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Nance is so sneaky good in this build...sneaky assists + steals without hurting your FG/TO (actually excellent FG and TO).  He also has 0.5 threes, and could push to 1.  Hopefully doesn't lower his FG too much.  

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11 hours ago, hipriest69 said:

Nance is so sneaky good in this build...sneaky assists + steals without hurting your FG/TO (actually excellent FG and TO).  He also has 0.5 threes, and could push to 1.  Hopefully doesn't lower his FG too much.  

The problem is that if it’s a snake draft by the time you’d pick him you already have enough rebounds.  So you’re picking him for his 3 assists/1.5 steals.  But if you’re doing that you may as well pick a guard like smart and you can’t draft just bigs.  

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4 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

The problem is that if it’s a snake draft by the time you’d pick him you already have enough rebounds.  So you’re picking him for his 3 assists/1.5 steals.  But if you’re doing that you may as well pick a guard like smart and you can’t draft just bigs.  

 

That was the dilemma.  There's another team that's a strong big team that's punting assists, so I felt like I needed the FG/Reb boost as well to keep up.  The assists and steals from a big was super gravy and helps me add small stats while still boosting FG.  Super worth it imo.  

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Problem with punt ft/points is picking up enough threes to the point you're not hurting your fg. Guys like BroLo, Draymond, and Joe Harris become vital in this build and there is no guarantee you get them in snake drafts

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5 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

The problem is that if it’s a snake draft by the time you’d pick him you already have enough rebounds.  So you’re picking him for his 3 assists/1.5 steals.  But if you’re doing that you may as well pick a guard like smart and you can’t draft just bigs.  

 

I was kind of targeting Smart but was able to get Pat Beverley a round or two later, Clippers have more quality games in H2H.

 

38 minutes ago, Fantasyscrub said:

Problem with punt ft/points is picking up enough threes to the point you're not hurting your fg. Guys like BroLo, Draymond, and Joe Harris become vital in this build and there is no guarantee you get them in snake drafts

 

This is also true with both threes and assists (I had a chance to take Rubio but passed, as I felt he doesnt get enough 3's and his low FG and high TO would actually hurt my team.  At some point in the draft you have to kind of choose to triple punt - is it going to be assists or 3's?  Or at the least soft punt one of them.  If I were able to get Simmons at some point I would consider punting 3's and dominating assists.  

 

Btw I literally just took Joe Harris in the 10th in this build, as he's the highest 3 point shooter who actually helps your FG, and he also chips in some counting stats as well.  My next 3 bench picks will probably be 3's and a backup PG, maybe another big who shoots 3...(I have a player who's Kristaps / Zach Collins lite in this build who's super sick and you can probably get with your last pick).  Anyway, I'll lose assists to the assist heavy teams some weeks, and lose 3's to the heavy 3 teams some weeks, but I feel like no one can beat me 5-4, and I have a path to beat almost every team 6-3.  I'm really liking this build.  I'm sure it is 10,000 x easier in an auction league. 

 

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56 minutes ago, Fantasyscrub said:

Problem with punt ft/points is picking up enough threes to the point you're not hurting your fg. Guys like BroLo, Draymond, and Joe Harris become vital in this build and there is no guarantee you get them in snake drafts

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.  If you drafted Capela and Gobert, those guys go around 13/20 for the field.  A lot of the three point specialists are around 4/10, or better.  Suppose you drafted three of them, combining for 12/30.  You’d still be sitting at 50 FG%.  Draymond is one of the best players to target because he does everything you want.  Pretty sure you can get him in third in 90% of drafts.

 

 Brolo and Harris are far from necessary. If you drafted properly you overdrafted rebounds and blocks and are full of centers.  I wouldn’t even target brolo in this build at his ADP.  Joe Harris is whatever.  Just another guy. 

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43 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.  If you drafted Capela and Gobert, those guys go around 13/20 for the field.  A lot of the three point specialists are around 4/10, or better.  Suppose you drafted three of them, combining for 12/30.  You’d still be sitting at 50 FG%.  Draymond is one of the best players to target because he does everything you want.  Pretty sure you can get him in third in 90% of drafts.

 

 Brolo and Harris are far from necessary. If you drafted properly you overdrafted rebounds and blocks and are full of centers.  I wouldn’t even target brolo in this build at his ADP.  Joe Harris is whatever.  Just another guy. 

 

agreed but threes and assists definitely becomes a problem, especially assists but I'm going to go with this build this year because I'm a massive fan of Drummond + gobert and it's too hard to build around them without punting FT

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45 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.  If you drafted Capela and Gobert, those guys go around 13/20 for the field.  A lot of the three point specialists are around 4/10, or better.  Suppose you drafted three of them, combining for 12/30.  You’d still be sitting at 50 FG%.  Draymond is one of the best players to target because he does everything you want.  Pretty sure you can get him in third in 90% of drafts.

 

 Brolo and Harris are far from necessary. If you drafted properly you overdrafted rebounds and blocks and are full of centers.  I wouldn’t even target brolo in this build at his ADP.  Joe Harris is whatever.  Just another guy. 

Agreed theres no reason to target Brolo in that build. Guys like Myles Turner and Lopez derive so much value as bigs because of their ability to block shots without a negative impact on FTs. 

I’ve personally been high on an AD and Drummond in a punt FT pairing all off season. Can essentially have two top 5 players for a much lower cost. One player with injury risk and the other is as durable as they come.

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You're punting points/FT bc you drafted Drummond/Gobert/Draymond, for example.  If you started with that trio you're dominating FG, Reb, Blocks.  Punting points/FT.  Assists, steals, threes, TO are at play.  Though you're also doing well in assists, steals due to having Draymond/Drummond.  You also have two centers, a forward, and zero guards.  You know that you can pick Adams up later as your third center because you're the only one in punt FT.  He will further reinforce rebounds, stocks, FG.  So who do you pick in the fourth? 

 

It makes no sense to pick another center.  Then you would have three centers and no guards.

 

Lopez is good for teams who want a center without hurting their FT%.  Maybe a team who already has someone like Turner and is willing to lose rebounds to win blocks.

 

If you know you need assists, steals, and threes and are also shallow in guards then it makes sense to pick a guard.  Maybe Conley or Lowry.  I picked Lowry in a similar position.  It might seem odd to pick a guard who might go 5/12 from the field but you're winning FG 9/10 matches anyway.  You really don't need things to artificially try to buoy it, having 60%+  FG centers is good enough.

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These days there's usually 2~3 managers semi-punting FT% when they get any two of Giannis, Lebron, Drummond, Gobert, Luka, Simmons, Draymond, Capela, then chase Adams in the mid rounds. Getting three~four of these guys puts you in the drivers seat for that strategy. (FG%, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO)

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On 8/28/2019 at 11:36 AM, StifleTower2 said:

You're punting points/FT bc you drafted Drummond/Gobert/Draymond, for example.  If you started with that trio you're dominating FG, Reb, Blocks.  Punting points/FT.  Assists, steals, threes, TO are at play.  Though you're also doing well in assists, steals due to having Draymond/Drummond.  You also have two centers, a forward, and zero guards.  You know that you can pick Adams up later as your third center because you're the only one in punt FT.  He will further reinforce rebounds, stocks, FG.  So who do you pick in the fourth? 

 

It makes no sense to pick another center.  Then you would have three centers and no guards.

 

Lopez is good for teams who want a center without hurting their FT%.  Maybe a team who already has someone like Turner and is willing to lose rebounds to win blocks.

 

If you know you need assists, steals, and threes and are also shallow in guards then it makes sense to pick a guard.  Maybe Conley or Lowry.  I picked Lowry in a similar position.  It might seem odd to pick a guard who might go 5/12 from the field but you're winning FG 9/10 matches anyway.  You really don't need things to artificially try to buoy it, having 60%+  FG centers is good enough.

 

6 hours ago, apacheblues said:

These days there's usually 2~3 managers semi-punting FT% when they get any two of Giannis, Lebron, Drummond, Gobert, Luka, Simmons, Draymond, Capela, then chase Adams in the mid rounds. Getting three~four of these guys puts you in the drivers seat for that strategy. (FG%, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO)

 

This is what you have to watch for in FT punt...there are other owners with lowish FT / semi - punt, and all it takes is a little run on bigs and one of them to say f-it and take the plunge and draft Adams as the last relevant big who also kills it in steals.  I tried to wait in a recent draft but there was a huge run on bigs and my strategy was predicated on getting Adams to help with steals / FG / reb, so I felt like I had to bite in the late 5th to solidify my build.  

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5 minutes ago, hipriest69 said:

 

 

This is what you have to watch for in FT punt...there are other owners with lowish FT / semi - punt, and all it takes is a little run on bigs and one of them to say f-it and take the plunge and draft Adams as the last relevant big who also kills it in steals.  I tried to wait in a recent draft but there was a huge run on bigs and my strategy was predicated on getting Adams to help with steals / FG / reb, so I felt like I had to bite in the late 5th to solidify my build.  

 

So my picks after 6 rounds - Lebron, Drummond, Lowry, Bro-Lo, Adams, CJ.  Everything green except FT.  Taking Lebron first to pair with Drummond instead of Gobert allows me to be competitive in points / 3's / assists off the bat, with good FG and reb, then fortify later with Adams and hopefully another decent FG players somewhere in there (can also take Dwight Howard with your last pick which I did).  

 

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27 minutes ago, hipriest69 said:

 

 

This is what you have to watch for in FT punt...there are other owners with lowish FT / semi - punt, and all it takes is a little run on bigs and one of them to say f-it and take the plunge and draft Adams as the last relevant big who also kills it in steals.  I tried to wait in a recent draft but there was a huge run on bigs and my strategy was predicated on getting Adams to help with steals / FG / reb, so I felt like I had to bite in the late 5th to solidify my build.  

1: LeBron/Giannis; 2: Drummond/Stifle; 3: Draymond or Capela; 4: Draymond or Otto; 5: Adams.  

 

You have FG, Reb, Blocks pretty much on lockdown.  At least keeping pace with assists and steals.  You should have a lead in TO too but we know how fickle this category can be. At this point guards such as Smart/Teague are still available.  It’s actually not that difficult to find either assists or steals.  The only thing is that at this point it’s one or the other but guards won’t have both.  Then there are also the Oubres and Bridges of the world.  You should be able to at least win FG, Reb, Stocks.  That’s four cats.  From there you should either win assists or TO in almost every match.  It will be difficult for another team to win assists without losing TO.  Therefore, you have five cats on near lockdown. 

 

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On 8/28/2019 at 2:36 PM, StifleTower2 said:

You're punting points/FT bc you drafted Drummond/Gobert/Draymond, for example.  If you started with that trio you're dominating FG, Reb, Blocks.  Punting points/FT.  Assists, steals, threes, TO are at play.  Though you're also doing well in assists, steals due to having Draymond/Drummond.  You also have two centers, a forward, and zero guards.  You know that you can pick Adams up later as your third center because you're the only one in punt FT.  He will further reinforce rebounds, stocks, FG.  So who do you pick in the fourth? 

 

It makes no sense to pick another center.  Then you would have three centers and no guards.

 

Lopez is good for teams who want a center without hurting their FT%.  Maybe a team who already has someone like Turner and is willing to lose rebounds to win blocks.

 

If you know you need assists, steals, and threes and are also shallow in guards then it makes sense to pick a guard.  Maybe Conley or Lowry.  I picked Lowry in a similar position.  It might seem odd to pick a guard who might go 5/12 from the field but you're winning FG 9/10 matches anyway.  You really don't need things to artificially try to buoy it, having 60%+  FG centers is good enough.

 

Draymond will get you assists but Drummond won't, his assists went from 3 to 1.5 when Griffin came to down.  They play the high post with Griffin driving to the basket and passing it out.  I don't see Drummond getting more than 1.8 a game

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1 minute ago, Fantasyscrub said:

 

Draymond will get you assists but Drummond won't, his assists went from 3 to 1.5 when Griffin came to down.  They play the high post with Griffin driving to the basket and passing it out.  I don't see Drummond getting more than 1.8 a game

I wasn’t implying that.  I meant that you’re punting because you have a team that has either Drummond or Stifle in the second then Draymond in the third.  The whole point being that it’s dumb to take Lopez in the fourth when players more complimentary to the build are available.  I was replying to someone who said BroLo is necessary in the build. 

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16 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

1: LeBron/Giannis; 2: Drummond/Stifle; 3: Draymond or Capela; 4: Draymond or Otto; 5: Adams.  

 

You have FG, Reb, Blocks pretty much on lockdown.  At least keeping pace with assists and steals.  You should have a lead in TO too but we know how fickle this category can be. At this point guards such as Smart/Teague are still available.  It’s actually not that difficult to find either assists or steals.  The only thing is that at this point it’s one or the other but guards won’t have both.  Then there are also the Oubres and Bridges of the world.  You should be able to at least win FG, Reb, Stocks.  That’s four cats.  From there you should either win assists or TO in almost every match.  It will be difficult for another team to win assists without losing TO.  Therefore, you have five cats on near lockdown. 

 

 

Exactly, I took both Smart and Teague later so I've pretty much locked up assists and steals.  

 

I thought about Draymond there in the 3rd but opted for Lowry as I wanted more points and threes (and Lowry was ranked higher in this build, I think).  Then went with Lopez as there was already a run on bigs and I found his blocks more valuable to me at that point than Otto's steals, as blocks were drying up quick and I can make up steals later (and Lopez was super high in totals last year...sorry I forgot to specify I'm a donkey and this is roto not h2h lol...wanted to experiment in a cheap league with a punt FT team).  

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DRE won me the league last season. Drafted him 8th before Jokic and Embiid. It panned out and Andre was a beast for the playoff weeks.

Points league it was obviously.

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6 hours ago, JormaJormala said:

DRE won me the league last season. Drafted him 8th before Jokic and Embiid. It panned out and Andre was a beast for the playoff weeks.

Points league it was obviously.

I’d consider Drummond over Embiid and maybe Jokic in H2H 9 cat as well.  He should lead the league in rebounds again.  3+ stocks and distributed in a way that’s easier to work with than 2 blocks/1 steal because despite blocks being worth more than steals generally, it’s easier to get more blocks from another big when punting.  Their FG% are all sort of similar and Drummond gets the lowest TO of three.  Scores almost as much as Jokic.  With Embiid’s missed games if I was drafting past 10 I’d probably try to land Lebron/Drummond combo at 10/15 over Embiid and a guard.  Idgaf about my FT in H2H, you can punt one category quite easily. 

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4 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

I’d consider Drummond over Embiid and maybe Jokic in H2H 9 cat as well.

I have 10th pick in my only standard league. Is Drummond possible in 1st round? I still think there are better options at 10th pick.

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16 minutes ago, apatas said:

I have 10th pick in my only standard league. Is Drummond possible in 1st round? I still think there are better options at 10th pick.

Depends on who is available.  If I recall you’re in a 20 deep league so you might have to get someone with a more diverse skillset there considering how long it will be until your second pick.  However, Drummond had a stretch last year in which he was first in punt FT (obviously) and top five even without punting.  If people are willing to talk about MitchRob being top 15 during that stretch then they should also acknowledge Drummond was top 5 and Booker was 6th in 8 cat during that same period.  Also, in H2H the biggest difference is that percentages matter less but things like playoff schedule and durability matter a lot more.  I think Detroit will be fighting Chicago for the 8th seed and Drummond is one of the most durable bigs in the NBA.  I’ll take 80 Drummond games over 60 Embiid games any day. 

 

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On 8/25/2019 at 7:09 PM, Quazza said:

seeing he,Gobert and Vuc  going right around each other in mocks

How would people rank them?

1. Drummond
2. Gobert
3. Vuc

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I love Drummond and it's my third year with him in a keeper league but one thing I noticed: You need minimum one block specialist paired with him (together with the other players and their medium block rate). He is not the player that wins you this categorie in a week alone. On the bright side of this, he wasn't as much in foul trouble as the years before (except when he plays against Embiid). Brolo, Turner, Robinson, Gobert, McGee were partly miles ahead of him concerning the block numbers.

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1 minute ago, dorwell said:

I love Drummond and it's my third year with him in a keeper league but one thing I noticed: You need minimum one block specialist paired with him (together with the other players and their medium block rate). He is not the player that wins you this categorie in a week alone. On the bright side of this, he wasn't as much in foul trouble as the years before (except when he plays against Embiid). Brolo, Turner, Robinson, Gobert, McGee were partly miles ahead of him concerning the block numbers.

Truth, but where he lacks in blocks he makes up with out of position steals.  If you can pair a blocks specialist and a steals specialist with him, you end up dominating both categories.

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