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Antonio Brown 2019 Outlook

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Recent developments in AB's employment status, along with the continued inability of some users to keep their comments within the site guidelines, have forced us to lock this thread yet again.  If circumstances warrant, we will reopen.

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14 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

There was no bolded part in your quote.  But I will try my best.  I think a person who wants to understand this situation will have to read between the lines.  I think Colbert is saying "send us a first rounder or don't bother."

And I don't believe the Steelers will get such an offer, because of the way Brown's acting and because of his extravagant contract demands.  Pretty clearly Brown wants to be the highest paid WR in the NFL and he wants his contract to be guaranteed.  What team is going to want to plunge in, given all that?

 

Fair enough, though I disagree. I think a few teams would take that plunge.

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16 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

There was no bolded part in your quote.  But I will try my best.  I think a person who wants to understand this situation will have to read between the lines.  I think Colbert is saying "send us a first rounder or don't bother."

And I don't believe the Steelers will get such an offer, because of the way Brown's acting and because of his extravagant contract demands.  Pretty clearly Brown wants to be the highest paid WR in the NFL and he wants his contract to be guaranteed.  What team is going to want to plunge in, given all that?

 

I mean the Raiders do have a ton of cap space and 4 picks inside the top 35.  Not to mention two first rounders next year.  And, regardless of his actions off the field, he will instantly make any team better.  I wouldn't be so sure they won't get an offer that is appealing.

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12 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

 

I mean the Raiders do have a ton of cap space and 4 picks inside the top 35.  Not to mention two first rounders next year.  And, regardless of his actions off the field, he will instantly make any team better.  I wouldn't be so sure they won't get an offer that is appealing.

For a rebuilding team moving to Vegas next season it makes zero sense to trade and extend a receiver like AB.

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6 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

I mean the Raiders do have a ton of cap space and 4 picks inside the top 35.  Not to mention two first rounders next year.  And, regardless of his actions off the field, he will instantly make any team better.  I wouldn't be so sure they won't get an offer that is appealing.

but with WRs like marcell ateman and seth roberts, the raiders' receiving corps is clearly stacked, plus jordy nelson will only be 34 in may.

there might be cap space, but there's simply no room for antonio brown with with high flying raiders like these guys. he'd be relegated to WR4.

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8 minutes ago, devaster said:

For a rebuilding team moving to Vegas next season it makes zero sense to trade and extend a receiver like AB.

Weren't they one of the oldest teams in the league last year?  And it is Mark Davis and Jon Gruden.  Gruden loves vets.  I wouldn't put anything past this team.

 

If "sense" is being held synonymous with this team, why trade away two of your best players who are 24 and 27 (was 26 for this past season though) years old?

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1 hour ago, devaster said:

For a rebuilding team moving to Vegas next season it makes zero sense to trade and extend a receiver like AB.

 

I think a  high profile signing is what a rebuilding team needs to sell lots of tickets and luxury suites to pay off their debt. if u cant win immediately then you better have some big name stars who can sell jerseys and seats. Also they are in Vegas, which isnt a football town so you have to give people a reason leave the casinos fora few hours

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21 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

I think a  high profile signing is what a rebuilding team needs to sell lots of tickets and luxury suites to pay off their debt. if u cant win immediately then you better have some big name stars who can sell jerseys and seats. Also they are in Vegas, which isnt a football town so you have to give people a reason leave the casinos fora few hours

Yeah I was gonna edit this into my post.  Who would sell more tickets?  AB or first or second year draft pick who potentially little of your fan base has heard of?

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If the Raiders were interested in selling more tickets they would not have traded Amari and Mack away.

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2 minutes ago, devaster said:

If the Raiders were interested in selling more tickets they would not have traded Amari and Mack away.

Right? It doesn't make sense to sign AB to a team in rebuild which those moves seem to indicate which is why I believe that brown will be a raider next year

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I saw a mock that had brown going to the packers. Any thoughts on that's landing spot? Seems like a decent team to join to win now

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2 hours ago, devaster said:

For a rebuilding team moving to Vegas next season it makes zero sense to trade and extend a receiver like AB.

 

46 minutes ago, devaster said:

If the Raiders were interested in selling more tickets they would not have traded Amari and Mack away.

 

These posts seem a bit contradicting.

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It’s a nice combination of a contender, a team that could afford him and a way of preserving most of his customary fantasy value.

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14 minutes ago, bhawks489 said:

I saw a mock that had brown going to the packers. Any thoughts on that's landing spot? Seems like a decent team to join to win now

Is this that CBS Sports mock?  They have two first round picks and still in a win-now mode with Rodgers.  Adams and Brown would be a pretty crazy duo, and Rodgers can certainly make two WRs completely fantasy relevant.  

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4 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

 

 

These posts seem a bit contradicting.

Hence, what the Raiders have been doing. But from what I've heard they wanted to tear the entire team down before the move to Vegas and rebuild there. I don't see them signing a veteran like AB.

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10 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

Is this that CBS Sports mock?  They have two first round picks and still in a win-now mode with Rodgers.  Adams and Brown would be a pretty crazy duo, and Rodgers can certainly make two WRs completely fantasy relevant.  

Yup, that's the one.

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49 minutes ago, bhawks489 said:

I saw a mock that had brown going to the packers. Any thoughts on that's landing spot? Seems like a decent team to join to win now

I doubt a team in a win-now mode would offer AB the guaranteed money that he is hoping for...just my view.

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1 hour ago, devaster said:

If the Raiders were interested in selling more tickets they would not have traded Amari and Mack away.

Because the current revenues of the raiders couldnt pay for  both mack and Amari on long term contracts. They are the only team in the NFL that are financing with loans. and you have to pay out the guaranteed signing bonus and put the guaranteed balance of a contract in escrow  So +$60MM for mack + 13mm 5th yr option on Amari and what it would cost to extend him.

i'm not sure that people  understand that the Raiders last year were in a significant deficit due  the $650mm loan for the new stadium + lease on oak stadium.

Why do people think they were trying to break the lease in oak?

They couldnt afford to sign mack after darnold reset the  market with his deal.

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Brown will be a Steeler or he won't play in 2019.

That said, Green Bay would be a poor landing spot.  There is only space in that locker room for Aaron Rodgers's giant ego.  

I think the Raiders are about the only realistic choice because none of their roster moves make any sense, so why not trade a 1st rounder for Antonio Brown, then sign him to a huge, guaranteed contract?  Oh, yeah.  Cash or lack thereof...

 

 

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3 minutes ago, psygolf said:

I doubt a team in a win-now mode would offer AB the guaranteed money that he is hoping for...just my view.

Right. A rebuilding team makes more sense.

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Is that sarcasm?  Brown is probably a "one-player-away" type signing, as opposed to a franchise building block.

That is, if an NFL GM wants one player to enter the locker room and comprehensively destroy it within weeks.

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2 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Brown will be a Steeler or he won't play in 2019.

That said, Green Bay would be a poor landing spot.  There is only space in that locker room for Aaron Rodgers's giant ego.  

I think the Raiders are about the only realistic choice because none of their roster moves make any sense, so why not trade a 1st rounder for Antonio Brown, then sign him to a huge, guaranteed contract?  Oh, yeah.  Cash or lack thereof...

 

 

I think he'll be moved by 11:30 pm ET on 4/25

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16 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Brown will be a Steeler or he won't play in 2019.

That said, Green Bay would be a poor landing spot.  There is only space in that locker room for Aaron Rodgers's giant ego.  

I think the Raiders are about the only realistic choice because none of their roster moves make any sense, so why not trade a 1st rounder for Antonio Brown, then sign him to a huge, guaranteed contract?  Oh, yeah.  Cash or lack thereof...

 

 

Packers or 49ers for a second. A 30+ year old receiver would never command a 1st. 

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50 minutes ago, phegotgame14 said:

Packers or 49ers for a second. A 30+ year old receiver would never command a 1st. 

If he were a couple years younger I think he would, but I generally agree with your 30+ argument. He might though if a team is in "win now" mode. Steelers will get at least a 2nd rounder in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, phegotgame14 said:

Packers or 49ers for a second. A 30+ year old receiver would never command a 1st. 

I'd be willing to bet that AB puts up better stats over the next 4 years than any wr that's drafted in the 1st rd this year.

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55 minutes ago, psygolf said:

I'd be willing to bet that AB puts up better stats over the next 4 years than any wr that's drafted in the 1st rd this year.

 

I think AB has the type of talent that makes a mediocre QB better and a great QB greater, so to think he will suck because he is 30yrs old is just silly. Statistically u don't see elite wr's production fall off until the age of 34/35 but how much of that is physical skills and how much of it is simply they are being phased out for young cheaper players is a mystery. NFL  teams have a younger is better mentality.

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