sSektor 2,192 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Spyplane said: If Brady was a "system" QB then all those teams over the last 20 years who haven't been able to find a QB would use the Patriots system. Its not all cheating, there's some x's and o's. System QB argument is for braindead casual fans that hate Brady for whatever reason. They somehow come to the conclusion that coaches would rather willingly lose than stoop to using the Pats offense. There's no honor in well-timed short-mid range throws to undersized receivers so other teams wouldn't use it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Truth_Returns 444 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Pats perspective: Brady should go. At this point in his career he needs everyone around him to win their individual matchup in order to find success. Needs the line to hold up, needs the receivers to win and create space. He has no willingness to throw 50/50 balls. For example, if DK Metcalf were on the Pats instead of Harry, I believe you could likely flip their statistics. Wilson gives guys a chance down field, Brady will not throw it unless you're open, partially because he does not throw good deep balls. With Bill Belichick the Patriots should contend for the Division every single year, with or without Tom Brady. For Brady to thrive they'd need to spend considerably to bolster the weapons around him. They'd be better off giving Stidham a shot, bolster the supporting cast, and worse case you see what you have in Stidham and know whether you need a future QB. Best case, they sleepwalk to another division title. Brady perspective: He's a tortured soul, because he's constantly left money on the table for the team to spend elsewhere. But this is how you win in the NFL, you can't have a QB eating 40% of the cap, and Brady knows this. But at the same time he probably feels he's not getting the respect and wants to prove he can win without Bill B. Aside from 1 season of Moss, he's shown little ability to make WR better outside the hashes. WR are really just chess pieces that highlight a weakness in the defense for the Patriots offense. Brady is the best at knowing pre-snap where to go. I don't see that translating with a new offense he needs to learn, so likely if he went anywhere it'd have to be a team LOADED offensively, and he'd have to really change his style to more of a risk taker. But the downside is becoming Philip Rivers. I also think he takes pride in being with the Patriots organization his entire career, and when it comes down to it he wants Bill and the organization to surround him with talent and pay him at the same time. Any resigning of Brady would likely come with some type of informal agreement to be buyers in free agency. Prediction: Brady re-signs for 2 years, the team signs Antonio Brown in the offseason, and trades for one of the Eagles Tight Ends. I just don't see Robert Kraft agreeing to let Tom Brady play anywhere else without a considerable fight. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FootballOutsider 50 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Brady wants that big money deal. He’s mad the Pats didn’t give it to him after a career of giving money back to the organization to help the team. Some of the Brady talk is posturing on his part, but there’s a chance his number and the Pats number don’t match up and he goes elsewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SharkSwimmer 4,812 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 $40 mil for an old QB who can't play anymore? I think BB will threaten to walk away if Kraft tries to force that through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Div1726 133 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 He's the 4th highest paid player in NFL history. If he plays next year he'll pass Peyton for 3rd; if he plays two more years he'll pass Eli for 2nd. They obviously got much bigger first contracts than he did being #1 overall picks versus a 6th rounder. I think he's done better financially than many of you think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sSektor 2,192 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Div1726 said: He's the 4th highest paid player in NFL history. If he plays next year he'll pass Peyton for 3rd; if he plays two more years he'll pass Eli for 2nd. They obviously got much bigger first contracts than he did being #1 overall picks versus a 6th rounder. I think he's done better financially than many of you think. I think the bigger issue is him taking less than he can but Bill basically never using it to buffer the offense with free agent talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SharkSwimmer 4,812 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 If Tom wants to help run the show, I don't think Bill is going to go for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,026 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said: $40 mil for an old QB who can't play anymore? I think BB will threaten to walk away if Kraft tries to force that through. 4 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said: If Tom wants to help run the show, I don't think Bill is going to go for that. If you say so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sSektor 2,192 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said: If Tom wants to help run the show, I don't think Bill is going to go for that. Bill benched arguably his best cornerback for missing curfew in a superbowl that Brady threw for 500+ yards and lost. He does whatever he wants no matter what it costs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apollo_87 362 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, cashvillesent said: I'm kinda hoping Brady moves on and gets exposed in a different team for who he truly is, and that is a system QB. ^ This is one of the reasons it doesn't make sense for Brady to ever leave New England. There's nothing to gain from leaving - you can't go from GOAT to GOAT-er. But if you go elsewhere when you're simply declining cause of age and don't perform well, the whole 'System QB' and 'dependent on Belichick' arguments start creeping back in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,462 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 hours ago, BMcP said: LOL at the thought of Brady agreeing to mentor a younger QB. exactly, he doesnt mentor them him competes against them and shows them they dont have a chance of taking the job away from him 😂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cashvillesent 395 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Spyplane said: If Brady was a "system" QB then all those teams over the last 20 years who haven't been able to find a QB would use the Patriots system. Its not all cheating, there's some x's and o's. Hes an okay QB. He's made a living throwing duck 15 yards intermediate passes. He has no zip on the ball and floats it like an air balloon. Edited January 7, 2020 by cashvillesent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SyNdicateZ 1,381 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, cashvillesent said: Hes an okay QB. He's made a living throwing duck 15 yards intermediate passes. He has no zip on the ball and floats it like an air balloon. Brady can def give the ball zip in tight spots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigBenTheSteelerMan 222 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, SyNdicateZ said: Brady can def give the ball zip in tight spots. He didn't watch Saturday's game🤣🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,026 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, SyNdicateZ said: Brady can def give the ball zip in tight spots. quoting that poster makes zero sense. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youngrice 1,303 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Div1726 said: He's the 4th highest paid player in NFL history. If he plays next year he'll pass Peyton for 3rd; if he plays two more years he'll pass Eli for 2nd. They obviously got much bigger first contracts than he did being #1 overall picks versus a 6th rounder. I think he's done better financially than many of you think. Nobody is saying he hasn't made alot of money. Its just he never had a pay me contract(wilson, rodgers, ryan). Always taking more team friendly contracts. On a per year average he is not even in top 10. For probably the best QB over the last 20 years that is taking far below market value. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sSektor 2,192 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, BigBenTheSteelerMan said: He didn't watch Saturday's game🤣🤣 Do we have confirmation he even watches more than a handful of Titans games every season? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SyNdicateZ 1,381 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Brady has been a dink and dunk passer his Whole career. He is the Master at the short and intermidiate passing game picking apart secondaries. He has never been a gun slinger like Brees or winston to name a couple gun slingers. The ONLY year I can remember him slinging it deep alot was when he had a WR that had some sort of legit talent and understood the offense and same page as Brady. That WR was Moss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cashvillesent 395 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SyNdicateZ said: Brady has been a dink and dunk passer his Whole career. He is the Master at the short and intermidiate passing game picking apart secondaries. He has never been a gun slinger like Brees or winston to name a couple gun slingers. The ONLY year I can remember him slinging it deep alot was when he had a WR that had some sort of legit talent and understood the offense and same page as Brady. That WR was Moss. Yeah and that was a decade ago. The guy is not really a gunslinger. You could argue Brady and Garoppolo are pretty much alike. Edited January 7, 2020 by cashvillesent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SyNdicateZ 1,381 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, cashvillesent said: Yeah and that was a decade ago. The guy is not really a gunslinger. You could argue Brady and Garoppolo are pretty much alike. I guarantee if Antonio Brown was on the team Brady would have actually threw a hell of alot more Deep bombs to Brown with a HIGH catch percentage . Even at his old age. Its all about the talent around him IMO but yea JimmyG does dink around alot like Brady. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Div1726 133 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 14 hours ago, youngrice said: Nobody is saying he hasn't made alot of money. Its just he never had a pay me contract(wilson, rodgers, ryan). Always taking more team friendly contracts. On a per year average he is not even in top 10. For probably the best QB over the last 20 years that is taking far below market value. If the goal from the start was for him to take a little less money so that the Patriots could build a great team around him for a really, really long period of time in NFL terms, then I can't imagine he has any regrets. Cohesive offensive line play and having receivers that can adjust routes under pressure has extended his earning years significantly. 17 straight 10+ win seasons. He'll be able to do whatever he wants post career as well. Luck got a "pay me" contract too and experienced the downside of going that route. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
youngrice 1,303 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Div1726 said: If the goal from the start was for him to take a little less money so that the Patriots could build a great team around him for a really, really long period of time in NFL terms, then I can't imagine he has any regrets. Cohesive offensive line play and having receivers that can adjust routes under pressure has extended his earning years significantly. 17 straight 10+ win seasons. He'll be able to do whatever he wants post career as well. Luck got a "pay me" contract too and experienced the downside of going that route. I highly doubt Brady has any regrets. Make over 200 mil, 6 superbowl wins, 3 mvp's and a supermodel wife that is worth over 400 mil. All amazing accomplishments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spyplane 1,581 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 20 hours ago, cashvillesent said: Hes an okay QB. He's made a living throwing duck 15 yards intermediate passes. He has no zip on the ball and floats it like an air balloon. Then what's stopping you from playing for the Patriots? Come on, I need a sleeper for my roster next year. We all do. We need you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dmb3684 4,644 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, cashvillesent said: Hes an okay QB. He's made a living throwing duck 15 yards intermediate passes. He has no zip on the ball and floats it like an air balloon. Whatever works. Why doesn't every QB just do that and be the GOAT? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThreadKiller 687 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, shakestreet said: quoting that poster makes zero sense. VERY well said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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