octapuss 107 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I wonder how long it will take the fantasy ranker's to respond to his success. He is not highly ranked but that doesn't mean he hasn't figured something out......Im holding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare13 1,025 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I’m actually very interested based on what I’ve read on game day forum. For the record,I’m not trying to be difficult, although anyone that questions things on these forums might come across that way. I’m looking for clarification and information, not conflict. A few questions based on what I’m reading here. Maybe someone smarter than me can answer. 1) if Santana is such a great coach, why isn’t he working with more people? (Admitngly I know nothing about this.) 2) based on stats cast, his fb looks extremely mediocre. League average velocity and below average spin rate. If he doesn’t locate it, won’t it get crushed? Especially with what looks like a high walk rate. I get that guys can be stars with sub par fb, but don’t they have elite command and control? 3) If unlocking a 3rd pitch ( that only took 2.5 months) is so effective, why don’t more people do this? (This might seem stupid, but I just don’t get it) 4) I’m seeing Santana on this thread,but that can’t be true. What is a reasonable comp based on his improvement? 5) how the hell did professional talent scouts miss such a breakout,but everyone on the roto world forum seems to see it? And I mean that extremely respectfully and not in any offensive way at all. Wasnt he an absolute bargain basement signing? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Blazejowski 57 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Dude dealed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rrrich46 147 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Cesare13 said: 5) how the hell did professional talent scouts miss such a breakout,but everyone on the roto world forum seems to see it? And I mean that extremely respectfully and not in any offensive way at all. Wasnt he an absolute bargain basement signing? Pitching is complex. Part physics, part psychology, part sabremetrics, part plain old hard work. Many top prospects never put it all together, many less heralded pitchers do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Fenamo 420 Posted May 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, Cesare13 said: I’m actually very interested based on what I’ve read on game day forum. For the record,I’m not trying to be difficult, although anyone that questions things on these forums might come across that way. I’m looking for clarification and information, not conflict. A few questions based on what I’m reading here. Maybe someone smarter than me can answer. 1) if Santana is such a great coach, why isn’t he working with more people? (Admitngly I know nothing about this.) 2) based on stats cast, his fb looks extremely mediocre. League average velocity and below average spin rate. If he doesn’t locate it, won’t it get crushed? Especially with what looks like a high walk rate. I get that guys can be stars with sub par fb, but don’t they have elite command and control? 3) If unlocking a 3rd pitch ( that only took 2.5 months) is so effective, why don’t more people do this? (This might seem stupid, but I just don’t get it) 4) I’m seeing Santana on this thread,but that can’t be true. What is a reasonable comp based on his improvement? 5) how the hell did professional talent scouts miss such a breakout,but everyone on the roto world forum seems to see it? And I mean that extremely respectfully and not in any offensive way at all. Wasnt he an absolute bargain basement signing? 1) It wasn't Johan -- maybe a little bit. It was new Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson for mechanics, the front office, his agent for continuously advocating for him to develop a cutter and Jake Odorizzi for teaching him his cutter. 2) League average velocity for a lefty? His fastball velocity is fifteenth amongst all starters. Oh and he's a lefty if I didn't mention it. Maybe his cutter velocity is bleeding into your data. There's a 5 MPH difference between the two pitches which improves each's effectiveness. 3) All starters try to do this. The proverbial third pitch is the mountain every pitcher must climb towards effectiveness as a starter otherwise you will get eaten alive the third time through the order. It's extremely hard to develop a new good pitch. For Perez, he met a perfect teacher in Odorizzi because Odorizzi's cutter grip is very natural to Perez in that he can throw it the same way he throws his fastball but receive break. This also creates near identical motions and release points adding to effectiveness for both pitches. 4) Great question. I'm not sure. 5) The Twins didn't miss the potential breakout. Before he even signed with the Twins, Wes Johnson was explaining ways he can improve his mechanics despite not having a guarantee he was coming to the Twins. Wes Johnson is doing some amazing things to thus far. 7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silverdome_Loyal 84 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 And lastly - I believe I did read he was dealing late second half post all star break ... plz don’t quote me here but I’m not know to pass misguided info - hope everyone got some shares Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jvmillion83 112 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Was kind of pumped to win this guy on waivers this morning. 28 years old and former top prospect in Texas where he had flashes of being good but never consistently put it together and missed time due to TJ surgery. I'm buying though. I've been intrigued by this situation since February. He was brought over by Thad Levine who was the former GM of the Rangers. He never really had good coaching nor been in a great pitching environment. Fast forward to Minnesota in a much better pitching park with a pitching coach who has really turned around this entire pitching staff as a whole and getting mentored by Johan Santana helps out a lot too. In addition, ditching his slider for a cutter is doing him wonders. I know beating Toronto is nothing but he was excellent vs Houston and has been absolutely killing it in the last month. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cizastro 460 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 6:52 PM, octapuss said: He might be a gem of a find. Wasn't he a highly ranked prospect back in the day....maybe he took some time to find his groove. It was many years ago, but yes at one point a lot of scouts had him projected as one of the top lefties in the minors. He was brought up extremely young too. He has always had the talent, so I'm buying here and if I'm wrong I'm not out very much. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dod959 1,018 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 For the people who don't know what's going on with Perez: He was sitting in free agency. There was no 2nd half break out or anything. Minny needed a #5. Their pitching coach saw Perez and thought he could add velocity with a tweak in delivery so they signed him. They tweaked the delivery and it worked. Now his four seam and sinker are 95-97. But his four seam still gets hit and that usage has been trending down. The real difference was that he learned a cutter from Odorizzi. There are quotes from Odorizzi saying he literally changed Perez's hand position on the baseball and the first cutter he threw worked. So now he has velo + a cutter. Minny's pitching coach is really smart so the cutter usage is trending up. This has nothing to do with Johan lol. His most used pitch is now the cutter. It has a .199 xwoba which makes it basically one of the best pitches in baseball (among SPs). So this guy Perez might as well be a completely different human being from the guy that was a top prospect. The only thing you can hold up from the past evaluations is that he's still quite athletic and can maintain his new delivery, so that's a good sign for the future. The K's will not be huge though. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilsPhan90 179 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Placed on paternity list and won't pitch Saturday. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,120 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, PhilsPhan90 said: Placed on paternity list and won't pitch Saturday. Scheduled for Sunday and still expected to make that start 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mehtavg2000 247 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, PhilsPhan90 said: Placed on paternity list and won't pitch Saturday. But I think he's still supposed to pitch Sunday. Hooray for my opponent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare13 1,025 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 6 hours ago, mehtavg2000 said: But I think he's still supposed to pitch Sunday. Hooray for my opponent! Hooray for perezs opponent not changing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialFNK 1,477 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 why does yahoo have him pitching tonight's game in the 2nd game of the double header? yahoo doesn't list anything about him on paternity list, despite listing him as NA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
octapuss 107 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 He got lite up by Detroit. 7k's though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meh2 3,132 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, octapuss said: He got lite up by Detroit. 7k's though Pablo Lopez owners would like to have a word with you regarding your definition of lit up. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Baur10 2,085 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, octapuss said: He got lite up by Detroit. 7k's though "Lit up" is a bit of an exaggeration. Disappointing sure but 3 ER over 5, 1.2 whip and 7 K isn't exactly a week ruiner for a guy we all got for free. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,120 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, octapuss said: He got lite up by Detroit. 7k's though “Lite (sic) up”?! No. Give the man a break. He probably barely got any sleep last night - and he was on cruise control after the first inning or so. The Dixon homer should’ve been a called strike three. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HaloFanatic17 425 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, BMcP said: “Lite (sic) up”?! No. Give the man a break. He probably barely got any sleep last night - and he was on cruise control after the first inning or so. The Dixon homer should’ve been a called strike three. Exactly. Still got 7ks and although 3 runs wasn’t helpful he most likely was a bit sluggish just having a baby. I would gladly snatch him up in any league if a manager dropped him after today. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dark One 492 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, BMcP said: The Dixon homer should’ve been a called strike three. Dang - that would be an amazing play to listen to from the announcers. "It's going back, back, back - and it's called strike three!!!". 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,120 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dark One said: Dang - that would be an amazing play to listen to from the announcers. "It's going back, back, back - and it's called strike three!!!". Or just “Strike Three”! Ump blew the call because of too much movement from Astudillo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dark One 492 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, BMcP said: Or just “Strike Three”! Ump blew the call because of too much movement from Astudillo. LOL - I know, was just having some fun with the way you phrased it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fiveohnine 1,496 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I assume people are trying to sell this guy before he goes back to being Martin Perez. Right? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinoix 41 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said: I assume people are trying to sell this guy before he goes back to being Martin Perez. Right? With his new found cutter, I'm not so sure he goes back to Martin Perez. Other players are commenting on how effective the pitch has been, teammates and opponents. Quote he's allowed far less hard contact (33.0% this year compared to 41.4% last year) and an improved strikeout rate (22.8% compared to a 14.4% career rate). The new thing to hang our proverbial hat on is a cutter, a pitch Perezintroduced this year that he is throwing 34.8% of the time. This has led to an above average chase rate (33.6%) and career-high swinging strike rate (11.0%). On this cutter, opposing hitters have managed zero home runs, a .017 ISO, a 26.6% strikeout rate, and a .100 batting average I'm buying this guy until he proves me wrong. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinoix 41 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said: I assume people are trying to sell this guy before he goes back to being Martin Perez. Right? With his new found cutter, I'm not so sure he goes back to Martin Perez. Other players are commenting on how effective the pitch has been, teammates and opponents. Quote he's allowed far less hard contact (33.0% this year compared to 41.4% last year) and an improved strikeout rate (22.8% compared to a 14.4% career rate). The new thing to hang our proverbial hat on is a cutter, a pitch Perezintroduced this year that he is throwing 34.8% of the time. This has led to an above average chase rate (33.6%) and career-high swinging strike rate (11.0%). On this cutter, opposing hitters have managed zero home runs, a .017 ISO, a 26.6% strikeout rate, and a .100 batting average I'm buying this guy until he proves me wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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