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12 minutes ago, Big Nate said:

TB desperately wants to find a good RB and i wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading for one. Having said that Barber is not going to cut it. 4 year in the NFL and his career YPC is 3.8.  He's just not a good RB.

 

I'm holding Jones in hopes that he starts to get more touches.  23 carries for Peyton and he plods out at a 3.6ypc.  If Jones can get half of those and back to 13-15 carries with a catch or two he could be flex-able going forward.

 

They gave him 14 touches game 1 and last game only 4.... I'm obviously holding this kid as TB can't keep going with Barber at this rate.

Firmly on my bench.   Cut candidate during byes if things don’t improve.  

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2 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:

Firmly on my bench.   Cut candidate during byes if things don’t improve.  

Oh yeah he's still on my bench. But he's a good of a lottery ticket as any bench stash, especially with what we saw in week 1. I do believe he just needs more consistent reps.  How can anyone be productive with 4 carriers (outside of Nick Chubb last year lol).

 

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15 minutes ago, Big Nate said:

TB desperately wants to find a good RB and i wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading for one.

 

They only have about 3.5 million in cap space right now so they couldn’t possibly trade for anyone significant. They will have over 60 million in cap space at the end of the season though, so they’ll likely wait until then to address their running back woes. They are pretty much stuck with what they have right now and what they have is mediocre at best.

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4 minutes ago, Big Nate said:

Oh yeah he's still on my bench. But he's a good of a lottery ticket as any bench stash, especially with what we saw in week 1. I do believe he just needs more consistent reps.  How can anyone be productive with 4 carriers (outside of Nick Chubb last year lol).

 

 

This is why Arians never won anything with an absolutely absurd lineup of talent at Arizona. Dude is so overrated. He will continue to plod out Barber for 3 yards a carry for a few wins this season, instead of seeing what they have in Jones and whether they need to drop a high draft pick again at rb in 2020. Jones probably needs a Barber injury at this point to be a play in fantasy.

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6 hours ago, Big Nate said:

TB desperately wants to find a good RB and i wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading for one. Having said that Barber is not going to cut it. 4 year in the NFL and his career YPC is 3.8.  He's just not a good RB.

 

I'm holding Jones in hopes that he starts to get more touches.  23 carries for Peyton and he plods out at a 3.6ypc.  If Jones can get half of those and back to 13-15 carries with a catch or two he could be flex-able going forward.

 

They gave him 14 touches game 1 and last game only 4.... I'm obviously holding this kid as TB can't keep going with Barber at this rate.

 

You quote Barber's  YPC as crap as 3.8, yet Jones is at............3.2. The only years Barber has been the starter have been the ones Jones has been on the team.  Jones can't seem to beat him out when he is given chances. 

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14 hours ago, Sternes said:

 

You quote Barber's  YPC as crap as 3.8, yet Jones is at............3.2. The only years Barber has been the starter have been the ones Jones has been on the team.  Jones can't seem to beat him out when he is given chances. 

Because Jones has been given a starters role before? Jones has been in the league 4 years already? Please go on. 

 

I have no idea if Jones is going to be a star but he averaged 5.8ypc in game 1 and looked great.  He deserved a lot more than 4 carries in game 2.  Barber sucks, time to move on. Maybe Jones sucks too but we don't have enough information yet. Barber getting 23 carries a game is a waste. 

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4 minutes ago, Big Nate said:

 

 

I have no idea if Jones is going to be a star but he averaged 5.8ypc in game 1 and looked great.  He deserved a lot more than 4 carries in game 2. 

Agreed and that plus that dip Rapaport's tweet was the reason I started him.

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2 minutes ago, Fabrini said:

Agreed and that plus that dip Rapaport's tweet was the reason I started him.

I own Jones in 3 leagues so obviously I'm hoping for something here but I can't start him yet. Not until I see some regular usage. I don't understand some coaches - I know they aren't playing fantasy football but when the kid looks good in game 1 and then they barely use him in game 2 it doesn't make sense.

 

Arians being Arians....

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Word was Jones was a little banged up and that’s why he didn’t see the field much. But that’s only what I’ve heard. It would certainly be nice to get team confirmation on why a guy who did so well in a Week 1 took a backseat to a plodder.

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Just now, FitzMagic said:

Word was Jones was a little banged up and that’s why he didn’t see the field much. But that’s only what I’ve heard. It would certainly be nice to get team confirmation on why a guy who did so well in a Week 1 took a backseat to a plodder.

after his one good run, he did look like he was shook up a bit. Hopefully that’s the reason, but who knows. 

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2 minutes ago, Big Nate said:

I own Jones in 3 leagues so obviously I'm hoping for something here but I can't start him yet. Not until I see some regular usage. I don't understand some coaches - I know they aren't playing fantasy football but when the kid looks good in game 1 and then they barely use him in game 2 it doesn't make sense.

 

Arians being Arians....

Maybe they aren't playing FF but I wouldn't put it past some of those guys to do certain things to just mess with a bunch of FF geeks. :D

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7 hours ago, Big Nate said:

Because Jones has been given a starters role before? Jones has been in the league 4 years already? Please go on. 

 

I have no idea if Jones is going to be a star but he averaged 5.8ypc in game 1 and looked great.  He deserved a lot more than 4 carries in game 2.  Barber sucks, time to move on. Maybe Jones sucks too but we don't have enough information yet. Barber getting 23 carries a game is a waste. 

 

This is me going on. Barber has been the starter for 1 year.  This is year 2.  Barber is also only 25.

 

Jones had plenty of opportunities last year to outplay Barber and he didn't.  He had all of training camp to unseat him and hasn't. 

 

You keep saying Barber sucks based on what?  Last year, the awful, predictable play calling was brutal.  The OLine was trash.  The play calling is a little better this year but the OLine sucks.  Barber makes some very good plays that should be losses into short gains.  If you haven't watched games you would be missing this key fact.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Sternes said:

 

This is me going on. Barber has been the starter for 1 year.  This is year 2.  Barber is also only 25.

 

Jones had plenty of opportunities last year to outplay Barber and he didn't.  He had all of training camp to unseat him and hasn't. 

 

You keep saying Barber sucks based on what?  Last year, the awful, predictable play calling was brutal.  The OLine was trash.  The play calling is a little better this year but the OLine sucks.  Barber makes some very good plays that should be losses into short gains.  If you haven't watched games you would be missing this key fact.

 

 

 

Have you watched barber run? He is a plodder.. Does nothing well. Isn't explosive. Isn't fast. Doesn't avoid tacklers, doesn't break too many tacklers.. He just gives you what the line opens up for him. 

With that said Jones may just be a bust. But please don't make your argument around the fact that barber is any good. He isn't.

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7 minutes ago, wideopen21 said:

 

Have you watched barber run? He is a plodder.. Does nothing well. Isn't explosive. Isn't fast. Doesn't avoid tacklers, doesn't break too many tacklers.. He just gives you what the line opens up for him. 

With that said Jones may just be a bust. But please don't make your argument around the fact that barber is any good. He isn't.

 

The line sucks and doesn't block, I don't know what holes you are talking about.  Barber does pretty well breaking tackles and getting something from nothing.  Reminds me of CJ back when he was in Denver.

 

As for you asking if I've seen Barber run?

 

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Here you go bro, from the Barber thread:

 

On 8/23/2019 at 6:50 PM, Sternes said:

What I charted last year:

 

Game Log vs Saints

1st Quarter

2-3-TB 39 (11:04) 25-P.Barber right guard to TB 41 for 2 yards (94-C.Jordan).

1-10-TB 25 (4:25) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 48 for 23 yards (23-M.Lattimore).

1-10-TB 48 (3:44) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left guard to NO 40 for 12 yards (43-M.Williams).

 

2nd Quarter

1-10-TB 41 (14:13) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 47 for 6 yards (21-P.Robinson).

2-4-TB 47 (13:38) 25-P.Barber right tackle to TB 47 for no gain (57-A.Okafor).

2-5-NO 13 (12:13) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left end to NO 15 for -2 yards (56-D.Davis).

1-10-TB 22 (9:42) 25-P.Barber right guard to TB 30 for 8 yards (29-K.Coleman).

2-5-NO 19 (6:35) 25-P.Barber right guard to NO 18 for 1 yard (53-A.Klein; 56-D.Davis). PENALTY on NO-95-T.Davison, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at NO 18.

 

Halftime - 7 carries for 51 yards

 

3rd Quarter

1-10-TB 35 (14:23) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 36 for 1 yard (20-K.Crawley; 29-K.Coleman).

1-2-NO 2 (12:19) 25-P.Barber left guard to NO 3 for -1 yards (47-A.Anzalone; 95-T.Davison).

1-10-TB 25 (9:13) 25-P.Barber right end to TB 29 for 4 yards (51-M.Te'o).

1-10-TB 35 (:26) 25-P.Barber right end to TB 37 for 2 yards (92-M.Davenport; 56-D.Davis).

 

4th Quarter

1-10-TB 25 (8:51) 25-P.Barber right guard to TB 29 for 4 yards (24-V.Bell; 98-S.Rankins).

2-6-TB 29 (8:07) 25-P.Barber left guard to TB 32 for 3 yards (94-C.Jordan).

1-10-NO 33 (6:36) 25-P.Barber right guard to NO 32 for 1 yard (95-T.Davison; 94-C.Jordan).

2-9-NO 32 (5:51) 25-P.Barber left end to NO 27 for 5 yards (57-A.Okafor).

3-4-NO 27 (5:04) 25-P.Barber left end to NO 26 for 1 yard (43-M.Williams; 94-C.Jordan).

1-10-TB 25 (3:31) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 21 for -4 yards (53-A.Klein). Penalty on TB-69-D.Dotson, Offensive Holding, declined.  (still counted against him)

2-14-TB 21 (3:27) 25-P.Barber left guard to TB 24 for 3 yards (51-M.Te'o).

 

Final - 19 carries for 69 yards, 0 receptions

 

Conclusions - 12/19 carries are on 1st down, 63%!  Lets just throw out the 4th where they were just trying to run clock. 8/11 times he on 1st down,  73%.  TB really needs to change that up a bit.  This is me cheating a little as I watched the game.  It was pretty clear the Bucs were just trying to hold out and win.  It was 41-24 at the end of the 3rd quarter.  A lot of the 4th quarter runs were against a stacked line and were pure clock burning runs. He managed 13 yards on his last 7 carries that were to kill clock.

 

 

 

Game Log vs Eagles

1st Quarter

2-6-TB 21 (12:10) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to 25-P.Barber pushed ob at TB 28 for 7 yards (31-J.Mills) [55-B.Graham].

1-10-TB 15 (6:04) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 24 for 9 yards (21-R.Darby).

1-10-TB 31 (5:08) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left guard to TB 35 for 4 yards (58-J.Hicks). PENALTY on TB-66-R.Jensen, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at TB 35.

1-10-PHI 47 (:56) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left end to TB 47 for -6 yards (96-D.Barnett).

 

2nd Quarter

1-10-TB 20 (14:04) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 21 for 1 yard (56-C.Long).

 

Halftime - 3 carries for 10 yards, 1 reception for 7 yards

 

3rd Quarter

1-10-TB 46 (12:36) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PHI 46 for 8 yards (23-R.McLeod).

1-10-PHI 37 (11:37) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PHI 37 for no gain (96-D.Barnett).

2-10-PHI 37 (11:01) 25-P.Barber left guard to PHI 34 for 3 yards (53-N.Bradham, 94-H.Ngata).

1-6-PHI 6 (10:02) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PHI 4 for 2 yards (96-D.Barnett).

1-10-TB 16 (6:59) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 18 for 2 yards (91-F.Cox).

 

4th Quarter

2-2-TB 33 (15:00) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 30 for -3 yards (77-M.Bennett).

1-10-TB 38 (14:00) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 41 for 3 yards (58-J.Hicks; 53-N.Bradham).

1-10-TB 15 (2:41) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 12 for -3 yards (53-N.Bradham; 58-J.Hicks).

1-10-TB 29 (2:30) 25-P.Barber left tackle to TB 31 for 2 yards (55-B.Graham, 91-F.Cox).

2-3-TB 36 (2:26) 25-P.Barber left guard to TB 36 for no gain (58-J.Hicks, 24-C.Graham).

1-10-TB 46 (2:20) 25-P.Barber right tackle to TB 46 for no gain (58-J.Hicks).

2-10-TB 46 (2:00) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 46 for no gain (55-B.Graham, 53-N.Bradham).

 

 

Final - 16 carries for 22 yards, 1 reception for 7 yards

 

Conclusions - 75% of his runs came on 1st down.  Throwing out the 4th quarter which was run out the clock mode, 89% of his runs were on 1st down.  On his last 7 carries he lost -4 yards.  Again, this was not him running poorly, this is everyone knowing they are running the clock and the Eagles were crashing the backfield easily.  I find it hard to believe going forward that Barber won't get any running room and teams ignore the passing game.  It should open him up to more dumpoffs and running room.

 

 

 

Game vs the Steelers

1st Quarter

1-10-TB 41 (12:43) 25-P.Barber up the middle to TB 43 for 2 yards (79-J.Hargrave, 90-T.Watt).

1-10-PIT 39 (9:19) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 35 for 4 yards (79-J.Hargrave).

1-10-PIT 22 (8:02) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 4 for 18 yards (24-C.Sensabaugh).

1-10-TB 37 (5:18) 10-A.Humphries right end to TB 41 for 4 yards (51-J.Bostic).   (not Barber)

1-10-PIT 29 (3:32) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 27 for 2 yards (90-T.Watt).

 

2nd Quarter

1-10-TB 24 (12:09) (Shotgun) 32-J.Rodgers up the middle to TB 23 for -1 yards (51-J.Bostic, 28-M.Hilton).  (not Barber)

1-10-PIT 28 (9:58) 25-P.Barber left end ran ob at PIT 27 for 1 yard. PENALTY on TB-66-R.Jensen, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 28 - No Play.

1-10-TB 2 (3:37) 32-J.Rodgers up the middle to TB 2 for no gain (94-T.Alualu). (not Barber)

1-5-PIT 5 (2:00) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 3 for 2 yards (91-S.Tuitt; 90-T.Watt).

 

Halftime - 5 carries for 28 yards, 0 receptions

 

3rd Quarter

1-10-TB 25 (14:55) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left guard to TB 28 for 3 yards (98-V.Williams).

1-10-PIT 37 (11:58) (Shotgun) 25-P.Barber left end to PIT 39 for -2 yards (97-C.Heyward, 48-B.Dupree).

1-10-PIT 26 (10:27) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 22 for 4 yards (28-M.Hilton).

1-6-PIT 6 (9:10) 25-P.Barber up the middle to PIT 3 for 3 yards (98-V.Williams). PENALTY on TB-12-C.Godwin, Illegal Shift, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 6 - No Play.

 

4th Quarter

None

 

Final - 8 carries for 33 yards, 0 receptions

 

 

Conclusions - First off, the reason I included all designed runs this week is because I joked in the game thread his 1st down carries were going to be 100% of all his carries this week.  In fact, this was true for the entire team.  That is why other players are included.  TB did not run on any down other than 1st down.  Not only was this predictable, but play action would only work on 1st down.  This you could argue, lost them the game.  At the end of the 2nd quarter they gave Barber a run from the 5.  The next two plays they decided to pass, both incomplete, and had to settle for a FG.  They did not burn clock, nor did they score a TD, or make Pitt burn timeouts.  They had the worst possible outcome by simply not running.  If you watched him run, when he got it, he again looked good. They never let him get multiple carries to get going, and I can't figure out why.

 

As far as him the passing game, he did go out, he did get open, but other options were open and Fitzpatrick will always take the deeper option.

 

The takeaway from this game was that he certainly seems like he can do more with volume, but he is simply being held back by the stupidity of the play calling.  Who runs only on 1st down?  This percentage has actually gone up each game!

 

I'd say he is a bench stash at this point if you have the space.   The talent doesn't seem to be the problem.  Maybe TB can get their heads out of their rears and be less predictable.

 

 

 

**NFL.com has changed their website and the redesign fricking sucks.  I'm using ESPN for game logs but I always disliked their format, now NFL.com is a parody of the ESPN game logs.  Any mistakes are my own.**

 

Game Log vs Bears 

1st Quarter

2nd & 10 at TB 25 (11:49 - 1st) P.Barber left guard to TB 25 for no gain (K.Mack).

2nd & 5 at TB 38 (7:35 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle to TB 40 for 2 yards (K.Fuller). PENALTY on TB-O.Howard, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TB 38 - No Play.

1st & 10 at TB 28 (2:07 - 1st) P.Barber left tackle to TB 35 for 7 yards (K.Toliver II).

1st & 10 at CHI 17 (0:49 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Jones right guard to CHI 12 for 5 yards (D.Trevathan; K.Mack).

 

2nd Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (8:59 - 2nd) P.Barber left guard to TB 28 for 3 yards (A.Lynch).

1st & 10 at TB 25 (4:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) P.Barber left tackle to TB 37 for 12 yards (E.Jackson).

1st & 10 at CHI 15 (3:32 - 2nd) P.Barber left end to CHI 14 for 1 yard (R.Robertson-Harris; K.Toliver II).

 

Halftime - 5 carries for 23 yards, 0 receptions, 1 target which Fitz mangled horribly.  Score is 3-38 Bears

 

3rd Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (15:00 - 3rd) #3 J. Winston in at QB (Shotgun) P.Barber left tackle to TB 23 for -2 yards (J.Bullard).

1st & 10 at TB 25 (10:28 - 3rd) P.Barber left tackle to TB 28 for 3 yards (R.Smith; R.Robertson-Harris).

1st & 10 at TB 40 (9:04 - 3rd) J.Winston pass short middle to P.Barber to TB 46 for 6 yards (L.Floyd).  (HE GOT A PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

**This ends his night, everything after this is Jones which I will include**

 

2nd & 17 at TB 45 (7:04 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Jones left guard to TB 41 for -4 yards (B.Nichols).

1st & 10 at TB 21 (4:04 - 3rd) R.Jones left guard to TB 24 for 3 yards (D.Trevathan).

1st & 10 at TB 41 (2:44 - 3rd) R.Jones right tackle to TB 45 for 4 yards (J.Bullard).

1st & 10 at CHI 48 (1:15 - 3rd) R.Jones right tackle to CHI 48 for no gain (R.Smith).

 

4th Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (6:22 - 4th) R.Jones left end to TB 29 for 4 yards (N.Kwiatkoski).

2nd & 6 at TB 29 (5:43 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Jones right tackle to TB 36 for 7 yards (D.Houston-Carson).

2nd & 5 at TB 41 (4:29 - 4th) R.Jones left tackle to TB 43 for 2 yards (J.Bullard).

1st & 10 at 50 (3:05 - 4th) R.Jones left guard to CHI 45 for 5 yards (B.Nichols).

2nd & 5 at CHI 45 (2:26 - 4th) R.Jones left tackle to CHI 42 for 3 yards (K.Toliver II).

 

Final - 7 carries for 24 yards, 1 reception for 6 yards

 

Jones - 10 carries for 29 yards, 1 reception for -1 yard

 

Conclusions - 85.7% of his runs came on 1st down. 6 out of 7, if you include the one no play, it is still 6 out 8, 75%.  Big surprise I know.  :rolleyes: This has been a theme I've been hammering each game.  I'm also curious if I look back through the data if he has ever gotten back to back carries outside of grind the clock mode.  He never seems to be given a chance to get in the flow of the game and still seems to be a cast off in the pass game.  It always seems to be, "run on 1st, get stopped, pass on 2nd and 3rd".  The only down that play action conceivably works on is 1st, because that is the only down they run on. 

 

Jones did nothing to impress, and he was in during pure garbage time where they were down 42 points.  He had one carry in the first half.  I never viewed him as a threat and still don't.  Couldn't do more than Barber when the Bears D was practically asleep from boredom at that point.

 

The biggest threat is the coaching staff. If some armchair slouch can point out this glaring of a tendency, Barber+1st down = run at I'd say an 85% averaged through those games that is scary.  The lack of back to back carries likely cost them the Steelers game when they were at the goal line.  Yes, the Bears game was a bust, but this team could be 3-1.  I also don't understand the Fitzpatrick short leash.  Before game 4, they say he could have been pulled during game 3 for Ryan Griffin? WHO????? First thought was the TE on the Texans right?  Yeah, some 28 year old (29 in a month) journeyman QB who has never thrown an NFL pass!  This clown show needs to be fired.  Fitzpatrick might not have a long leash, but the dude had them at 2-0.  He got them back INTO the PIT game after playing them out of it.  If the idiot coaches had run the ball it would have been 10-23 at half, OR 14-23.  Instead derp derp derp and give the Steelers time to score and get it to 30.  I get pulling him for Jameis in this blowout against the Bears, but holy crap, are these guys for real? Ryan Griffin?

 

And they need to learn how to gameplan.

 

Game Log vs Falcons

1st Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (14:55 - 1st) P.Barber right guard to TB 26 for 1 yard (J.Richards).

2nd & 5 at TB 41 (13:22 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle pushed ob at ATL 31 for 28 yards (D.Kazee).

1st & 10 at ATL 17 (12:23 - 1st) (Shotgun) P.Barber right guard to ATL 15 for 2 yards (T.McClain; J.Richards).

1st & 10 at TB 19 (8:09 - 1st) P.Barber right end to TB 23 for 4 yards (D.Campbell; F.Oluokun).

2nd & 6 at TB 23 (7:27 - 1st) J.Winston pass short middle to P.Barber to TB 32 for 9 yards (F.Oluokun).

1st & 10 at ATL 49 (6:15 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle to TB 49 for -2 yards (M.Bennett).

 

 

2nd Quarter

2nd & 8 at TB 27 (11:43 - 2nd) P.Barber right end to TB 28 for 1 yard (F.Oluokun; J.Richards).

1st & 10 at TB 44 (6:52 - 2nd) P.Barber left guard to ATL 49 for 7 yards (D.Senat; D.Campbell).

1st & 15 at 50 (5:32 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Jones left end to ATL 47 for 3 yards (T.McClain).

2nd & 6 at ATL 48 (2:38 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short left to R.Jones to ATL 38 for 10 yards (F.Oluokun).

1st & 10 at ATL 38 (2:05 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Winston pass short left to R.Jones to ATL 37 for 1 yard (F.Oluokun).

 

Halftime - 7 carries, 41 yards and 1 reception for 9 yards.  Jones received 3 touches.

 

3rd Quarter

1st & Goal at ATL 2 (11:34 - 3rd) L.Wester reported in as eligible. P.Barber left tackle to ATL 2 for no gain (K.Ishmael).

1st & 10 at TB 40 (6:42 - 3rd) P.Barber left guard to TB 47 for 7 yards (F.Oluokun).

1st & 10 at ATL 16 (4:46 - 3rd) P.Barber right tackle to ATL 16 for no gain (D.Campbell).

2nd & 10 at ATL 16 (4:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short right to R.Jones pushed ob at ATL 11 for 5 yards (J.Richards).

1st & 10 at TB 15 (0:11 - 3rd) P.Barber left end to TB 39 for 24 yards (D.Campbell).

 

4th Quarter

1st & 10 at ATL 28 (13:38 - 4th) P.Barber right tackle to ATL 18 for 10 yards (F.Oluokun).

2nd & 1 at ATL 9 (12:16 - 4th) P.Barber left guard to ATL 9 for no gain (JA.Crawford; B.Poole).

1st & 10 at TB 44 (5:41 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short left to P.Barber pushed ob at TB 47 for 3 yards (B.Carter).

1st & 10 at ATL 48 (5:05 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short left to P.Barber to ATL 41 for 7 yards (B.Carter).

1st & Goal at ATL 5 (3:47 - 4th) Peyton Barber Pass From Jameis Winston for 5 Yrds C.Catanzaro extra point is GOOD, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-B.Anger.

 

Final - 13 carries for 83 yards, and 4 receptions for 24 yards and a TD. 

 

Jones 1 carry for 3 yards, 3 catches for 13 yards.

 

Conclusions - The usual to start off with, pretty sad I got excited that they ran it on 2nd down a couple times.  Ten out of thirteen of Barber's carries came on 1st down, 77% of his total.  Barber + 1st down = run.  It was nice to see Winston check down to him as he has been open many times in previous games.  It also seems as though Jones has leapfrogged Rodgers, as I didn't see him until the last drive (which was odd timing).  Barber was the lead back and Jones spelled him on occasion, but the more the game went the more it was clear that Barber had the job.

 

He has a couple decent matchups, and then some tough ones.  Schedule is Cleveland, Cincy, Carolina, Washington, NYG, SF, Carolina, NO, Baltimore, Dallas, ATL.

 

Overall, I'm happier with the usage and still horrified by the playcalling.  I don't know how you can keep a defense honest when the last time you ran it with him on 3rd down was the first game of the season.  In his last 3 games 23 of his 28 carries have been on 1st down!  1st down likely run or play action, 2nd down VERY likely pass, 3rd down almost guaranteed pass if Barber is on the field for these plays.  I also don't know if the guy has had back to back carries since run the clock mode vs the Eagles, because it doesn't look that way.  Again, these are disturbing tendencies that I've noticed based off one guy in their lineup.

 

Hopefully they learn to mix it up, because the guy has looked respectable running the ball despite the box scores.  I'm happy to see him get a good game.

 

Game Log vs Browns (An epic episode in frustration)

1st Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 1 (10:30 - 1st) P.Barber up the middle to TB 1 for no gain (C.Kirksey).

2nd & 10 at TB 1 (9:47 - 1st) PENALTY on TB-A.Auclair, False Start, 0 yards, enforced at TB 1 - No Play.

2nd & 10 at TB 1 (9:18 - 1st) P.Barber tackled in end zone by Trevon Coley for a Safety

1st & 10 at TB 39 (6:59 - 1st) (No Huddle) P.Barber left guard to TB 45 for 6 yards (C.Kirksey).

2nd & 4 at TB 45 (6:28 - 1st) (No Huddle) P.Barber up the middle to TB 49 for 4 yards (D.Randall; C.Kirksey).

1st & 10 at CLE 39 (5:09 - 1st) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Winston pass incomplete short left to P.Barber.

1st & 10 at CLE 22 (4:25 - 1st) (No Huddle) P.Barber up the middle to CLV 22 for no gain (C.Kirksey).

 

 

2nd Quarter

1st & 10 at CLE 19 (10:52 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Jones right end to CLV 19 for no gain (T.Carrie).

1st & 10 at CLE 14 (9:42 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Jones up the middle to CLV 5 for 9 yards (D.Randall).

2nd & 1 at CLE 5 (9:00 - 2nd) R.Jones right end to CLV 8 for -3 yards (D.Ward, J.Collins).

1st & Goal at CLE 4 (8:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) P.Barber right tackle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on TB-E.Smith, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLV 4 - No Play.

1st & Goal at CLE 14 (7:58 - 2nd) Jameis Winston 14 Yard Rush C.Catanzaro extra point is GOOD, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-B.Anger.

2nd & 4 at TB 26 (3:41 - 2nd) P.Barber right guard to TB 27 for 1 yard (C.Kirksey).

1st & 10 at TB 1 (1:37 - 2nd) J.Winston pass short middle to J.Rodgers to TB 12 for 11 yards (C.Kirksey).

 

Halftime - 6 carries for 11 yards, 1 target no receptions (bad throw on Winston)

 

3rd Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (15:00 - 3rd) P.Barber up the middle to TB 29 for 4 yards (C.Kirksey, J.Collins).

1st & 10 at TB 25 (13:01 - 3rd) P.Barber up the middle to TB 25 for no gain (E.Ogbah).

1st & 10 at TB 45 (12:17 - 3rd) P.Barber left guard to CLV 43 for 12 yards (B.Boddy-Calhoun).

1st & 10 at CLE 28 (11:23 - 3rd) P.Barber right guard to CLV 27 for 1 yard (E.Ogbah). PENALTY on TB-C.Benenoch, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLV 28 - No Play.

1st & 25 at CLE 43 (10:48 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass incomplete short left to P.Barber.

1st & 10 at TB 27 (6:58 - 3rd) P.Barber right end to TB 29 for 2 yards (J.Collins).

1st & 10 at TB 42 (4:58 - 3rd) R.Jones up the middle to TB 43 for 1 yard (J.Collins).

2nd & 6 at CLE 39 (2:39 - 3rd) R.Jones left guard to CLV 35 for 4 yards (T.Carrie).

1st & Goal at CLE 2 (0:28 - 3rd) Ronald Jones 2 Yard Rush C.Catanzaro extra point is GOOD, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-B.Anger.

 

4th Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 38 (10:52 - 4th) P.Barber up the middle to TB 40 for 2 yards (J.Peppers, C.Kirksey).

2nd & 5 at TB 6 (4:15 - 4th) J.Rodgers right guard to TB 9 for 3 yards (G.Avery, J.Peppers).

1st & 10 at CLE 24 (0:45 - 4th) J.Rodgers up the middle to CLV 21 for 3 yards (L.Ogunjobi).

 

OT

1st & 10 at TB 20 (4:11 - OT) (Shotgun) J.Rodgers up the middle to TB 22 for 2 yards (G.Avery).

 

Final - 11 carries for 33 yards, and 0 receptions on 2 targets.

 

Jones 6 carry for 13 yards, 1 reception for 15 yards on 1 target.

 

Rodgers 3 carries for 8 yards, 1 reception for 11 yards on 1 target.

 

Conclusions - This one hurts.  Once again 1st down heavy just like every week. 10/13, 77% of his carries on 1st down.  It is worse than that watching the game, as everyone and their mother knew they were going to run it again out of the endzone which doesn't make that 2nd down carry as much of a change of pace.  He had back to back carries twice in the 1st quarter (WOOOOO!) one of those was out of the endzone (BOOOOOO!) and technically there was a penalty in between.  TD called back, then Winston runs it in from 14 yards out.  I think he picked up his ankle injury right when Jones gets that 3rd quarter run, which of course ends in a Jones TD.  He came back in the 4th for a carry to run on 1st down, because no one saw that coming.  Once again the team managed to not run on 3rd down for the entire game (at least with their RB, maybe they snuck in a 3rd down WR run in that span). 

 

Going forward, the stupidity is becoming more evident in the play calling.  Just bizarre mindset that seems to say, "I'm okay with 1-2 yards or 1st and 2nd, we will pick i up on 3rd and 7".  It seems like Barber had incredibly bad luck this game to not finish with a TD.  Winston had one, Jones had one, Jackson had one.  How a team had 3 rushing TD, 0 passing TD, and the lead back doesn't get a TD has to be up there in unfortunate outcomes.  He again looked good when he ran it, but it would be nice if there was some creativity.  Jones continues to do even less than Barber when given the chance, and I think Rodgers got the work late due to his pass protection.  That is speculation on my part.  Unfortunately, the play calling continues to suck, and the only way he is going to make plays is if HE does it himself.  I don't see this line opening holes up on teams when they know they are going to run it on 1st down every time.  I'm not sure of the severity of the injury either.  I didn't see it happen.

 

Remember, this was the play call AFTER they tried to run it up the gut, then got a penalty, then decided they needed to run it out of the endzone.  Note not just the fact it is a run, they decided to go off tackle, FROM THEIR OWN ENDZONE!

 

 

Game Log vs Bengals

1st Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 21 (12:44 - 1st) {yard lane changed with change of possession} P.Barber up the middle to TB 30 for 9 yards (S.Williams; J.Evans).

2nd & 1 at TB 30 (12:06 - 1st) P.Barber right guard to TB 37 for 7 yards (J.Evans).

1st & 10 at CIN 44 (10:54 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle to CIN 41 for 3 yards (M.Johnson).

2nd & 7 at CIN 41 (10:14 - 1st) P.Barber left tackle to CIN 38 for 3 yards (J.Bates; J.Willis).

1st & 10 at CIN 21 (8:21 - 1st) P.Barber left end to CIN 18 for 3 yards (A.Billings).

1st & 10 at TB 34 (6:08 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle to TB 38 for 4 yards (J.Willis).

2nd & 6 at TB 38 (5:39 - 1st) P.Barber up the middle to TB 41 for 3 yards (D.Kirkpatrick).

1st & 10 at TB 43 (2:35 - 1st) P.Barber right tackle to TB 49 for 6 yards (M.Johnson).

3rd & 2 at CIN 49 (1:27 - 1st) (Shotgun) P.Barber left guard to CIN 47 for 2 yards (G.Atkins; S.Hubbard).

 

2nd Quarter

1st & 10 at TB 25 (10:04 - 2nd) R.Jones II right tackle to TB 26 for 1 yard (J.Tupou).

2nd & 9 at TB 26 (9:22 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short left to R.Jones II to TB 30 for 4 yards (D.Phillips).

2nd & 10 at TB 39 (8:04 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Jones II left end to TB 35 for -4 yards (C.Dunlap).

1st & 10 at TB 40 (2:34 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Rodgers up the middle to CIN 48 for 12 yards (P.Brown). PENALTY on TB-E.Smith, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TB 44. {Rodgers credited with 4 yards rushing due to the penalty}

2nd & 10 at CIN 18 (0:49 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass short right to J.Rodgers to CIN 13 for 5 yards (J.Evans).

 

Halftime - 9 carries for 40 yards, 0 targets

 

3rd Quarter

2nd & 10 at TB 42 (13:39 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Barber left guard to TB 49 for 7 yards (P.Brown). PENALTY on TB-A.Marpet, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TB 42 - No Play.

1st & Goal at CIN 1(9:18 - 3rd) Peyton Barber 1 Yard Rush C.Catanzaro extra point is GOOD, Center-G.Sanborn, Holder-B.Anger.

2nd & 10 at TB 30 (8:27 - 3rd) P.Barber left tackle to TB 33 for 3 yards (J.Willis; S.Hubbard).

2nd & 10 at TB 42 (6:57 - 3rd) P.Barber left guard to CIN 49 for 9 yards (C.Dunlap; P.Brown).

3rd & 1 at CIN 49 (6:13 - 3rd) (Shotgun) P.Barber right guard to CIN 43 for 6 yards (C.Dunlap).

1st & 10 at TB 10 (3:43 - 3rd) P.Barber right guard to TB 11 for 1 yard (P.Brown).

1st & 10 at TB 25 (2:10 - 3rd) {New TB QB #14 Fitzpatrick} P.Barber left guard to TB 25 for no gain (M.Johnson; A.Washington).

1st & 10 at TB 37 (1:20 - 3rd) P.Barber left guard to CIN 47 for 16 yards (J.Bates).

1st & 10 at CIN 27 (0:14 - 3rd) P.Barber right tackle to CIN 29 for -2 yards (A.Billings).

 

 

4th Quarter

2nd & 22 at CIN 39 (14:31 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to J.Rodgers to CIN 38 for 1 yard (P.Brown).

1st & 20 at TB 22 (10:47 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Barber up the middle to TB 28 for 6 yards (A.Washington; J.Evans).

1st & 10 at TB 15 (7:48 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Barber left guard to TB 20 for 5 yards (S.Williams; J.Evans).

1st & 10 at TB 12 (3:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to J.Rodgers to TB 21 for 9 yards (J.Evans).

2nd & 10 at CIN 35 (2:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to J.Rodgers to CIN 25 for 10 yards (J.Bates) [C.Dunlap].

 

Final - 19 carries for 85 yards, and 0 receptions on 0 targets.

 

Jones 2 carries for -3 yards, 1 reception for 4 yards on 1 target.

 

Rodgers 1 carry for 4 yards, 4 receptions for 25 yards on 4 target.

 

Conclusions: Wow! Did someone forward my previous posts to the Bucs? :P What happened with the play calling?  Back to back carries twice in the 1st quarter?  2nd down runs?  3RD DOWN RUNS?!?!  The play calling still telegraphs run, but it was actually tolerable for a bit.  12 of 19 runs were on 1st down, 63% lowest since the Saints opener.  He ran well and hard, and Jones wasn't even an idea until they gave him a bit of work in the 2nd quarter.  Barber was on pace with Mixon through the first quarter, Barber 9 carries for 40 yards, and Mixon with 10 carries for 43 yards.  Then, Jameis happened.  The game got out of hand quickly, and by the time the Bucs got the ball back in the 2nd quarter it was Rodgers garbage time mode.  I'm still not sure why Rodgers has that role to the exclusion of anyone else.  Barber continued to look good but game flow limited him.  He did get lucky with the TD this week, as Humpries (IIRC) got called down at the 1 instead of it being a TD.

 

Once again, week after week I have to say it, he has the job.  I still don't understand why people think otherwise.  Jones wasn't a thought the entire 1st quarter. The most disappointing thing is that Winston was not an improvement in dumping it off over Fitzpatrick. 

 

Going forward, just like before; Barber is the man to own.  I've stuck by him all season.  Let me let you in on a deep, dark, secret.  I'd try to trade him right now if you can get good value.  Upcoming schedule: Panthers, Redskins, Giants, 49ers, Panthers, Saints, Ravens, Cowboys, Falcons.  He will get you points, but I don't think the team will be able to run very effectively against the majority of those opponents. He also is rarely targeted in the passing game, which hurts him in general and especially in PPR.  The majority of the time they score by passing, and rarely are they at the 2 or 3 yard line, they tend to chuck it in the endzone anyway.

 

I think he will be serviceable, but I think those opponents are going to be tough sledding, and the team will often be stuck in catch up mode.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/16/2019 at 1:11 PM, Big Nate said:

Oh yeah he's still on my bench. But he's a good of a lottery ticket as any bench stash, especially with what we saw in week 1. I do believe he just needs more consistent reps.  How can anyone be productive with 4 carriers (outside of Nick Chubb last year lol).

 

 

I've just been taking some time to think and about Jones today.....trying to decide if I want to keep him as a bench stash or pickup Darwin Thompson.

One the surface it seems like Jones should have a path to a good share of carries.  I mean, let's face it....Barber is about as much of a JAG as you can get.  And watching highlight clips of Jones from college (which I know is always dangerous lol) but this kid can play.  He runs hard, has good hands.  And in Week 1 he really seemed much improved from his rookie year.

I think it's pretty obvious though that it's the situation here.  The Bucs just stink.  They have no imagination of offense, Winston is terrible, their OL is terrible, their coaching is terrible.  I'm just not sure I see any of their RB's being worth much at all for fantasy purposes.

Now if Jones were on the Chiefs or something, I think he could be an absolute stud.  It's clear he has some skill.  But if he's splitting early downs with Barber and losing passing work to Dare, I don't see much upside here in that TB offense.

I don't know what to do with the guy.  

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14 minutes ago, tts42572 said:

 

I've just been taking some time to think and about Jones today.....trying to decide if I want to keep him as a bench stash or pickup Darwin Thompson.

One the surface it seems like Jones should have a path to a good share of carries.  I mean, let's face it....Barber is about as much of a JAG as you can get.  And watching highlight clips of Jones from college (which I know is always dangerous lol) but this kid can play.  He runs hard, has good hands.  And in Week 1 he really seemed much improved from his rookie year.

I think it's pretty obvious though that it's the situation here.  The Bucs just stink.  They have no imagination of offense, Winston is terrible, their OL is terrible, their coaching is terrible.  I'm just not sure I see any of their RB's being worth much at all for fantasy purposes.

Now if Jones were on the Chiefs or something, I think he could be an absolute stud.  It's clear he has some skill.  But if he's splitting early downs with Barber and losing passing work to Dare, I don't see much upside here in that TB offense.

I don't know what to do with the guy.  

Drop him and don't worry about it.

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At this point can't both him and Barber be just JAG talent.  I mean besides one game he has not shown anything so far.  I feel for it last week and just dumped him for Ty Johnson.  Rather take the shot on Johnson then waste a spot on this guy.  

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4 minutes ago, youngrice said:

At this point can't both him and Barber be just JAG talent.  I mean besides one game he has not shown anything so far.  I feel for it last week and just dumped him for Ty Johnson.  Rather take the shot on Johnson then waste a spot on this guy.  

2nd round draft picks aren't JAG talents.

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1 minute ago, devaster said:

2nd round draft picks aren't JAG talents.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.

How long do they keep going with an undrafted free agent over the second round choice when they've consistently had one of the worst running games in the league with that undrafted player?

Barber has ZERO chance of elevating that offense IMO.  I'm not sure if Jones can either, but he's gotten no opportunity.

At some point you'd think they'd want to give their second round pick a fair chance so they can decide what they're doing next year.

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2 minutes ago, devaster said:

2nd round draft picks aren't JAG talents.

There is more to football then combine stats.  Plenty of guys have had sub par combine numbers that have been amazing pros. While others have had amazing talent but it doesn't translate to the field.  

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The problem here is consistency and catching. He has 4 catches in 19 games! So in ppr, you are REALLY rolling the dice starting him. Not to mention the Bucs lost and you just know Arians will want to go back to Barber to try the slow game for a win again. Basically, I want to see two good games in a row first...

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On 9/18/2019 at 8:29 AM, Szer0 said:

I beg to differ.

Trent Richardson was practically a first round pick, twice... Look how that pans out.

 

Kinda depends on how you define 'talent.'  In football, it seems that is usually referring to measurables or physical talent.  Like how fast, strong, explosive they are etc. Or the classic 'eye test' from their college film.  That wasn't Trent's problem.  He has glowing physical talent and beasted at the combine/on film.  4.45 at 230 and Bench Pressed 225lbs 25 times.  To put in perspective,  Saquan Barkley ran 4.40 and 29 bench.

Trent's main problem was that he had terrible vision for the NFL.  Constantly missed holes, running into lineman etc.  Stuff like hands, vision, awareness etc are different kinds of talents that sometimes develop for these guys and sometimes don't.  And you really don't know til they are in the NFL which is what is happening with RoJo.  Those non-physical talents are being tested.

Though Ron's Combine was a flop.  Scouts still had him projected as things like "instant starter" and If you google Ronald Jones scouting from the draft, the most common NFL Comparison named is Jamal Charles.  So yea generally the high draft picks are 'talented' in that first sense of the word.  But being super athletic/agile doesn't mean you'll be good in the NFL ie Christine Michael.

And he could end up being a Christine Michael.  Clearly something is up with how little time he got last year and the inconsistency this year.  I'm just saying why you give someone with the pedigree and 'talent' extra leash than you would someone else because every once in a while you get an physically-elite dude who figures it out.

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