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It said he didn't take contact in practice.  Don't know why you guys are so surprised.

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Hey ... all you Holmes bro’s 

 

should we be worried about Len and Parker? 
 

not so much concerned about Parker, but a healthy Alex Len could be a problem. 

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all in on Holmes ROS just traded joker for holmes +

bagley looks like he isnt close to coming back

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contemplating offering conley.. hope it’s enough. only time value will be this low 

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1 hour ago, colepenhagen said:

all in on Holmes ROS just traded joker for holmes +


I hope this is a joke.

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10 hours ago, Eltoro said:


I hope this is a joke.

well the + was sga

im full punt assist so joker didnt really fit my team. have been trying to move joker + for AD or KAt all year with no luck.

with holmes and sga i gain a substantial boost to my stocks without taking much of a hit in any other cat maybe minimal in pts and reb which is a win for me. assuming sga stocks stay close to 2.5. gaining 5 stocks from holmes and sga vs joker and stream is pretty huge

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10 minutes ago, colepenhagen said:

well the + was sga

im full punt assist so joker didnt really fit my team. have been trying to move joker + for AD or KAt all year with no luck.

with holmes and sga i gain a substantial boost to my stocks without taking much of a hit in any other cat maybe minimal in pts and reb which is a win for me. assuming sga stocks stay close to 2.5. gaining 5 stocks from holmes and sga vs joker and stream is pretty huge

 

Dont matter who the + was unless its not a top 10 player you got jipped.

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1 minute ago, stickman786 said:

 

Dont matter who the + was unless its not a top 10 player you got jipped.

ha thats not true. you trade for stats not ranking. point still stands holmes should beast ROS

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18 minutes ago, colepenhagen said:

ha thats not true. you trade for stats not ranking. point still stands holmes should beast ROS

 

The rankings are based off of stats. Can Jokic + a scrub on the wire produce more the holmes + SGA collectively? YES! Now imagine you had jokic and picked up christian wood during the trade deadline... The point is Jokic is ranked there for a reason. He produces out of position stats and all around stats as single player. Sure you can say maybe SGA + Holmes produces slightly better stats then JOKIC himself.. but once you put even a clarkson next to jokic that 2 on 2 favors the jokic side. Also.. Holmes was injured.. you could of traded an underperforming player for him. instead you traded your first rounder at his PEAK for an injured holmes and SGA. You jipped yourself. And im a proud holmes owner that traded myles turner for him. But you just set yourself back. Regardless good luck lol.

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1 minute ago, stickman786 said:

 

The rankings are based off of stats. Can Jokic + a scrub on the wire produce more the holmes + SGA collectively? YES! Now imagine you had jokic and picked up christian wood during the trade deadline... The point is Jokic is ranked there for a reason. He produces out of position stats and all around stats as single player. Sure you can say maybe SGA + Holmes produces slightly better stats then JOKIC himself.. but once you put even a clarkson next to jokic that 2 on 2 favors the jokic side. Also.. Holmes was injured.. you could of traded an underperforming player for him. instead you traded your first rounder at his PEAK for an injured holmes and SGA. You jipped yourself. And im a proud holmes owner that traded myles turner for him. But you just set yourself back. Regardless good luck lol.

you need to work on math if you think clarkson and joker =>sga and holmes. btw holmes is ranked 11 on the year straight punt assist

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19 minutes ago, stickman786 said:

 

The rankings are based off of stats. Can Jokic + a scrub on the wire produce more the holmes + SGA collectively? YES! Now imagine you had jokic and picked up christian wood during the trade deadline... The point is Jokic is ranked there for a reason. He produces out of position stats and all around stats as single player. Sure you can say maybe SGA + Holmes produces slightly better stats then JOKIC himself.. but once you put even a clarkson next to jokic that 2 on 2 favors the jokic side. Also.. Holmes was injured.. you could of traded an underperforming player for him. instead you traded your first rounder at his PEAK for an injured holmes and SGA. You jipped yourself. And im a proud holmes owner that traded myles turner for him. But you just set yourself back. Regardless good luck lol.

Bro are you reading what he’s saying. Look at the context. He just said he’s punting assists so 1 of Jokic’s strongest of the 7 cats he’s great at is gone. 
 

regardless of any of that shittt it might not be the best trade but he definitely didn’t get jipped. Holmes is a 2nd rounder ROS and sga has absolutely been balling. 

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2 minutes ago, DonutGiveUp said:

There has to be something more here it can’t be soreness. Kings the worst at disclosing info 

probably unlikely. sac on win streak, give him an extra week plus makes sense

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Just get him cherry ripe for after ASB. 

Sucks for those fighting for a playoff spot but i'm sitting top 2 and with Bagley pretty much gone for the season, Holmes is a league winner if he's fit. 

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3 minutes ago, Eltoro said:

If Holmes was healthy then it would be an okay (not good but defensible based on punts) deal. But Holmes is not healthy and it is unclear what is up with him.  
 

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-richaun-holmes-dealing-shoulder-soreness-return-mystery

Holmes is healthy. Practiced in full contact and had some soreness which is expected. He’ll be back after asb healthy hungry and fresh. Our boy might not have gotten the best return possible but if his team is already good in points then he’s the winner in the deal. Holmes about to go beast mode 

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16 hours ago, colepenhagen said:

all in on Holmes ROS just traded joker for holmes +

bagley looks like he isnt close to coming back

 

14 hours ago, Eltoro said:


I hope this is a joke.

 

That type of trade is fine.

 

But if that "+' was let's say... Trying to think of a dude that got picked up and dropped like dozen times. Eric Paschall ( this is just an example ). Then that'll be a problem. I can't stand it when someone does that then have the nerve to put the waiver on a trading block lol. Like really man? At that point I wouldn't even hit the reject button right away. Just let the trade sit there and marinate. 

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5 hours ago, Flamez said:

Bro are you reading what he’s saying. Look at the context. He just said he’s punting assists so 1 of Jokic’s strongest of the 7 cats he’s great at is gone. 
 

regardless of any of that shittt it might not be the best trade but he definitely didn’t get jipped. Holmes is a 2nd rounder ROS and sga has absolutely been balling. 

 

I Like how he upvoted your take when he said "ranks" don't matter.. yet you're pointing out he's a "Second rounder." The way Jokic is playing right now he could have traded jokic for KAT... or for a shallow + 1. KAT Is the ultimate Punt assist player. Why not do that instead of trading for Holmes + SGA?

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5 hours ago, colepenhagen said:

you need to work on math if you think clarkson and joker =>sga and holmes. btw holmes is ranked 11 on the year straight punt assist

 

Lets do some math here! 

A: 32.6 ppg ,1.2 3pm, 14.rpg ,4.2 apg, 2.3 spg, 2.1 bpg ,3.2 TO ,53.2% , 81+%

B: 35.3 ppg 3.3 3pm  12.7 rpg, 8.8 apg 1.8 spg 1.0 bpg 4.2  TO  , 49.% 81+%.

 

So my point stands... The stats are virtually identical lmao. You literally get a boost in 1 ablock from doing this trade... and thats compared to Jokic+ Clarkson who brings down the FG%. Imagine if you had a nerlens. or a christian wood next to jokic.. you'd get even a bigger boost compared to trading for holmes and SGA. You just traded to get a "Boost" in something you couldve done by picking up a waiver wire specialist. instead of trading for a star that can fit your PUNT Assist team.. like a Towns... you opted to down grade. Its an okay move but turns into a dumb one when you realize holmes is injured and you couldve sniped him off the opponents roster by trading some other players for him instead of Jokic lol. Come on now.

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3 hours ago, Flamez said:

Holmes is healthy. Practiced in full contact and had some soreness which is expected. He’ll be back after asb healthy hungry and fresh. Our boy might not have gotten the best return possible but if his team is already good in points then he’s the winner in the deal. Holmes about to go beast mode 


Did you read that article? 
 


“He did not practice today,” Walton said. “He was a little sore this morning, he did the non-contact portion of practice, which was probably about 20 percent of our practice today."  



If he comes back after ASB that's still injured and his value should be discounted appropriately. I wouldn't send an absolute beast like Jokic for a question mark. 

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Errr ... I'm just gonna ignore the Joker discussion and move on from that.  I've got Holmes in a few leagues and if I could move his injured butt for red-hot Joker ... Well, I'd probably try to find a more competitive league.

Anyway, although I really could've used Holmes the last few weeks, it's actually not bad that he'll be held out after the ASB.  I'm thinking if he's still sore and not fully practicing, this length of time to rest should probably be enough for him to get fully healthy, given he's missed over a month of games.  Kings probably shouldn't lean on Len for heavy minutes and Bagley's pretty much a joke at this point.  

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42 minutes ago, Eltoro said:


Did you read that article? 
 


“He did not practice today,” Walton said. “He was a little sore this morning, he did the non-contact portion of practice, which was probably about 20 percent of our practice today."  



If he comes back after ASB that's still injured and his value should be discounted appropriately. I wouldn't send an absolute beast like Jokic for a question mark. 

Imma be very honest with you and I mean this with no absolutely disrespect whatsoever because I love most of my brothers in here. But no matter what you or absolutely anyone in this forum says about Holmes will change my mind on this kid. Yes he had soreness but unless you’re fukin Bruce almighty or god himself you’re going to have soreness after practicing for the first time in a month in a full contact practice especially when it’s his shoulder and all this fool does is dunk the ball. That is normal.

At the end of the day he was cleared for practice which means he’s healthy .. give him another week and a half bc of all star break rest and he’ll be fully healthy and back giving us top 20 value. 

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Lmao the guy who got joker must be loving life.

doesnt matter if your tanking assists, shai and Holmes is a terrible move. You could of gotten much more trust me

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32 minutes ago, Flamez said:

Imma be very honest with you and I mean this with no absolutely disrespect whatsoever because I love most of my brothers in here. But no matter what you or absolutely anyone in this forum says about Holmes will change my mind on this kid. Yes he had soreness but unless you’re fukin Bruce almighty or god himself you’re going to have soreness after practicing for the first time in a month in a full contact practice especially when it’s his shoulder and all this fool does is dunk the ball. That is normal.

At the end of the day he was cleared for practice which means he’s healthy .. give him another week and a half bc of all star break rest and he’ll be fully healthy and back giving us top 20 value. 


Dude this is what I'm trying to tell you, and you clearly are not getting it. Walton said he was NOT cleared for full contact practice. It's right there in the quote. 
 

The team update also said he is progressing towards full-contact basketball activities. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/James_HamNBCS/status/1225949448833863680  
  
Now sure he should be fine after the ASB, but my main point is that he is not healthy NOW and as such should not be valued as a healthy player. What happens if he has another setback? He already had one.  
  
It's good to be optimistic but you don't trade a healthy top 10 player for a question mark. Period. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Eltoro said:


Dude this is what I'm trying to tell you, and you clearly are not getting it. Walton said he was NOT cleared for full contact practice. It's right there in the quote. 
 

The team update also said he is progressing towards full-contact basketball activities. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/James_HamNBCS/status/1225949448833863680  
  
Now sure he should be fine after the ASB, but my main point is that he is not healthy NOW and as such should not be valued as a healthy player. What happens if he has another setback? He already had one.  
  
It's good to be optimistic but you don't trade a healthy top 10 player for a question mark. Period. 

 

Trust me I agree with your final point 100 percent you’re right but whoever said he got “jipped” in the deal ... that’s balony. 
 

My brother. He practiced in a full contact practice. Then the next day had soreness so they held him out of the contact portion and he only did non contact. If you wanna stat check me by all means do it but I promise I’m right. He’s 85 percent healthy right now and with 10 more days he’ll be as close to 100 as it can get 

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