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2 minutes ago, midlip said:

he doesn't get Holds, though, so he's a pure ratio play which is tougher unless deep benches obviously

 

My league doesn’t count holds, but ratio MRs are still valuable. 

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Few guys worth adding/checking out:

-P Baez

-J Diekman

-G Gallegos (mentioned previously)

-E Pagan

Ill post some stats shortly 

 

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1 hour ago, Flyman75 said:

Jesse Chavez has been rollin’. 

 

just looked at his last 2 weeks and you are correct...IF martin struggles tonight, may add jesse in my 6x6 roto league

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JD Hammer is a guy to keep an eye on. Recent call up for the Phillies. He looked sharp in all 3 outings so far. Granted they were low leverage and a small sample size but I think he will be in for some hold opportunities soon.

 

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26 minutes ago, MoonyGray said:

Tommy. Kahnle. Love. Him. 

Thought he may have been a given but absolutely, yes! 

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Here’s the guys I mentioned above and their stats/rankings amongst qualified relievers:

Emilio Pagan

2nd in FIP (1.07), 11th in xFIP (2.36), 10th in SIERA (2.27), 8th in K-BB% (32%), 4th in SwStr% (19.2%), 10th in contact%(64.8%) and 6th in xWOBA! (.221)

Giovanni Gallegos

39th in FIP(3.02) but 13th in xFIP(2.45), and 6th in SIERA (2.04), 4th in k-bb%(34.8%), 14th in contact%(65.3%), 21st in SwStr% (16.1%) and 28th in xWOBA (.252)

Jake Diekman

14th in FIP (2.53), 44th xFIP(3.55), 42nd SIERA(3.29), 36th k-bb%(22.6%), 19th SwStr%(16.3%), 8th contact%(64%) and 51st xWOBA (.271)

Pedro Baez

23rd FIP (2.77), 107th xFIP (4.45), 79th SIERA(3.77), 75th k-bb%(17.3%), 37th in swstr%(14.6%), 66th contact%(72.2) and 10th xWOBA (.232)

BONUS! - Tommy Kahnle 

20th FIP (2.68), 9th xFIP (2.33), 11th SIERA(2.31), 13th k-bb(30.1%), 10th swstr(17.2%) 11th contact%(65%) and 8th xWOBA (.223)!

There you have it. 

Kahnle, Pagan and Gallegos NEED to be owned in leagues with holds.

Baez and Diekman present deeper options where many of the best relievers are already taken.

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Yusmeiro Petit of the As continues to produce strong ratios in a high volume role (further accentuating his ratio impact), but he, in contrast to 2017, isn't producing much strikeouts.

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16 hours ago, Csiebert5 said:

Here’s the guys I mentioned above and their stats/rankings amongst qualified relievers:

Emilio Pagan

2nd in FIP (1.07), 11th in xFIP (2.36), 10th in SIERA (2.27), 8th in K-BB% (32%), 4th in SwStr% (19.2%), 10th in contact%(64.8%) and 6th in xWOBA! (.221)

Giovanni Gallegos

39th in FIP(3.02) but 13th in xFIP(2.45), and 6th in SIERA (2.04), 4th in k-bb%(34.8%), 14th in contact%(65.3%), 21st in SwStr% (16.1%) and 28th in xWOBA (.252)

Jake Diekman

14th in FIP (2.53), 44th xFIP(3.55), 42nd SIERA(3.29), 36th k-bb%(22.6%), 19th SwStr%(16.3%), 8th contact%(64%) and 51st xWOBA (.271)

Pedro Baez

23rd FIP (2.77), 107th xFIP (4.45), 79th SIERA(3.77), 75th k-bb%(17.3%), 37th in swstr%(14.6%), 66th contact%(72.2) and 10th xWOBA (.232)

BONUS! - Tommy Kahnle 

20th FIP (2.68), 9th xFIP (2.33), 11th SIERA(2.31), 13th k-bb(30.1%), 10th swstr(17.2%) 11th contact%(65%) and 8th xWOBA (.223)!

There you have it. 

Kahnle, Pagan and Gallegos NEED to be owned in leagues with holds.

Baez and Diekman present deeper options where many of the best relievers are already taken.

 

Nicely done. Gallegos though has a lot of stiff competition for holds in that bullpen. The good thing is the starters don't go too deep into games but Gallegos only has 3 holds overall, and one in the last month.  I would consider Gant, Brebbia, Miller, Martinez and Hicks all ahead of him when the Cards have a lead at this moment.

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42 minutes ago, knuckleheads said:

 

Nicely done. Gallegos though has a lot of stiff competition for holds in that bullpen. The good thing is the starters don't go too deep into games but Gallegos only has 3 holds overall, and one in the last month.  I would consider Gant, Brebbia, Miller, Martinez and Hicks all ahead of him when the Cards have a lead at this moment.

This is correct, however hes slowly becoming more trusted by shildt. Got the hold the other day against the Cubs in a 1 run game. Threw a perfect 8th and struck out 2. Gant, Brebbia, Miller are all ahead in the pecking order however CMarts role is unclear at the moment, sort of a closer when Hicks isn’t available/long relief/set up guy. Definitely a lot of competition but I honestly see Gallegos getting more holds as he keeps up his performance.

Out of all of these options however, Gallegos was the only guy left on the waiver wire in my league until I grabbed him. I imagine that holds true for other competitive holds leagues. 

Also on a side note, Miller is turning it around since a poor start to the season. Since the beginning of May he ranks top 17 in k-bb%, xfip, and SIERA while sporting a 2.00 ERA, 1.00 whip and 2 holds

Keep in mind too, The Cardinals as a team don’t have too many holds/saves in the last month or so due to their struggles in May.

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5 minutes ago, Csiebert5 said:

This is correct, however hes slowly becoming more trusted by shildt. Got the hold the other day against the Cubs in a 1 run game. Threw a perfect 8th and struck out 2. Gant, Brebbia, Miller are all ahead in the pecking order however CMarts role is unclear at the moment, sort of a closer when Hicks isn’t available/long relief/set up guy. Definitely a lot of competition but I honestly see Gallegos getting more holds as he keeps up his performance.

Out of all of these options however, Gallegos was the only guy left on the waiver wire in my league until I grabbed him. I imagine that holds true for other competitive holds leagues. 

Also on a side note, Miller is turning it around since a poor start to the season. Since the beginning of May he ranks top 17 in k-bb%, xfip, and SIERA while sporting a 2.00 ERA, 1.00 whip and 2 holds

Keep in mind too, The Cardinals as a team don’t have too many holds/saves in the last month or so due to their struggles in May.

He's definitely pitching well and usually you might find three relievers max in any one bullpen to get you consistent holds so we'll have to see how it shakes out. The Cards just won four straight close games and he got one hold opportunity against a tough oponnent so maybe more will come or maybe it's going to be spread out if these guys keep pitching well. However, due to the high k and k/bb rates he's surely one to keep an eye on. 

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10 minutes ago, knuckleheads said:

He's definitely pitching well and usually you might find three relievers max in any one bullpen to get you consistent holds so we'll have to see how it shakes out. The Cards just won four straight close games and he got one hold opportunity against a tough oponnent so maybe more will come or maybe it's going to be spread out if these guys keep pitching well. However, due to the high k and k/bb rates he's surely one to keep an eye on. 

Definitely. And if he’s starts getting more holds, he’s a guy that needs to be rostered! He’s at 1% ownership on yahoo right now. 

Either way, he can help your ratios and strikeout categories if anything 

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What are people doing with Betances? More bad news coming today when he was too sore to throw a bp session on Friday. He's getting his shoulder examined again. I've been holding him with no thoughts of dropping but with a full dl and more bad news it's getting difficult. Anyone heard updates on his shoulder exam?

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Urias has 2 holds recently.  Is that a thing now?  I could use SP getting holds....

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Man I though I discovered a great SP/RP holds option with Liriano. But he gets crushed the only two times I have him in my lineup. [...]

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I’m looking at three guys that get some holds and are having good years that have that all too valuable SP, RP eligibility in Yahoo. 

Liam Hendricks

Cam Bedrosian 

Francisco Liriano

All old names but are are all having solid years with good ratios. Bedrosian has been used as an opener quite a bit, but has pitched well. They could be worth a look. 

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Minter has been recalled by the Braves. Could slide back into his late innings role with Newcomb starting on the weekend.

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On 6/10/2019 at 4:02 AM, hoops886 said:

Man I though I discovered a great SP/RP holds option with Liriano. But he gets crushed the only two times I have him in my lineup. [...]

 

That shouldn't have been surprising.  Liriano was once a great pitcher but hasn't been so for the last 10 years now...

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On 6/8/2019 at 5:12 PM, Mongeese said:

I’ve held him this long, but we’ll see what the doctor says on Monday.

 

Shut down for a couple weeks due to a lat strain which could end up making his possible return as late as the end of July or early August. Not worth my DL spot anymore. 

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On 6/9/2019 at 4:12 AM, Mongeese said:

I’ve held him this long, but we’ll see what the doctor says on Monday.

 

I was considering picking him up previously and stashing on the dl but even in the best of circumstances he sharing the bullpen with a bunch of guys doing quite well (6th through 9th) already.  If you are looking for holds or even a lot of innings with high Ks I just don't see it for this year as he has in the past.  And now this... 

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1 hour ago, knuckleheads said:

 

That shouldn't have been surprising.  Liriano was once a great pitcher but hasn't been so for the last 10 years now...

 

I had him for a few games in late May. He was pretty mediocre so I punted. The regression fairies caught up to him. Dude's control still meh. Maybe as a lefty specialist he can be good. I just don't trust him as a multi-out RP.

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7 minutes ago, papasmurf said:

 

I had him for a few games in late May. He was pretty mediocre so I punted. The regression fairies caught up to him. Dude's control still meh. Maybe as a lefty specialist he can be good. I just don't trust him as a multi-out RP.

 

Agreed, he can still be useful in the majors as a lefty specialist now.  Not useful to fantasy unless he's getting all the holds opportunities in that role (which is possible).  But once they get cute with his usage he's going to implode eventually.     

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22 minutes ago, papasmurf said:

Wheels really fell off Brennan. ERA up to 4.50. 
Good thing I punted already.

 

+ now news Strickland has suffered a setback of sorts. ugh. Their bullpen is an utter mess.

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