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The way he defend Bradley f'n Beal on ISO's lol... Who is this dude? 

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3 minutes ago, Trench Mob said:

The way he defend Bradley f'n Beal on ISO's lol... Who is this dude? 

 

The second coming of Thy Lord Covington. He has blessed us with his prodigy.

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I'm on board, with my last pick. 

Brett Brown is saying the right things. See below. Their bench crew is weak, which means Matisse could be the first guy off the bench. Josh at 1, Matisse at 2 can lock down all comers. If he has got to beat Furkan and Ennis, that's not so much to beat.

Also, Philly could be in a position to be up big in a lot of games this season, to have extended garbage time in the 4th Q. 

The pestering D speaks for itself, and his stroke from 3 looks legit.

Last round, 20-min 3s and steals specialist.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

Last round, 20-min 3s and stocks specialist.

He also blocks

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2 hours ago, Tom Chambers said:

Stocks means steals and blocks

Lol it took me until this season to figure this out

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4 hours ago, Tom Chambers said:

Stocks means steals and blocks

He knew it. 

He fixed from steals to bold stocks.

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Watched a mini-documentary about his life this morning - don’t watch it 😭

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Do you guys see him averaging at least 10 PPG with 1 three? Seems like the stocks won’t be an issue but I’m worried about the other stats when there seems to be a plethora of impact-making rookies this year

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4 minutes ago, taenggg said:

O/U 3.5 stocks for the new stocks God? 

I picked him up everywhere that I could.  If he's playing he will get the over.  Unfortunately, its a pure gamble imo.  I know you guys are excited but I think there's maybe a 25% chance he gets enough minutes for him to hit those numbers.  Still worth a pickup or late pick just to see.  Obviously.

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30 minutes ago, DoctorLove said:

Do you guys see him averaging at least 10 PPG with 1 three? Seems like the stocks won’t be an issue but I’m worried about the other stats when there seems to be a plethora of impact-making rookies this year

I do not see it at the beginning of the season. Probably like around 9ppg and .8 three. I do see it being over 10 ppg and 1 three by mid December.

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my expectation:

23 mins per game

.405 / .780 / 9 pt / 1 3pm / 3 rb / 1.5 ast / 2.3 stl / 1.1 blk 

 

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9 minutes ago, guyhaha said:

my expectation:

23 mins per game

.405 / .780 / 9 pt / 1 3pm / 3 rb / 1.5 ast / 2.3 stl / 1.1 blk 

 

I think that line is around top 90

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Josh Lloyd was saying in his podcast about preseason and rotations that his stocks alone (1.8 steals and a block a game) with 6 points is 12 team worthy.

 

My projections:

20 mins per game.

40%/ 80%/ 10 pts/1 3 pm/ 3 rebounds/2 assists/2 steals/1 block 

 

That line is around the top 80 imo. 

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25 minutes ago, j3rkthenurk said:

Josh Lloyd was saying in his podcast about preseason and rotations that his stocks alone (1.8 steals and a block a game) with 6 points is 12 team worthy.

 

My projections:

20 mins per game.

40%/ 80%/ 10 pts/1 3 pm/ 3 rebounds/2 assists/2 steals/1 block 

 

That line is around the top 80 imo. 

 

Looking at last year, per 36 the league leaders in steals were at 2.3/2.4.

Projecting 2 stls per 20 mins comes out to a rate of almost 3.6.

Similarly, in blocks Johny Isaac led all non centers with a rate of 1.7, projecting a block per 20 mins gives a rate of 1.8 per 36.

I have a feeling players will be more careful around him if it continues in games.

 

All that to say that even if he's elite, I expect him to get less stocks in only 20 mins unless his playing time comes up. Maybe 1.4 stls (2.55 p36) and 0.9 blocks and even that might be pushing it

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12 minutes ago, chaiway said:

 

Looking at last year, per 36 the league leaders in steals were at 2.3/2.4.

Projecting 2 stls per 20 mins comes out to a rate of almost 3.6.

Similarly, in blocks Johny Isaac led all non centers with a rate of 1.7, projecting a block per 20 mins gives a rate of 1.8 per 36.

I have a feeling players will be more careful around him if it continues in games.

 

All that to say that even if he's elite, I expect him to get less stocks in only 20 mins unless his playing time comes up. Maybe 1.4 stls (2.55 p36) and 0.9 blocks and even that might be pushing it

 

I don't disagree with you in regards to opponents being more alert when Matisse is on the floor, but let's consider his college numbers:

3.5 steals and 2.3 block in 31 minutes what he achieved last year. 

His numbers in preseason:

2.6 steals and 1.4 blocks in 19 minutes. 

 

Although the preseason numbers might be inflated, I still think his ability to achieve 2 steals and a block in limited time is still possible and certainly achievable. 

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10 minutes ago, chaiway said:

 

Looking at last year, per 36 the league leaders in steals were at 2.3/2.4.

Projecting 2 stls per 20 mins comes out to a rate of almost 3.6.

Similarly, in blocks Johny Isaac led all non centers with a rate of 1.7, projecting a block per 20 mins gives a rate of 1.8 per 36.

I have a feeling players will be more careful around him if it continues in games.

 

All that to say that even if he's elite, I expect him to get less stocks in only 20 mins unless his playing time comes up. Maybe 1.4 stls (2.55 p36) and 0.9 blocks and even that might be pushing it

I think he is on another level for defense.
He will be definitely a DPOY candidate within 2 yrs, and his STL will hit 3.5 per game if he can get 36 minutes.

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I had to go back to 2010-2011 to find a per 36 rate of 3.1 (Tony Allen).

 

In that year he played 21.1mins/gm and ranked 89th on stats of

9.1/2.7/1.5 w/ 0.1 3s 1.8 stls 0.6 blk on 51%/75% and 1.2 tos

 

That does give more hope that it's doable but I'll still take the strong under on 2 stls/1blk in 20 mins

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5 minutes ago, chaiway said:

I had to go back to 2010-2011 to find a per 36 rate of 3.1 (Tony Allen).

 

In that year he played 21.1mins/gm and ranked 89th on stats of

9.1/2.7/1.5 w/ 0.1 3s 1.8 stls 0.6 blk on 51%/75% and 1.2 tos

 

That does give more hope that it's doable but I'll still take the strong under on 2 stls/1blk in 20 mins

Tony Allen was the comp I already had in mind, I also take the under this year.  But I think he has more upside.

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This guy's projections will be all over the place, because we really don't know how many minutes he can get or how the team will use him. But I think Coach Brett sees what we see: a lockdown defender who can be brought in to dog the opponent's lead guards on the perimeter. 

My line is similar to others earlier in the thread:

7 points, 0.8 3pm, 4 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.2 steals, 1.2 blks, on 45% FG/87% FT

Very much like grit and grind Tony Allen.

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24 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

This guy's projections will be all over the place, because we really don't know how many minutes he can get or how the team will use him. But I think Coach Brett sees what we see: a lockdown defender who can be brought in to dog the opponent's lead guards on the perimeter. 

My line is similar to others earlier in the thread:

7 points, 0.8 3pm, 4 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.2 steals, 1.2 blks, on 45% FG/87% FT

Very much like grit and grind Tony Allen.

87%ft that would be glorious

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24 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

This guy's projections will be all over the place, because we really don't know how many minutes he can get or how the team will use him. But I think Coach Brett sees what we see: a lockdown defender who can be brought in to dog the opponent's lead guards on the perimeter. 

My line is similar to others earlier in the thread:

7 points, 0.8 3pm, 4 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.2 steals, 1.2 blks, on 45% FG/87% FT

Very much like grit and grind Tony Allen.

I like it, though I think 2.2 steals in what will prob be 20mins (ish) is optimistic. If you had said something around 1.6 - 1.7 I'd be a believer.

 

Philly is going to be FUN man.

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31 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

This guy's projections will be all over the place, because we really don't know how many minutes he can get or how the team will use him. But I think Coach Brett sees what we see: a lockdown defender who can be brought in to dog the opponent's lead guards on the perimeter. 

My line is similar to others earlier in the thread:

7 points, 0.8 3pm, 4 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.2 steals, 1.2 blks, on 45% FG/87% FT

Very much like grit and grind Tony Allen.

 

87% is too high. He has never hit that mark and he is an inconsistent FT shooter. I would probably put that at 75-80%

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