouldn't doubt it, if you miss on Sammy grab snail

[vmo1059 516]

4 minutes ago, CABLE87 said:

 

I wouldn't doubt it, if you miss on Sammy grab snail

 

For sure. Samuels ownership % fairly high relative to Snell. 

[ap0calypse 124]

8 hours ago, Born Sinner said:

Snell is the next man up.

 

There is nothing to suggest Snell is the 2nd running back.  Somehow this has perpetuated itself into fantasy circles, and I'm not sure who started it.

Snell is always 3rd on the depth chart behind Samuel.

Snell had 0 snaps week 1, compared to 22 by Samuel.

Snap counts aren't out for week 2, but Samuel was certainly seeing more action.

[ludawg23 1,982]

All the fantasy outlets focused on Big Ben but not much news on this guy.

Looking like a minor knee sprain? Anyone thinks he misses time?

[PizzaBeerFF 716]

13 hours ago, yossarian said:

He has that look... like from planes, trains, automobiles movie.... those aren’t pillows!

[whoopsie 227]

1 hour ago, ap0calypse said:

 

There is nothing to suggest Snell is the 2nd running back.  Somehow this has perpetuated itself into fantasy circles, and I'm not sure who started it.

Snell is always 3rd on the depth chart behind Samuel.

Snell had 0 snaps week 1, compared to 22 by Samuel.

Snap counts aren't out for week 2, but Samuel was certainly seeing more action.

 

Snap counts are not a good way to figure out who Conner's backup is. You want to look for RBs with a similar skillset and that is Snell. Samuel will get more touches but he can't handle the same load that Conner could. I predict about a 50/50 share between Snell and Samuel if Conner is out unless Snell becomes more productive.

[Whitecloud0101 361]

Pretty sure jaylen balled last yr when Conner out and won some ships for folks...

but yea. It’s all plodder Bennie snells job who can’t catch a pass to save a life.

 

[pushaZ 1,374]

16 minutes ago, whoopsie said:

 

Snap counts are not a good way to figure out who Conner's backup is. You want to look for RBs with a similar skillset and that is Snell. Samuel will get more touches but he can't handle the same load that Conner could. I predict about a 50/50 share between Snell and Samuel if Conner is out unless Snell becomes more productive.

Actually snap counts are important

[ap0calypse 124]

21 minutes ago, whoopsie said:

 

Snap counts are not a good way to figure out who Conner's backup is. You want to look for RBs with a similar skillset and that is Snell. Samuel will get more touches but he can't handle the same load that Conner could. I predict about a 50/50 share between Snell and Samuel if Conner is out unless Snell becomes more productive.

 

Snap counts absolutely matter.  Samuels is bigger, much faster and catches balls (Snell does not).  Samuels was fully capable last year when Connor was out.  The only thing Snell has going for him is that he was a bellcow in the SEC, while Samuels played behind Hines at NC State but he was extremely efficient.  I'm not saying Snell won't have value, but based on all the information we have there is nothing pointing to him as "the guy" let alone the handcuff to own.

Edited September 16, 2019 by ap0calypse

[Edgeraid 217]

Conner's best runs came after Ben went out. Having Rudolph as the QB might not be the worst thing in the world. 

Either way, this offense looks terrible and I'm having early buyer's remorse on Conner. 

[oliminator123 3,448]

7 minutes ago, Edgeraid said:

Conner's best runs came after Ben went out. Having Rudolph as the QB might not be the worst thing in the world. 

Either way, this offense looks terrible and I'm having early buyer's remorse on Conner. 

Same. I have Conner paired with JuJu in one league and, needless to say, I'm 0-2. I don't get why the Steelers look this bad on offense. They lost 1 player - that's it. Seahawks D isn't bad this year, and Patriots D has looked top 5 through 2 games (granted one is Miami, but they absolutely destroyed Miami). Maybe not too much of a worry? Only worry being Conner potentially being out for a bit?

[PlayTheWaivers 1,886]

14 minutes ago, oliminator123 said:

Same. I have Conner paired with JuJu in one league and, needless to say, I'm 0-2. I don't get why the Steelers look this bad on offense. They lost 1 player - that's it. Seahawks D isn't bad this year, and Patriots D has looked top 5 through 2 games (granted one is Miami, but they absolutely destroyed Miami). Maybe not too much of a worry? Only worry being Conner potentially being out for a bit?

 

I'd easily debate there's a lot of mental issues going on as well as Tomlin has worn his welcome out. Ben has been one foot out the door for a while, and while he won't admit it, throwing to AB all those years was hella fun. Now, AB found his way to their rival, who kicked the s--- out of them. And- bell has been a elite player for them and he basically got shown the door as well. I know he had a contract offer. So, a lot of this can be plagued as mental issues too. Juju is still young and needs the stability of his team to reach wr1 status. But, this entire offense is looking like bust candidates of the year.

[eg4190 883]

The way this offense is looking, how could you feel comfortable starting Jaylen or Snell next week? Jaylen looked good at the end of last year, but it’s clear this is a different offense, one which can’t seem to stay on the field. Conner was completely bottled up two games in a row. Plenty of reason to think we see 18 attempts for 30 yards out of Jaylen even if he’s treated as the bellcow.

[bigbluecrew56 2,648]

8 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

The way this offense is looking, how could you feel comfortable starting Jaylen or Snell next week? Jaylen looked good at the end of last year, but it’s clear this is a different offense, one which can’t seem to stay on the field. Conner was completely bottled up two games in a row. Plenty of reason to think we see 18 attempts for 30 yards out of Jaylen even if he’s treated as the bellcow.

My hope is they scale down the offense and use that offensive line for what it's worth much like the Indy Colts have done with Brissett. Rudolph actually looks like a decent QB and can do just enough to get his run game going. I like the way Samuels runs with the ball and he's very capable of having big games. The goal for the Steelers should be going towards a power football team and using plenty of play action. The days of 5 WR sets and shot gunning all over the place are over. Steelers have been running a KC style of offense and it's been hindering the run game much like the Chiefs lack of success. They just run to keep the defenses honest with the outside shot of a huge gash play. 

Edited September 16, 2019 by bigbluecrew56

[Benjamin1984 563]

3 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

The way this offense is looking, how could you feel comfortable starting Jaylen or Snell next week? Jaylen looked good at the end of last year, but it’s clear this is a different offense, one which can’t seem to stay on the field. Conner was completely bottled up two games in a row. Plenty of reason to think we see 18 attempts for 30 yards out of Jaylen even if he’s treated as the bellcow.

I think it would be reasonable to think a lot of his value would be in the passing game. Low end RB2/flex radar I'm thinking.

[atdharris 288]

The larger concern is Pitt's offense in general, not so much Conner. No one is really performing as expected. You have to expect Samuels will be the back to own if Conner misses time. 

[bigbluecrew56 2,648]

4 minutes ago, atdharris said:

The larger concern is Pitt's offense in general, not so much Conner. No one is really performing as expected. You have to expect Samuels will be the back to own if Conner misses time. 

Samuels is the guy without question. Any Snell truthers who say other wise are just wish casting cause Snell is the only one available on the wire. 

[bigbluecrew56 2,648]

Once this team goes conservative and uses FB Nix in the power I it's a good chance this run game gets going. They have the pieces but the OC just needs to conform. They have a play action deep threat in Washington and all around guy in JuJu. This offensive line is too good not to lean on. 

[Windmill 32]

Ben is out for the year, so if his injury isn't that bad this might be good news for him?

[TrueToTheBlue 345]

Still strange that we’ve had absolutely no updates on the injury so far. The optimist in me wants to think that’s a good sign? That if it was something serious we would’ve heard more by now? I’m hopeful he doesn’t miss any time at all. 

[Magoo 1,508]

8 minutes ago, TrueToTheBlue said:

Still strange that we’ve had absolutely no updates on the injury so far. The optimist in me wants to think that’s a good sign? That if it was something serious we would’ve heard more by now? I’m hopeful he doesn’t miss any time at all. 

I saw a doc speculate  hyperextended knee but otherwise no news. Big Ben injury taking the headlines.