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Why nobody here writes about players in terms of Head to Head points? 

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1 hour ago, Krk1 said:

Why nobody here writes about players in terms of Head to Head points? 

It's probably the least popular scoring format for fantasy. 

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41 minutes ago, PhillyBoy said:

It's probably the least popular scoring format for fantasy. 

That. And it’s the least skilltesting one.  Want advice for your points league?  Go look at the player’s finish last year and adjust up or down based on whether you think they will improve or decline.  

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3 hours ago, Krk1 said:

Why nobody here writes about players in terms of Head to Head points? 


Give it some time. You’re already seeing points leagues pick up steam over the last years; it’s a fun alternative for busy folks who want to control how active they need to be.

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2 hours ago, mcflywalker said:


Give it some time. You’re already seeing points leagues pick up steam over the last years; it’s a fun alternative for busy folks who want to control how active they need to be.

For sure man. I've been doing points for 15 years. Only way to go for me. Its gonna be the most popular format pretty soon. Even this year, rotoworld did a draft special on a points league, not category

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1 minute ago, Dominator83 said:

For sure man. I've been doing points for 15 years. Only way to go for me. Its gonna be the most popular format pretty soon. Even this year, rotoworld did a draft special on a points league, not category

I think there are a good deal of people here who do points leagues.  Most of my friends started out in roto and eventually went to points leagues. To me, Points leagues more closely mimic the real life game than categories do.

I did categories for a couple of years. I used to do it for both baseball and basketball (has anyone ever played roto football??). I had players on my team for basketball to bolster blocks and steals that really were not all that important to their NBA team winning or losing.

Roto takes a lot of work and analysis that points leagues don't. But when I had to start punting categories to win, I went to a points league and have never gone back.

Roto and points are two completely different games. So when I post here, I usually try and state I'm in a points league to minimize the confusion my post might cause when people playing categories read it.

And when I see posts from roto guys saying that so and so should be taken in the 4th round, I look at stats and projections to double check where they would be drafted in a point league league.  There is usually quite a difference.

There is a lot of good content that I get here even if it is mostly roto based. Minutes played, who is playing what position, battles for playing time, shooting %,  projections on scoring and playing time are all appreciated.

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Can anyone comment on Chriss, Dunn, Satoranksy, Payton?? These guys seem to be borderline-150 players that nobody talks about

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4 minutes ago, mtx said:

Can anyone comment on Chriss, Dunn, Satoranksy, Payton?? These guys seem to be borderline-150 players that nobody talks about

 

Marquese Chriss - He's not good at all. Clueless on the court. Makes dumb fouls; high foul rate. He's one of those players like Terrance Jones. If the minutes are there, fantasy value will follow.

 

Kris Dunn - Apart from not being good himself, he's really a bad fit next to LaVine. Can't play off the ball, can't knock down shots. Although he's a better defender than Sato, again, his downhill game is not ideal for this slow paced Bulls team. But if there are enough minutes, then he's comfortably in the top 75. 

 

Tomas Satoransky - See above. The best option at the 1 on the Bulls.

 

Elfrid Payton - The New York Knicks. That should be enough explanation. 

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2 minutes ago, Trench Mob said:

 

Marquese Chriss - He's not good at all. Clueless on the court. Makes dumb fouls; high foul rate. He's one of those players like Terrance Jones. If the minutes are there, fantasy value will follow.

 

Kris Dunn - Apart from not being good himself, he's really a bad fit next to LaVine. Can't play off the ball, can't knock down shots. Although he's a better defender than Sato, again, his downhill game is not ideal for this slow paced Bulls team. But if there are enough minutes, then he's comfortably in the top 75. 

 

Tomas Satoransky - See above. The best option at the 1 on the Bulls.

 

Elfrid Payton - The New York Knicks. That should be enough explanation. 

 

Oy that's rough, I thought I got a steal with Payton cause his stats looked decent from 2018 but I guess this ain't NO. Then again NO ain't that much better than Knicks.... 

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Sleepers - Bruno caboclo, bryn forbes, robert williams, rui hachimura, zubac, taurean prince, dedmon

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2 hours ago, Dominator83 said:

For sure man. I've been doing points for 15 years. Only way to go for me. Its gonna be the most popular format pretty soon. Even this year, rotoworld did a draft special on a points league, not category


My buds and I only do a points league with a modified scale.  Tried categories and it just didn't correlate effectively from a real basketball fan perspective.  3 blocks being essentially equal to 30-35 points is nonsensical.  
 

2 hours ago, mtx said:

Can anyone comment on Chriss, Dunn, Satoranksy, Payton?? These guys seem to be borderline-150 players that nobody talks about

 

- Chriss isn't a very good player, and the combo of Cauley-Stein coming back along with Kevon Looney being in the rotation makes it pretty dense.  Add on Draymond Green being a solid rebounder, and in a best case scenario you're getting maybe 20 minutes a game.  Definitely higher upside dudes available.  

- Dunn - No solidified role with Satoranksy on the team.  He's a continual injury risk, doesn't play well next to LaVine, and even last year without someone like Satoransky in the rotation was only getting limited play and benched.  As a TWolves fan, I was PISSED when they skipped over Buddy Hield and Jamal Murray to get him.  I would definitely stay away unless you like taking risks and really need steals.  

- Satoransky/Payton - good counting stats from both.  Sato can play 1-3, so also a boon.  However, both are on relatively poor teams and part of a position battle.  Out of the 4, these would be the 2 best to target in my view, but as late fliers vs. any type of guaranteed pick.    

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Thanks for all the thoughts guys. I didn't pay attention to the NBA Offseason so I am way off on everything......

Thoughts on Cody Zeller or Willy H?? 

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1 hour ago, mtx said:

Thanks for all the thoughts guys. I didn't pay attention to the NBA Offseason so I am way off on everything......

Thoughts on Cody Zeller or Willy H?? 

Zeller:  Rotofriendly guy who is pretty much a lock for top 75 value on a team which is one of the worst in history with absolutely no competition for minutes.  13/9/3/1/1 on excellent efficiency when healthy.  One of the highest injury risks in the league though. So just spend a dollar on him or a late round pick and see what happens.  

 

Willy-consensus undraftable.  

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1 minute ago, StifleTower2 said:

Zeller:  Rotofriendly guy who is pretty much a lock for top 75 value on a team which is one of the worst in history with absolutely no competition for minutes.  13/9/3/1/1 on excellent efficiency when healthy.  One of the highest injury risks in the league though. So just spend a dollar on him or a late round pick and see what happens.  

 

Willy-consensus undraftable.  

How about PJ Washington? Another multiple stocks game today

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15 minutes ago, t0087669 said:

How about PJ Washington? Another multiple stocks game today

Probably anyone on that team is worth a flyer/wire add if they have any chance at playing.  Then just drop them later if needs be.  

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On 10/12/2019 at 1:34 AM, Kriggly said:


My buds and I only do a points league with a modified scale.  Tried categories and it just didn't correlate effectively from a real basketball fan perspective.  3 blocks being essentially equal to 30-35 points is nonsensical.  

 

But 35 points will contribute in many categories. E.g. Fg, 3pms, FTs.... is not only the points

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22 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

Zeller:  Rotofriendly guy who is pretty much a lock for top 75 value on a team which is one of the worst in history with absolutely no competition for minutes.  13/9/3/1/1 on excellent efficiency when healthy.  One of the highest injury risks in the league though. So just spend a dollar on him or a late round pick and see what happens.  

 

Willy-consensus undraftable.  

Definitely Zeller over Willy. I had bought in to Zeller as a potential top-75 guy despite injury risk, but now he is a load management risk as well. Apparently he is sitting games in back-to-backs, and he could sit a lot with minor injuries with the Hornets tanking (or at least not competing for a playoff spot).

I was going to trade Noel for him in a 20 team dynasty ( 9cat H2H), but probably won't now. But that is also a weekly league (so missing games intermittently hurts worse), and there is a 5 trade limit per year (I have used 3 already and want to save my last 2).

21 minutes ago, a-rob said:

Caris Levert, not sure if he still qualifies as a sleeper. But I keep saying this, he will be an All-Star this year if Nets play well and contender for MIP award. D'loading was getting all the attention for Nets last season, but Levert was the best player for them before getting hurt and once again against the 76ers during the playoffs

I think his ADP is reasonable, but he should be ranked a little higher. But I think calling him a sleeper is fine if you think he will be a top-50 or so player like he showed potential at the start of last year. He hasn't had a great full season yet.

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Just now, tdye said:

Definitely Zeller over Willy. I had bought in to Zeller as a potential top-75 guy despite injury risk, but now he is a load management risk as well. Apparently he is sitting games in back-to-backs, and he could sit a lot with minor injuries with the Hornets tanking (or at least not competing for a playoff spot).

I was going to trade Noel for him in a 20 team dynasty ( 9cat H2H), but probably won't now. But that is also a weekly league (so missing games intermittently hurts worse), and there is a 5 trade limit per year (I have used 3 already and want to save my last 2).

I think his ADP is reasonable, maybe a little low. But I think calling him a sleeper is fine if you think he will be a top-50 or so player like he showed potential at the start of last year. He hasn't had a great full season yet.

Yeah, I was big on Zeller before the preseason, despite his obvious shaky history.  However, his preseason has been so mediocre that he's just another $1 flyer to me now.

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7 minutes ago, LosingEffort said:

After this preseason I say Anfernee Simons again

Finally we saw the Lillard-Simons-McCollum lineup

 

Yes its going to happen...if you can't stop anyone you might as well try to outscore them

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What is going on with ADPs from ESPN roto leagues?

Ben Simmons: 10.5

Pascal Siakam: 14.1

Montrezl Harrell: 41.4

DeAndre Jordan: 53.1

I confidently predict none of these hit those draft positions in value without punting multiple categories. Of course, these guys won't go that early in competitive leagues, and their Yahoo ADP is more reasonable. (25.5,29.5,81.9,98.1).

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54 minutes ago, tdye said:

What is going on with ADPs from ESPN roto leagues?

Ben Simmons: 10.5

Pascal Siakam: 14.1

Montrezl Harrell: 41.4

DeAndre Jordan: 53.1

I confidently predict none of these hit those draft positions in value without punting multiple categories. Of course, these guys won't go that early in competitive leagues, and their Yahoo ADP is more reasonable. (25.5,29.5,81.9,98.1).


Do those ADPs include points leagues?  Still too high for most of them, but makes more sense if that's the case.  

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2 hours ago, tdye said:

What is going on with ADPs from ESPN roto leagues?

Ben Simmons: 10.5

Pascal Siakam: 14.1

Montrezl Harrell: 41.4

DeAndre Jordan: 53.1

I confidently predict none of these hit those draft positions in value without punting multiple categories. Of course, these guys won't go that early in competitive leagues, and their Yahoo ADP is more reasonable. (25.5,29.5,81.9,98.1).

 

ESPN is garbage. I hate playing on that site. RoCo is ranked 111.. Come on now... 

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22 hours ago, LosingEffort said:

After this preseason I say Anfernee Simons again

Finally we saw the Lillard-Simons-McCollum lineup

 

I like his talent, but experimenting with lineups in preseason ≠ regular season lineups. If you need a per minute scorer he should be ok for some cheap points at the end of the draft, I just don't see the need to go gaga over a few preseason scoring lines - one of which (his best line) came when he was starting against Maccabi Haifa. Coby White is doing the same thing over for Chicago and no one is talking about him.

Are you going to tell me that Moritz Wagner is now the starting PF for Washington? 

That Chris Boucher is going to start at Center for the Toronto Raptors?

I can go on and on here..

Let's see if it happens during the regular season. The idea of 6'3 CJ McCollum at SF is pretty scary, they're going to get eaten on the block by big strong SFs. Your average SF is between 6'6 to 6'11.. They'll now have 6 foot Lillard defending shooting guards? I'm sorry but he's not Fred Van Vleet. 

I can see it in spurts when they want to quicken the pace and get on some fast scoring runs, but it's not going to be for long stretches or in every single game.

 

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6 hours ago, Kriggly said:


Do those ADPs include points leagues? 

 

Yes

ESPN also has Simmonds ranked 9 and Siakem 10 in their pre draft rankings which would be a contributing factor

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