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15 minutes ago, marlin said:


Plus he gets to leave the Chargers.   Probably the worst franchise in the league.

Worse than the Raiders? 

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31 minutes ago, marlin said:

 

You think?  I have him as my WR6 right now (or WR5 if AJ Green injury lingers)  and hoping he can work his way up to the flex spot

6 wide receivers seems like a lot to roster 

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10 minutes ago, blazehound said:

6 wide receivers seems like a lot to roster 

 

I have 7.  But it’s because they kept falling and we play 3 plus a flex.  Much better than drafting a WR I know will put up points then other positions at handcuff

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Raiders’ Tyrell Williams ‘not just’ a No. 2 receiver

Raiders receiver Tyrell Williams says that early in his NFL career, “people didn’t think I could go up and get contested catches.”

He describes his ability to run shorter routes as “overlooked.”

 

So it was telling to hear cornerback Daryl Worley’s response when asked recently to name his toughest matchup so far in training camp.

“Tyrell Williams for sure,” Worley said. “He can run quick routes and long routes. He’s definitely a high-point guy, always competing for the ball. He’s very underrated, but he can do it all.”

Williams, a key part of the Raiders’ offseason overhaul at receiver, was cast as a deep threat as an undrafted rookie with the Chargers in 2015 because of his size (6-foot-4) and speed. It served him well the next year when, with top receiver Keenan Allen sidelined by an injury, Williams led the Chargers with 1,059 receiving yards and tied for the NFL lead with six 40-plus-yard catches.

After his numbers dipped in 2017, Williams sought to broaden his game by “being able to run everything.” Which led him to Steve Calhoun, a personal coach in Southern California.

 

Calhoun had trained Allen since the latter was in high school. He met with Williams for the first time in spring 2018 and quickly diagnosed Williams’ route-running.

“He was a speed guy, a real take-the-top-off guy,” Calhoun said in a phone interview, “and he really struggled to get in and out of his cuts.”

With the Chargers, Williams’ role often had been to run deep routes and clear space for Allen or tight end Antonio Gates underneath. It behooved him on such plays to reach top speed quickly.

Calhoun’s first advice to Williams was to ease back the throttle.

“I said, ‘OK, Tyrell, if you run a 4.3, you don’t have to run that all the time,’” Calhoun said. “If you run a 4.5, (defensive backs) are still going to open their hips and start running, and that allows you to transition easier in and out of breaks.”

That offseason, Williams worked on ankle stability — important for planting his feet to cut — and sinking his hips to get in and out of breaks. Gradually, Calhoun said, Williams worked back up to running crisp routes at full speed. That gave him the option of varying his speed within a route.

“When Tyrell comes off the ball (at full speed), he’s taking long strides and gobbling up (a defensive back’s) cushion,” Calhoun said. “He’s in drive phase for the first four steps, but then he’s actually just maintaining that speed and now he can get in and out of his cuts.”

Calhoun said Williams “really started to put it together” in their final few workouts before camp last year and “put it on display” in Week 7 against Tennessee. Williams had four catches for 118 yards, including a 75-yard touchdown.

This offseason, Williams focused on intermediate-level routes and getting open against man coverage. Early in camp, Williams has made a number of catches on short or mid-level routes, often with a defender in his wake.

“I feel like at any time, I can run by people,” Williams said. “That just sets me up to be able to run any other type of route. Just getting an opportunity to run those routes has been like the most important thing to me, getting those opportunities and proving I can do it.”

In a practice last weekend, Williams made a difficult catch in the end zone by tapping both feet at the sideline while securing a throw from Derek Carr. Afterward, Carr said his confidence in Williams has grown from his “consistently” making catches. Carr also remarked on Williams’ “effortless” speed.

“He and (tight end) Darren Waller are similar — they have such long strides it doesn’t look like they’re really trying that hard,” Carr said. “The first couple of balls you throw them are behind them and you’re like, that doesn’t make sense. Then you turn the film on and see the kind of ground he’s covering.”

Williams has been perhaps more visible in camp with top receiver Antonio Brown sidelined by a foot ailment. Head coach Jon Gruden and others have made a point to laud Williams, whom the Raiders signed in March to a reported four-year deal worth up to $47 million. Coordinator Greg Olson said the Raiders “targeted (Williams) as a No. 1 wide receiver” before trading for Brown.

“I think everyone that’s been at practice is seeing Tyrell not just as a No. 2 receiver,” Carr said. “He can easily take the featured role and be a 100-catch, 1,000-yard guy.”

Williams declared himself a “No. 1 receiver” at the end of last season. But he said last week it “really doesn’t bother me if I stay under the radar or not” playing alongside Brown.

“Obviously, (Brown) is going to demand a lot of attention,” Williams said. “That’s going to open up a lot for me to be able to go and win 1-on-1. So I think it’s just going to be good.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/amp/Raiders-Tyrell-Williams-not-just-a-No-2-14284971.php

 

 

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I'd rather have him on my bench than out there for other owners. He could very well be a top 20 receiver this year given the target share. Though the Raiders will likely suck, but glad to have him on a couple benches till we figure it out. 

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Going to have a good season as the Raiders' #1 receiver. I wonder if the Raiders trade for another #1/#2 though.

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Just now, devaster said:

Going to have a good season as the Raiders' #1 receiver. I wonder if the Raiders trade for another #1/#2 though.

 

Yeah, too bad Crabtree got signed not too long ago... would have been a good fit.

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6 minutes ago, TLBDS said:

 

Yeah, too bad Crabtree got signed not too long ago... would have been a good fit.

Good fit? LMAO...Crabtree is almost up for social security.

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3 minutes ago, blazehound said:

Good fit? LMAO...Crabtree is almost up for social security.

 

  1. LOL. True... but he's played with Carr. Not sure they got along though.
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  3. Does seem likely they would sign another more experienced WR to fill things out. Seems like a Duke Johnson type situation where they'll bring in a JAG and Tyrell will still be the primary guy to own.

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I think that J.J. Nelson will start on the outside opposite of Tyrell Williams now.  Either him or Ryan Grant because Hunter Renfrow is their slot guy.

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4 hours ago, marlin said:

 

You think?  I have him as my WR6 right now (or WR5 if AJ Green injury lingers)  and hoping he can work his way up to the flex spot

Look at his numbers when Allen was out. Just his 2nd year. He’s a stud, just been buried behind depth but now he’ll shine.

104/1,282/16

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2 hours ago, Born Sinner said:

Look at his numbers when Allen was out. Just his 2nd year. He’s a stud, just been buried behind depth but now he’ll shine.

104/1,282/16

 

So now he’s Jerry Rice.

The Packers helmet suits you, sir.

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54 minutes ago, Tommy Lee Jones said:

 

So now he’s Jerry Rice.

The Packers helmet suits you, sir.

Not what I gathered from his post.

What I gathered is he will be able take advantage of the opportunity to show he can be a WR1. I think he has the skills to do it too. 

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I think the yards could make sense, but 16 td's 😡. I don't think AB was even getting 16 tds.

 

This was his line in SD after Allen got hurt. 119/69/1059/7

 

He's a burner, so unless they start running him on more shorter routes (very possible) he may not hit 100 catches either.

 

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JJ Nelson is going to take the role of lid lifter.  Tyrell will take AB's role of featured target.  1200/7 is his floor if the Raiders offense functions decently well.  Of course, there are many reasons it might not.

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2 minutes ago, Nap Time said:

JJ Nelson is going to take the role of lid lifter.  Tyrell will take AB's role of featured target.  1200/7 is his floor if the Raiders offense functions decently well.  Of course, there are many reasons it might not.

That is a really high floor even if the offense functions well.

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Supple, long-bodied ex-Charger Tyrell Williams is worth the four-year, $44 million contract (with $22 million guaranteed) that he signed in free agency, but shaky fundamentals prohibit him from being a genuine No. 1 option. His effectiveness will dip because, with no dangerous receivers around Williams, defenses can afford to treat him like a No. 1. Williams averaged 813 yards a season catching balls from QB Philip Rivers in a stacked, well-honed Chargers offense. With safeties now rolling over the top of him, linebackers buzzing underneath him and No. 1 cornerbacks plastering to him, it’s doubtful he can top that his Chargers production, especially catching balls from Derek Carr, who is markedly more conservative than Rivers.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/07/antonio-brown-cut-oakland-raiders-receivers-tyrell-williams-jj-nelson

Sure he'll get more carries and damn straight I'm starting him, but we may need to temper our expectations.

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15 hours ago, Born Sinner said:

Look at his numbers when Allen was out. Just his 2nd year. He’s a stud, just been buried behind depth but now he’ll shine.

104/1,282/16

Yikes.   Love the confidence but he’s no wr1. Oakland needs to establish other threats or the entire offense will bog down regularly.  

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5 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:

Yikes.   Love the confidence but he’s no wr1. Oakland needs to establish other threats or the entire offense will bog down regularly.  

 

Exactly.  This Raiders team has dumpster fire written all over them.  Might be a good year to avoid all Raiders

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15 minutes ago, lla887 said:

 

Exactly.  This Raiders team has dumpster fire written all over them.  Might be a good year to avoid all Raiders

 

Someone will have to catch the 4000 yards or so of passing offense. Williams and Waller are my guesses to be the benefactors. As a couple of WW pickups, who can complain? These guys aren’t making or breaking your roster but can be great depth or trade pieces.

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