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David Montgomery 2019 Outlook

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18 minutes ago, JSA2422 said:

 

for real - the one stretch that Nagy got playcalling in KC he gave Hunt 25 touches almost 5 weeks straight 

And then flubbed the wildcard game against tennesse

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1 hour ago, ajs723 said:

Jordan Howard burned a lot of people last year. Instead of admitting he's not very good, they blame Nagy. 

It'd be great if you actually watched games before commenting on them. Howard cleared 1300 rushing yards as a rookie, and Nagy decided to do his best impression of Mike McCoy, sell run, and run dives whenever he put Howard on the field. Claiming that "Nagy has been great for RBs" invalidates any credibility you have pretty quickly.

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3 minutes ago, bhawks489 said:

And then flubbed the wildcard game against tennesse

 

what can a mere mortal do versus the god that is derrick henry 

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3 minutes ago, pdog109 said:

 

I can admit Jordan Howard isn't very good but I still retain my hatred for Nagy regardless.

Howard was used terribly, and ridiculously talked up via coachspeak preseason.  He'd produced in his 2 previous seasons, and many of us got burned because we thought said coachspeak could only lead to greater heights.

We were wrong, and we paid for it.  Thus, we're reasonably bitter towards Nagy and wary of any bs he spouts before the season starts.  For another example, see: Burton, Trey.

The coachspeak coming out of Chicago regarding Montgomery is the same as that about Howard last year.

That being said, I just got him for $17/$200 in auction, then added Jacobs for 21/200, and one of them should provide a solid RB2.

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6 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

It'd be great if you actually watched games before commenting on them. Howard cleared 1300 rushing yards as a rookie, and Nagy decided to do his best impression of Mike McCoy, sell run, and run dives whenever he put Howard on the field. Claiming that "Nagy has been great for RBs" invalidates any credibility you have pretty quickly.

 

I watched 2 Bears games last year. From what I saw it was fairly predictable what they were doing based on what RB they had in at the time. Montgomery should provide some flexibility in playcalling.

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5 hours ago, sjm76 said:

I was going to start him until I saw that he is listed at #3 on the initial depth chart behind Tarik Cohen (starter) 

 

Welp, I guess this is it.  Might as well pencil in Cohen for 20 carries and bench Montgomery.

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I’d guess Mike Davis is a “must own” RB2 for Montgomery owners as a handcuff.?🤔

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17 minutes ago, mjb said:

I’d guess Mike Davis is a “must own” RB2 for Montgomery owners as a handcuff.?🤔

 

Don't trust Nagy. He says Cohen did too much last year. What a liar. He wants to use more Cohen. If Nagy tells you grass is green and sky is blue you know he is BSing you, I can't stand him.

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"Don't believe his lies." - Memento

Nagy said Jordan Howard would be used more on 3rd downs last year.

That turned out to be a devastating lie. 

Who knows what the distribution of carries is going to look like, but it certainly doesn't look like Montgomery will be a bellcow, at least early on.

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Utterly comical that someone would discount the value of Montgomery over some nonexistent triviality like Tarik Cohen being listed atop the depth chart. This isn't rocket science here. Sorry for stating the obvious, but Tarik is special teams dynamo and passing catching specialist out of the backfield that is fit for a complementary, third-down role. The coaches themselves admitted that he was completely overworked last season and that they needed to scale back his touches - his undersized profile is not meant for heavy, repetitive punishment. Mike Davis will siphon away some carries, but he's not that much of a challenger - at all. His talent is incomparable.

Montgomery legit checks off all the boxes of what you want in a feature back. He possesses the tools - both physical and intangible- to excel in a three-down role. He has the physical build, the electrifying talent, power, elusiveness, pass catching ability, etc. In reference to last year, Jordan Howard was an uninspiring talent with a one-dimensional skill set that didn't fit Nagy's scheme; nevertheless, despite his glaring inefficiency, he still handed a massive workload... If Montgomery is handed anything like that, which there's plenty of reason to believe (through draft capital, coach speak, preseason developments), he will be one of the biggest steals of the draft at his current ADP.

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26 minutes ago, J Boogie said:

Utterly comical that someone would discount the value of Montgomery over some nonexistent triviality like Tarik Cohen being listed atop the depth chart. This isn't rocket science here. Sorry for stating the obvious, but Tarik is special teams dynamo and passing catching specialist out of the backfield that is fit for a complementary, third-down role. The coaches themselves admitted that he was completely overworked last season and that they needed to scale back his touches - his undersized profile is not meant for heavy, repetitive punishment. Mike Davis will siphon away some carries, but he's not that much of a challenger - at all. His talent is incomparable.

Montgomery legit checks off all the boxes of what you want in a feature back. He possesses the tools - both physical and intangible- to excel in a three-down role. He has the physical build, the electrifying talent, power, elusiveness, pass catching ability, etc. In reference to last year, Jordan Howard was an uninspiring talent with a one-dimensional skill set that didn't fit Nagy's scheme; nevertheless, despite his glaring inefficiency, he still handed a massive workload... If Montgomery is handed anything like that, which there's plenty of reason to believe (through draft capital, coach speak, preseason developments), he will be one of the biggest steals of the draft at his current ADP.

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

Nagy can't see clouds in the sky when it rains because the drops are hitting off his dumb bald head but he chooses to wear a visor instead of a hat.

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I looked around, this is all I could find to support the notion that Montgomery's usage may be limited early on.

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"And while third-year pro Tarik Cohen, a 5-foot-6, 181-pound blur who rushed 99 times for 444 yards and three touchdowns a year ago (while also catching 71 passes for 725 yards and five touchdowns) is expected to open the season as the Bears’ lead back, there’s little doubt about how hard Montgomery has worked to prepare himself for the opportunity for carries that Howard’s void creates." https://sports.yahoo.com/why-the-bears-are-pinching-ourselves-over-rookie-rb-david-montgomery-000423986.html

 

 

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Thursday we get a glimpse of what this kid can do and how Chicago plans to use him. Hoping to hit the 15 carry mark with 3 or more receptions. Please don't buy whatever source is predicting Cohen is atop the depth chart. He could possibly "start" when Chicago comes out in one of Nagy's weird formations but he won't lead the team in carries week 1.  I love Cohen but he's not someone who can carry the load. Anyone who says he can is either delusional or trolling.  

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From what I understand, depth charts are distributed by the PR team.

I can't wait to talk about how impressive Montgomery's performance as the #3 is all year.

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Are people really sitting him bc he is listed at the #3 RB on the CBS website lol? You likely spent anywhere between a 3rd-5th rounder on him. I guess I can see in a little 8 man league. But in a 12+ team league I don’t see how you can sit him. This forum always amazes me.

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2 minutes ago, Bob69024 said:

Are people really sitting him bc he is listed at the #3 RB on the CBS website lol? You likely spent anywhere between a 3rd-5th rounder on him. I guess I can see in a little 8 man league. But in a 12+ team league I don’t see how you can sit him. This forum always amazes me.

I would consider benching him week 1 if I had a better option, which I’m sure most people don’t. Just to see how it plays out, I will be starting him however. 15 carries 3-5 catches is what I’m hoping for. That’ll be a good sign of things to come, 8-10 carries will make me nervous. 

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4 minutes ago, Ryansm11 said:

I would consider benching him week 1 if I had a better option, which I’m sure most people don’t. Just to see how it plays out, I will be starting him however. 15 carries 3-5 catches is what I’m hoping for. That’ll be a good sign of things to come, 8-10 carries will make me nervous. 

12-15 carries seems about right. Cohen will see plenty of snaps but is unlikely to handle more than 5-7 rushes even as the starter. That will likely leave about 20(ish) carries for Montgomery and Davis to split. Hard to envision Montgomery does not see at least half of those. 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Bob69024 said:

Are people really sitting him bc he is listed at the #3 RB on the CBS website lol? You likely spent anywhere between a 3rd-5th rounder on him. I guess I can see in a little 8 man league. But in a 12+ team league I don’t see how you can sit him. This forum always amazes me.

Davis is more of the concern here. The kid has huge upside, but fantasy football is oftentimes about volume. That’s why Raiders rookie RB, with clear path to touches, is viewed as a “safer” play. I think Davis is a good insurance policy.

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1 minute ago, mjb said:

Davis is more of the concern here. The kid has huge upside, but fantasy football is oftentimes about volume. That’s why Raiders rookie RB, with clear path to touches, is viewed as a “safer” play. I think Davis is a good insurance policy.

Jalen Richard is a better RB than Mike Davis and I am not sure it is close. But the perception with OAK is that Jacobs is assured massive volume. Why? Because the coaching staff said so; because he was drafted in the first round? Are we to believe Gruden's coach-speak but discount Nagy's? 

 

You can say what you want about Nagy but he was not one to spread around touches. Howard-- who did not fit Nagy's system and averaged a paltry 3.7 YPA-- had 250 carries while Cohen had 99 carries. The next closest were the two QBs (Mitch 68 and Chase 13) and then followed by Cunningham with...11. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, mjb said:

Davis is more of the concern here. The kid has huge upside, but fantasy football is oftentimes about volume. That’s why Raiders rookie RB, with clear path to touches, is viewed as a “safer” play. I think Davis is a good insurance policy.

I'm going with Jacobs over Monty this week.

Got burned by Nagy and his refusal to run Howard on 3rd and 1 from the 5 last year (and it cost Chicago the game, though he didn't seem to learn from it).

Has nothing to do with CBS depth chart, I just want to see how Monty is used first. I think Jacobs should get 15-20 touches vs Denver, so seems to me a safer bet out of the gate

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1 minute ago, SadFaceHappy said:

I'm going with Jacobs over Monty this week.

Got burned by Nagy and his refusal to run Howard on 3rd and 1 from the 5 last year (and it cost Chicago the game, though he didn't seem to learn from it).

Has nothing to do with CBS depth chart, I just want to see how Monty is used first. I think Jacobs should get 15-20 touches vs Denver, so seems to me a safer bet out of the gate

15-20 touches for 20 yards against that Denver defense lol

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10 hours ago, GriffeySwag said:

"Don't believe his lies." - Memento

Nagy said Jordan Howard would be used more on 3rd downs last year.

That turned out to be a devastating lie. 

Who knows what the distribution of carries is going to look like, but it certainly doesn't look like Montgomery will be a bellcow, at least early on.

I feel like this narrative has been debunked 100 times in this thread already.  Nagy WANTED to use Jordan Howard as a three down back.  He force fed him targets the first few weeks, and once Howard proved incapable, then he started using Cohen as the 3rd down/pass catcher RB.  If Jordan Howard could have mad some hay with the targets he got weeks 1-3, I guarantee Nagy would have kept using him that way.  But Howard couldn't deliver in that role, so Nagy had to separate the 2 backs and pigeon hole them into respective roles.  With limited draft capital this year, he moved UP and got a guy very similar to the RB he had success with in KC.  An RB who can actually catch and run, a true 3 down back.  Not someone like Jordan Howard who they pretended could be a 3 down guy but was ineffective.  

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1 hour ago, Ryansm11 said:

15-20 touches for 20 yards against that Denver defense lol

 

Denver's D last season was actually middle of the pack against the run.

 

That said, I am still scared to start Monty tomorrow night. I have no concerns regarding his value over the course of the season, but early on Chicago could ease him in. I have him as a FLEX player in my keeper league and may consider other options.

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