FitzMagic 2,813 Posted October 20, 2019 GRONKOWSKI left Ertz out of his Top 5 TEs and he said because he loves big tight ends. Isn’t Ertz about the same size as most that were in top 5? Hooper, Andrews, Henry, Kelce, and Kittle. Was Gronk actually talking about football or his preference in women? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryansm11 1,169 Posted October 21, 2019 This dude is getting frustrating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richiec26 8 Posted October 21, 2019 Like I said.... big fat BUST. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryansm11 1,169 Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, richiec26 said: Like I said.... big fat BUST. Yeah his one hurts, I just needed a decent game from him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squidward 150 Posted October 21, 2019 Ertz is no longer an autostart. After watching the game last night, it left me wondering. Are they planning on trading Ertz or something? It’s clear they are involving Dallas more and more, and Ertz is becoming much less of a factor. What are your thoughts?  For now, Ertz will stay on my bench unless something changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 Just traded for him, this guy has the targets. With this kinda volume in this kinda dumpsterfire of a TE pool, you're a fool if you bench this guy. I'm not saying i like what I see, but hey, I have started Noah Fant as well. Â Â 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squidward 150 Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, the holy one said: Just traded for him, this guy has the targets. With this kinda volume in this kinda dumpsterfire of a TE pool, you're a fool if you bench this guy. I'm not saying i like what I see, but hey, I have started Noah Fant as well.    Agree that the TE position is such trash, but Zach Ertz isn’t what he once was. They are involving the other TE so much more now, plus lots of other receiving options. Of course, you can start him easily but I don’t think he’s an auto start anymore. More of a matchup type. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited)  3 minutes ago, Squidward said:  Agree that the TE position is such trash, but Zach Ertz isn’t what he once was. They are involving the other TE so much more now, plus lots of other receiving options. Of course, you can start him easily but I don’t think he’s an auto start anymore. More of a matchup type.  I agree on the situation, but i'm not agreeing you can only play matchups with him. If he catches 50% of his targets you have a decent floor, right?  I tried the matchup strategy as well, with Noah Fant against one of the worst defenses, which backfired (1 pt - 1 target). It doesn't make sense to play these garbage TE's matchup based, they just need the volume and this guy has it.  Edited October 21, 2019 by the holy one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gbill2004 989 Posted October 21, 2019 He's not getting the same volume as last year but he's still, at worst, a top 6 TE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, gbill2004 said: He's not getting the same volume as last year but he's still, at worst, a top 6 TE.  Last year he had remarkable stats, but let's compare. The numbers:  - Volume. He has received a total of 59 targets so far, he is on pace for 143 targets. Last year he received 156 targets, so i guess you're right but he is still heading for his second best season (targetwise). - Catch rate. He caught 116 (75%) of his targets last year. This year he is catching 60% of his targets, so far. He is on pace for 85 catches with this rate. - Yards per Catch. He had an average of 10 yards per receptation last year. So far, that number is up to 11,5 yards per reception this year. Extrapolated, that would mean 977 yards this season. Last year he had 1163 yards. Just a difference of 20 points, fantasy wise. - TD per game rate. He averaged slightly below 50% last year, this year it's abysmal with just 1 TD so far. Huge difference. ___  I agree he is regressing based on his superb year of 2018, but volume is not the biggest issue here.  🙂     Edited October 21, 2019 by the holy one 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,698 Posted October 21, 2019 In 1 point PPR, these are his weekly ranks; Week 7 is unofficial as there's still MNF to be played tonight... Beyond ranks, his two best games of the season were: --8-72-0 and a 2-point conversion --5-57-1 He's #9 in PPG amongst TE's (including Henry, who has only played 3 games, and also including Dissly who is out for the rest of the season). Ertz is also behind Greg Olsen in formats that are not a full point for PPR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daethfromabove1979 658 Posted October 21, 2019 Even in garbage time he barely does anything. He would kill it in garbage time last year. Pretty disappointed how involved Dallas Goedert is, he even fumbled the ball (was very costly)Â and was still more involved than Ertz after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,698 Posted October 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, the holy one said:  Last year he had remarkable stats, but let's compare. The numbers:  - Volume. He has received a total of 59 targets so far, he is on pace for 143 targets. Last year he received 156 targets, so i guess you're right but he is still heading for his second best season (targetwise). - Catch rate. He caught 116 (75%) of his targets last year. This year he is catching 60% of his targets, so far. He is on pace for 85 catches with this rate. - Yards per Catch. He had an average of 10 yards per receptation last year. So far, that number is up to 11,5 yards per reception this year. Extrapolated, that would mean 977 yards this season. Last year he had 1163 yards. Just a difference of 20 points, fantasy wise. - TD per game rate. He averaged slightly below 50% last year, this year it's abysmal with just 1 TD so far. Huge difference. ___  I agree he is regressing based on his superb year of 2018, but volume is not the biggest issue here.  🙂  Agreed with your overall points, though minor updates to the numbers listed... TD per game rate: Ertz was right at 50% last year, with 8 TD's in 16 games. Volume: With 59 targets in 7 games, that's an average of 8.43 targets per game. Over 16 games, that projects to 135 targets (versus 143). With that said, I agree with you that he is still on his way to a high target season. 135 is right in line with what I had come up with over the summer: On 7/30/2019 at 11:30 AM, Corleone said: Let's say in 2019, his targets drop to 8.3 per game. Less than 2018 but more than 2017 is not unreasonable IMO. If Ertz plays 16 games (and of course for any player we draft highly, we're hoping for 16 games), that would give him 133 targets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) @Corleone, you are right, i didn't account for the bye and calculated/compared to 17 games 🙂. The overall point still stands obviously, he gets the targets. Edited October 21, 2019 by the holy one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,698 Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, the holy one said: @Corleone, I have extrapolated the numbers for an entire NFL season, that's 17 games. Also compared with 17 games of last year! Â Umm....each team plays 16 games in an NFL season. There are 17 weeks and every team has a bye week, for 16 games for every team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,698 Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, the holy one said: @Corleone, I have extrapolated the numbers for an entire NFL season, that's 17 games. Also compared with 17 games of last year! Â Just now, Corleone said: Â Umm....each team plays 16 games in an NFL season. There are 17 weeks and every team has a bye week, for 16 games for every team. As you didn't understand how many games each team plays in an NFL season, I just went back and see that your yards number is thus off as well... Ertz is on pace for 923 yards this season (not 977). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Corleone said:  Umm....each team plays 16 games in an NFL season. There are 17 weeks and every team has a bye week, for 16 games for every team.  You were quicker to respond than I was able to edit, you are right . 🙂 Editing my post as well. Edited October 21, 2019 by the holy one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the holy one 147 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Was not able to edit my post anymore, but based on 16 games: -Volume. He has received a total of 59 targets so far, he is on pace for 135 targets. Last year he received 156 targets, so i guess you're right but he is still heading for his second best season (targetwise). - Catch rate. He caught 116 (75%) of his targets last year. This year he is catching 60% of his targets, so far. He is on pace for 81 catches with this rate. - Yards per Catch. He had an average of 10 yards per receptation last year. So far, that number is up to 11,5 yards per reception this year. Extrapolated, that would mean 923 yards this season. Last year he had 1163 yards. Just a difference of 20,5 points, fantasy wise. - TD per game rate. He averaged 50% last year, this year it's abysmal with just 1 TD so far. Huge difference. Edited October 21, 2019 by the holy one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe23 75 Posted October 21, 2019 Offense sucks and Goedert is there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluecore 851 Posted October 21, 2019 I wouldn’t mind seeing him get traded to the Seahawks before the deadline. Other than that I guess we just hope Goedert gets less share moving forward... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Watitdookie 72 Posted October 23, 2019 The answer is that there is no run game to run the play actions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evillaw4eva 524 Posted October 27, 2019 Safe to say this guy is a huge bust Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PackerBacker555 824 Posted October 27, 2019 WTH with Ertz? Â They need to trade him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sivaro 577 Posted October 27, 2019 Sanders took his targets and Goedert is going to take his job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sivaro 577 Posted October 27, 2019 Prediction. Â Gets traded to the Seahawks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
