Derrick White 2019-2020 Outlook

[iowncrazyhair 1,208]

Good effort closing the game, just start him already Pop!

[Lifschitz 2,246]

That’s a Derrick Rose ish line. 

no threes no steals no blocks. He’s gotta show more in other areas before I trust this but last two games look better.

[7614 60]

Pop has the worst line ups in the NBA. Poeltl only 12 minutes. Derrick White looking weird out there. He dribbles The ball so high and narrow. He needs to increase his motor. Defensive stats have been almost non existent. 

[Jessie 162]

got more playing time tonight

Murray foul trouble?

[JooCraig 71]

20 minutes ago, Jessie said:

got more playing time tonight

Murray foul trouble?

I think Pop was just following through on the mins restriction. He wasn’t supposed to play today originally. Good to see White getting more run. 

[ROTY 838]

I wonder when Murrays upto full speed they start him and White together and stagger then ala harden/westbrook etc. That's the dream anyways. If they're replacing eachother exclusively at the 1 then both are majorly capped.

[Eltoro 518]

I think he's just too good/effective for him to be shackled to less than 25 mpg. Pop is too smart for that imo

[cbsholy 657]

The combination of Derrick White being good at basketball and Dejounte Murray's minutes restriction / not playing both ends of a B2B will keep White at a bare minimum of 20 minutes per game and I wouldn't be surprised at 24-26 minutes. I was down on White after the first couple games but that was moreso because of the uncertainty of his playing time with Murray looking like the clear alpha dog, and had nothing to do with White's ability. Seeing how the team is approaching Murray this season, I like White a lot more. I know Murray was in foul trouble tonight, but the fact that White's has taken advantage when he has been giving a little more playing time is a very good sign. 

[ROTY 838]

We also need to look at his inflated FG% over the last 2 games and usage. FG - 55% and 73% on 22% and 26% usage, after averaging FG 48% and 17% usage last season with murray out, makes this seem obviously unsustainable. 2x 20pt b2b games are nice to look at in the box score but we have to temper expectations imo.

[Eltoro 518]

2 minutes ago, ROTY said:

We also need to look at his inflated FG% over the last 2 games and usage. FG - 55% and 73% on 22% and 26% usage, after averaging FG 48% and 17% usage last season with murray out, makes this seem obviously unsustainable. 2x 20pt b2b games are nice to look at in the box score but we have to temper expectations imo.

I owned White last year, I have zero expectations of him averaging more than 14 or 15 ppg. There are way too many mouths to feed in SA. 
 

What he is very good at is getting you sneaky stats like steals, blocks, and threes on clean percentages. He's a fantasy friendly player, you just have to hope that he gets the ball enough to get you a bare minimum of points/assists. Because the rest of the stuff will buoy his value.

[ROTY 838]

6 minutes ago, Eltoro said:

I owned White last year, I have zero expectations of him averaging more than 14 or 15 ppg. There are way too many mouths to feed in SA. 
 

What he is very good at is getting you sneaky stats like steals, blocks, and threes on clean percentages. He's a fantasy friendly player, you just have to hope that he gets the ball enough to get you a bare minimum of points/assists. Because the rest of the stuff will buoy his value.

Every owner wins if he averages 14-15 tbh. Let's hope 

[Eltoro 518]

Just now, ROTY said:

Every owner wins if he averages 14-15 tbh. Let's hope 

Oh I meant that's probably his ceiling given the current roster construction. DD amd LMA have to eat, Gay is aggressive, and Mills/Beli are more inclined to snipe than to pass.  
 

That said, if he gives me 12-13 ppg with say 4 boards, 3-4 assists, and close to a 1/1/1 (hopefully with more 3s and steals), I'll be very happy. He actually won me blocks a couple times last year with his out of position blocks. 

[IT2 232]

10 pts with solid % and stocks is what i'm hoping to expect. Anything more would just be gravy

[freddo 378]

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/player-news/137172/dejounte-murray-playing-for-spurs-thursday-resting-friday

Should get big minutes tomorrow.

[Jessie 162]

36 minutes ago, freddo said:

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/player-news/137172/dejounte-murray-playing-for-spurs-thursday-resting-friday

Should get big minutes tomorrow.

yeah

probably only tomorrow

[stay_woke 1,089]

If he's floating around on any waivers and you have more adds for the week he should definitely be grabbed for tomorrow. Two big games in a row and now Dejounte out tomorrow, could be in for a real nice line.

[two0six 146]

Agreed Pop has a great way of making players play as hard possible for their minutes. If Murray + White are still balling Like this by the time Murrays minutes cap ends I believe White will play with Murray alot more.

[El_Chingon 1,799]

5 hours ago, Jessie said:

yeah

probably only tomorrow

I disagree, I think Murray will sit many more games as well.

[FantasyMamba 48]

I think he is definitely coming back on the 12T radar. As someone above mentioned, very fantasy friendly game with %'s, some peripheral stocks, REBS and then the normal guard stuff. 

He will be limited to around 25 minutes max but I think he can produce value as he gets more acclimated to his new role. He was a starter all year last year so there is clearly an adjustment period for him.

[Lifschitz 2,246]

He’s talented but I can see him being a frustrating player to own.

1. In the Clippers game, Murray was in foul trouble, Aldridge only scored 5 points, White was the only guy to show up next to DeRozan.

2. It’s not sustainable for him to keep shooting 60 to 70 percent every game. 

3. Even in these games where he shows out, pops limits him to 22 to 24 min even when they’re in striking range of the Clippers. That’s a red flag to me, he’s the only guy showing up and doesn’t even get rewarded with an additional 5 plus minutes. 

4. pops rotations are predicated on what he sees is working within a game, not on whether he needs to stick to a set plan for a period of time. If white misses an assignment or isn’t hitting his threes, that might cost him a couple minutes in that particular game. This no rhyme or reason attitude toward players is why SA players traditionally have never been fun to own outside of the main workhorses Pops like to ride every night.

5. what’s going to happen once Murray gets his minutes cap removed?

6. The defense isn’t respecting his jumper right now despite him hitting it. The clippers didn’t even bother defending him, they were sagging off completely. Almost every jumpshot he took he got a ton of space as they just opted to load up on other areas. 

I’m curious to see if he keeps this up whether his numbers will start to take a hit as they put more attention on him.

Lastly, seemingly every team now churns out multiple solid fantasy players, I’d place SA as one of the worst in that regard.

obviously you have to take a flier if you have bench fodder, I dropped him for Nunn after White’s second game and I haven’t looked back.

it’ll be a tad frustrating for me if he irons it out the rest of the year, but like I said while I trust him, I absolutely do not trust his coach.

Edited November 1, 2019 by Lifschitz

[FantasyMamba 48]

20 minutes ago, Lifschitz said:

He’s talented but I can see him being a frustrating player to own.

1. In the Clippers game, Murray was in foul trouble, Aldridge only scored 5 points, White was the only guy to show up next to DeRozan.

2. It’s not sustainable for him to keep shooting 60 to 70 percent every game. 

3. Even in these games where he shows out, pops limits him to 22 to 24 min even when they’re in striking range of the Clippers. That’s a red flag to me, he’s the only guy showing up and doesn’t even get rewarded with an additional 5 plus minutes. 

4. pops rotations are predicated on what he sees is working within a game, not on whether he needs to stick to a set plan for a period of time. If white misses an assignment or isn’t hitting his threes, that might cost him a couple minutes in that particular game. This no rhyme or reason attitude toward players is why SA players traditionally have never been fun to own outside of the main workhorses Pops like to ride every night.

5. what’s going to happen once Murray gets his minutes cap removed?

6. The defense isn’t respecting his jumper right now despite him hitting it. The clippers didn’t even bother defending him, they were sagging off completely. Almost every jumpshot he took he got a ton of space as they just opted to load up on other areas. 

I’m curious to see if he keeps this up whether his numbers will start to take a hit as they put more attention on him.

Lastly, seemingly every team now churns out multiple solid fantasy players, I’d place SA as one of the worst in that regard.

obviously you have to take a flier if you have bench fodder, I dropped him for Nunn after White’s second game and I haven’t looked back.

it’ll be a tad frustrating for me if he irons it out the rest of the year, but like I said while I trust him, I absolutely do not trust his coach.

 

Very good writeup. I actually just picked up House over White and you hit on some of the reasons I did that for even though I like White better as a basketball player.

I just don't see a pathway to any consistent minutes over 25 MPG. This is for a variety of factors including : Murray having his minutes cap removed, the spacing Spurs need with Murray and Derozan on the floor which leans them to Forbes, etc.

 

[Lifschitz 2,246]

13 minutes ago, FantasyMamba said:

 

Very good writeup. I actually just picked up House over White and you hit on some of the reasons I did that for even though I like White better as a basketball player.

I just don't see a pathway to any consistent minutes over 25 MPG. This is for a variety of factors including : Murray having his minutes cap removed, the spacing Spurs need with Murray and Derozan on the floor which leans them to Forbes, etc.

 

not to mention but he’s getting just 11 fga in these games..

it’s not like Nunn where he’s getting the most shots on the team. He’s hitting 60 to 70 percent on 11 shots, let’s say that goes down to 45 or 46 you’re looking at a 10 to 12 ppg scorer, it puts him right back in line with his averages last year.

I need to see a better situational role, more minutes, higher usage (shots/volume) before I endorse him.

[Eltoro 518]

50 minutes ago, Lifschitz said:

not to mention but he’s getting just 11 fga in these games..

it’s not like Nunn where he’s getting the most shots on the team. He’s hitting 60 to 70 percent on 11 shots, let’s say that goes down to 45 or 46 you’re looking at a 10 to 12 ppg scorer, it puts him right back in line with his averages last year.

I need to see a better situational role, more minutes, higher usage (shots/volume) before I endorse him.

They are two completely different types of players though. 
 

Over the last two month of last season White cracked the top 100 with only 10.5ppg in 26.8mpgbecause he put up a 1/1/1. He pitches in in different areas and doesn't really hurt you anywhere.

 

Nunn is a scorer with volume 3s and solid steals. I think he'll still be solid the rest of the year but I highly doubt he's launching 17 attempts a game once Butler is back up to speed.
 

White's upside is definitely more capped by Pop and the situation, but I think he's a decent gamble because one of the Spurs writers said Pop implied he might play White and Murray together once the minutes restriction is off. 

[hipriest69 840]

In roto I would roster White and only start him when Dejounte is sitting.  

 

I would start Nunn every single game until he retires.  

[kane 2,744]

12 hours ago, hipriest69 said:

In roto I would roster White and only start him when Dejounte is sitting.  

 

I think you should disappointed with his stat last night without D.Murray