Lamar Jackson 2019 Outlook

[BMcP 8,152]

37 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

 I think it's a bit of a moot point to say that the 2018 MVP and current SB MVP is the best in the league. Saying he is "far superior" to ALL other QB's a bit silly. Somehow I think Big ben, Brady,Brees,Rodgers and even Rivers would have done very well if you plugged them into the KC offense. 

Why do people seem to forget how talented this offense was for years across the board even when Alex Smith was the QB? 🤣

1.  What is a “bit of a moot point”?

2.  Why do people seem to forget how many different aspects Lamar brings to the game beyond just “pass the ball”?

[Chippa 1,335]

1 hour ago, dashoe said:

 

 I think it's a bit of a moot point to say that the 2018 MVP and current SB MVP is the best in the league. Saying he is "far superior" to ALL other QB's a bit silly. Somehow I think Big ben, Brady,Brees,Rodgers and even Rivers would have done very well if you plugged them into the KC offense. 

Why do people seem to forget how talented this offense was for years across the board even when Alex Smith was the QB? 🤣

Ladies and gentlemen, dashoe.

 

[Chippa 1,335]

25 minutes ago, BMcP said:

1.  What is a “bit of a moot point”?

2.  Why do people seem to forget how many different aspects Lamar brings to the game beyond just “pass the ball”?

I too admire your persistance of being team captain of the Lamar defense force

[BMcP 8,152]

6 minutes ago, Chippa said:

I too admire your persistance of being team captain of the Lamar defense force

Would you like to share why it is that Lamar requires any form of “defense”?

[Chippa 1,335]

Just now, BMcP said:

Would you like to share why it is that Lamar requires any form of “defense”?

you should be asking yourself that. I'm quite sleepy right now, as it is currently 11:14pm EST, so I shall bid you farewell m'lady

[BMcP 8,152]

5 minutes ago, Chippa said:

you should be asking yourself that. I'm quite sleepy right now, as it is currently 11:14pm EST, so I shall bid you farewell m'lady

Cool and the Gang, dude.

[m_cox22 241]

I didn't realize far superior meant having a worse completion percentage, worse rating, worse QBR, and 1000 yards less rushing. However, he did have more passing yards on 83 more attempts (one less game) and one less pick so maybe you all are hanging your hat on that?

 

You all seem to forget how mediocre he was this year. He peaked at the right time which is what you want but I'm still standing by him not being "far superior". 

[Deuce1042 104]

23 hours ago, Chippa said:

Mahomes is by far the best qb in the league. He is far superior to Jackson, and anyone else for that matter

 

Mahomes is not by far better than Russell Wilson stop. 

[Deuce1042 104]

Mahomes might be the only QB in the league who doesn't get questioned by a lot of people because of how often he throws to receivers who are wide the heck open. I mean, sometimes it's unbelievable how wide open KC's receivers are. There's rarely a tight window throw. I'm not saying you should question him because of that, it's just an observation. 

 

And someone asked me a question about Baltimore and RPOs. I don't have a statistical breakdown on how often they run them, that's just me watching their all 22. But you can even see on game highlights of theirs that you rarely see an RPO. That slant route to Hollywood for a TD against The Dolphins was an RPO though. 

[Chippa 1,335]

1 hour ago, Deuce1042 said:

 

Mahomes is not by far better than Russell Wilson stop. 

You know what, you’re not wrong there. I’ll give you that one. Wilson’s a stud

[1972Miamidolphins 1,363]

Get ready to be exposed Lamar, I will not be paying the 2020 adp price 

[dmb3684 4,644]

On 2/4/2020 at 8:39 PM, Deuce1042 said:

 

Mahomes is not by far better than Russell Wilson stop. 

 

I have Deshaun over both.

[dashoe 6,462]

On 2/4/2020 at 10:27 PM, Chippa said:

You know what, you’re not wrong there. I’ll give you that one. Wilson’s a stud

 

What limits Wilsons ability to put up gaudy passing stats is Petey boys slavish devotion to running the ball even when his defense is not up to the level of it's previous status.

i do think however that slavish devotion to running the ball and the willingness to physically sacrifice rb's yearly to a body punishing running attack will prolong Wilsons career so he will have HOF passing numbers over the length of his career comparable to  pass heavy QB's.  Wilson could probably beat Brady's record on longevity.

Edited February 8, 2020 by dashoe

[dmb3684 4,644]

36 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

What limits Wilsons ability to put up gaudy passing stats is Petey boys slavish devotion to running the ball even when his defense is not up to the level of it's previous status.

i do think however that slavish devotion to running the ball and the willingness to physically sacrifice rb's yearly to a body punishing running attack will prolong Wilsons career so he will have HOF passing numbers over the length of his career comparable to  pass heavy QB's.  Wilson could probably beat Brady's record on longevity.

 

Russ is probably a HOF lock already.

 

If Eli makes it and Russ doesn't, something is seriously wrong.

[ThreadKiller 690]

1 hour ago, dmb3684 said:

 

Russ is probably a HOF lock already.

 

If Eli makes it and Russ doesn't, something is seriously wrong.

 

Eli shouldn't be in the Hall. The entire HOF process is stupid.

[nmartinez12443 558]

Terrible Mechanics, No WR weapons besides Marquise Brown and I guess Andrews, plays steelers twice, will probably cost a top 30 pick, no thanks. 

[pushaZ 1,374]

9 hours ago, nmartinez12443 said:

Terrible Mechanics, No WR weapons besides Marquise Brown and I guess Andrews, plays steelers twice, will probably cost a top 30 pick, no thanks. 

He's easily a top 10 pick, and he broke the all time fantasy scoring record from any player all with broken mechanics and no WR help.

[Chippa 1,335]

9 minutes ago, pushaZ said:

He's easily a top 10 pick, and he broke the all time fantasy scoring record from any player all with broken mechanics and no WR help.

You go ahead and spend a top 10 pick on him. Mhmm.

[hockeyfan77 680]

I cant pick him in the first round, really think you need an RB in the 1st, maybe 3rd round...I'm guessing he won't be on a lot of my teams

[lolcopter 7,806]

16 hours ago, ThreadKiller said:

 

Eli shouldn't be in the Hall. The entire HOF process is stupid.

objectively wrong, someone is still butthurt about those super bowls

[Impreza178 6,046]

On 2/9/2020 at 1:44 AM, pushaZ said:

He's easily a top 10 pick, and he broke the all time fantasy scoring record from any player all with broken mechanics and no WR help.

hard pass on Lamar in the first.   But I get it.  Someone in about every league will do it.    
 

 

[Impreza178 6,046]

On 2/9/2020 at 8:07 AM, lolcopter said:

objectively wrong, someone is still butthurt about those super bowls

#7 all time passing yards 

#7 all time passing TDs 

2 rings 

 

eli is a shoe-in

[sSektor 2,211]

2 hours ago, Impreza178 said:

hard pass on Lamar in the first.   But I get it.  Someone in about every league will do it.    
 

 

 

This. The only way I would feel comfortable drafting him in the first in normal 1QB .5ppr leagues is:

1 - I expect him to put up similar numbers

2 - I don't expect the league to adjust as they often do

3 - I expect him to play a full 16 games again rushing as much as he does

[youngrice 1,303]

6 hours ago, sSektor said:

 

This. The only way I would feel comfortable drafting him in the first in normal 1QB .5ppr leagues is:

1 - I expect him to put up similar numbers

2 - I don't expect the league to adjust as they often do

3 - I expect him to play a full 16 games again rushing as much as he does

Hell if somebody thinks all three of those things will happen he should be a top 3 pick.  

[BMcP 8,152]

7 minutes ago, youngrice said:

Hell if somebody thinks all three of those things will happen he should be a top 3 pick.  

I don’t see how Nos. 2 and 3 couldn’t just be subsumed into No. 1.