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If Paddack and Strahm both make the Padres starting rotation, Erlin becomes a great middle reliever option, as both these guys will likely be limited to 5-6 IP, but maybe with pitch counts, Erlin picks up some cheap wins

 

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7 hours ago, fawkes_mulder said:

 

Looked into oberg further, he got better as season went on, slider success, more Ks. 10.34 k/9 2nd half. I’m liking him more and more. The only negative is coors home field, but whatever. I think I gotta find a way to add him, just figuring the drop is tough.

 

is he better than joe kelly or tony Watson? I’m a massive believer in cy kelly and tony watson really good at limiting walks too...

 

i think i toss back watson if I have to make a swap. My other RPs are too good to consider dropping (Diego Castillo sp/rp, Edwin diaz, Kirby Yates, Alex colome)

 

Holds are difficult to predict depending on usage, but the "Wins" total for the Rox should provide more opportunities on pure numbers over the Giants. I'm with you on Kelly, think he should have plenty of usage.  I think Watson is also going to see plenty of work so I'd put it more as a toss-up between him and Oberg.  If Watson has any trade value, then that may be something to consider too such that you can get a little something for him and then grab Oberg.  Just my two cents.

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I haven’t seen him mentioned, but what are your feelings of Ty Buttrey?

Was a solid prospect for Red Sox and can miss bats and should be able to obtain decent ratios. I think he’s worth a flier. Should get solid usage out of the pen. 

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Richard Rodriguez, 69.1 IP 88 K 2.47 ERA 1.07 WHIP,  hm.....

 

Middle relief somewhere behind Felipe Rivero Vazquez.

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Last year Hader was the big breakout middle reliever. The year before it was Devenski. Who are candidates to be this year's big middle reliever?

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18 minutes ago, Ace_King said:

Last year Hader was the big breakout middle reliever. The year before it was Devenski. Who are candidates to be this year's big middle reliever?

 

If you’re looking for a guy like that, look for a converted starter.  Maybe Alex Reyes or one of the Braves prospects gets moved to the pen.  Tough to pinpoint anyone like Hader right now

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28 minutes ago, Ace_King said:

Last year Hader was the big breakout middle reliever. The year before it was Devenski. Who are candidates to be this year's big middle reliever?

 

I mean Devenski was good in 2017, but nothing like Hader last year.  Middle Relievers are all about the k/9 and deveneskis 11.2 wasn't close to haders 15.8.

 

As for young relievers I could see having a major breakout i think these guys making a huge leap this year, from most obvious to least.

 

Seranthony Dominguez

Jose Alvarado

Joe Jimenez

Diego Castillo

Tanner Scott

 

SP prospects that could end up in the bullpen and dominate if they did:

 

Alex Reyes(Gonna stay in the bullpen for a while, probably best bet to be Hader 2.0)

Julio Urias(Long term little chance he stays in the bullpen, but will probably dominate as a MR this year)

Luiz Gohara(could name a few more braves prospects, but I think Gohara is destined for the bullpen and will thrive once he's there)

Mitch Keller(Would be sad to see him end up in the bullpen, but may be the best path for him)

 

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Thanks. Why I like these multi-inning guys is their extra volume increases their ratio impact and obviously provides more strikeouts. Moreover, coming in during tied games gives them a chance for more wins. These guys are especially valuable in deeper leagues where your back end SPs won't be that good.

I do like Chad Green as a poor man's Hader. Adam Ottavio also had a great year last year, but was overshadowed by Hader. He is another name to watch. 

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 9:41 PM, Ace_King said:

Last year Hader was the big breakout middle reliever. The year before it was Devenski. Who are candidates to be this year's big middle reliever?

 

I've got Chad Green, Seranthony Dominguez, and Ryan Pressly as my candidates for that honor. All have elite swing and miss stuff with roles that will likely allow for multiple innings. They're also all in good teams who and have a chance to fall into some wins. 

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I'm all in on Taylor Rogers (RP - Min).  Lefty will likely be a specialist, which means an excellent chance at lots of HLDs and a potential vulture SV or two.  His second half in 2018 was absurd fire: 28.2 IP, 0.94 ERA, 0.66 WHIP, 35 K, 8 BB, 11 hits, .120 BAA.  Just disgusting.  He obviously won't maintain that over a full season but 60 IP, sub 2 ERA, sub 1 WHIP, 70+ Ks, 20+ HLDs is in reach.  Also he's practically free.

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There’s way too many nasty middle relievers nowadays it seems.

 

Back in the “day” (like a decade ago), it seemed like all the really good ratio guys were closers and there were, like, half a dozen elite middle relief options.

 

Now who isn’t pumping out elite ratios out of the bullpen?

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Who do you all consider to be the best SP eligible relievers? C Mart is the best but he likely will only be a reliever for part of the season. I can see Domingo German performing well in that role when not starting (K/9 near 12 as a RP last year). 

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Has anyone mentioned Nate Karns in this thread? Let's go deeeep....

He's in Baltimore now, expected to serve as a swing-man / fire-man, whatever you want to call him. He could be an opener, he could close out some games - the Orioles have all the freedom to screw around with whatever they want and not worry about wins and losses.

He's always had great K stuff, even last season in KC he put up 51K in 45.1 IP with a 4.17 ERA and 1.19 WHIP. The trouble has been staying healthy, so maybe a move to the pen is just what the doctor ordered. Plus, he should work into that SP/RP eligibility.

In spring he's pitched 9 IP against a high opponent quality (8.6) and picked up 9 Ks, 2BB, 3ER and a 1.22 WHIP. Could be worth your time in an AL-only. He's free.

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What exactly is Ottavino's role in NY or at least where is he in the hierarchy?  I am tempted to trade him for Chad Green because my team needs more innings volume w/ K's and not necessarily holds even though it's a category.

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I know this is maybe also a closer post but Adam Conley has profit either way.  Pumping 98 as a fireman role or as a closer.  

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2 hours ago, Squeeealer said:

What exactly is Ottavino's role in NY or at least where is he in the hierarchy?  I am tempted to trade him for Chad Green because my team needs more innings volume w/ K's and not necessarily holds even though it's a category.

 

Wasn't he brought in to essentially replace Robertson (i.e., be the third option behind Chapman and Betances)?

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Do we think Reyes stays in the pen all year? I drafted him with the hope of 70-80 dominant innings in a MR role. 

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Anyone like Jace Fry from the White Sox? Had good numbers last season along with good peripherals. Young, talented, and can probably be picked up off wires in 12-14 team leagues. 

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1 hour ago, sleepysock said:

Do we think Reyes stays in the pen all year? I drafted him with the hope of 70-80 dominant innings in a MR role. 

It might depend on who falters first - the starters or the closers. He'll take over to straighten things out, but I think everyone is leaning towards him joining the rotation mid-season. They also have Martinez to plug any holes at the back end, when healthy.

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6 hours ago, Magoo said:

I know this is maybe also a closer post but Adam Conley has profit either way.  Pumping 98 as a fireman role or as a closer.  

Another thumbs up here for Conley. Would definitely tout him here.

This is always one of my favorite threads on the RW Forums. I don't play in any league that doesn't use holds as a cat. Love the holds game watch.

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On 3/26/2019 at 9:26 AM, Ace_King said:

Who do you all consider to be the best SP eligible relievers? C Mart is the best but he likely will only be a reliever for part of the season. I can see Domingo German performing well in that role when not starting (K/9 near 12 as a RP last year). 

 

Lets begin our search today, Ace_King.

 

1) Carlos Martinez  (49% owned in Y!)

2) Josh James   (25% owned in Y!)

3) Junior Guerra   (1% owned in Y!)

4) 

 

Lets get that extra 70-100 IP of el primo rarios and maybe even stumble into the holy grail ... an SP/RP closer!!

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Very surprised to see anyone yet to mention this guy:

Hector Neris

He was absolutely DOMINANT in the second half of last year. Don’t believe me? Look at these numbers from the second half and where they rank among relievers with @ least 15 ip: 

2.04 ERA (30th) 

0.05 FIP (1st)

1.17 xFIP (1st)

1.14 SIERA (1st)

17.83 K/9 (2nd)

43.5 K-BB% (1st)

20.1 SwStr% (1st)

57.4 Contact% (2nd)

Now I completely understand this is a fairly small sample size at just 17.2 IP, but no one could come close to touching this guy in the second half. I owned him down the stretch and he racked up quality innings and tons of Ks with some saves as well. For those in holds leagues I would pick up ASAP, he’s only owned in 2% of yahoo leagues but I foresee that changing quickly if he picks up where he left off! He could even see some save chances if D-Rob falters early on. Go grab him!

 

 

 

 

 

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