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All these cheaper outfielders signing is going to limit the big 3 remaining OF Ozuna, Puig, Castellanos. Not sure who is really left to bid on these guys. Ozuna is the only one with a draft pick attached. The lesson is the same every year, Teams with money spend it early. 

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9 hours ago, hailfire4 said:

All these cheaper outfielders signing is going to limit the big 3 remaining OF Ozuna, Puig, Castellanos. Not sure who is really left to bid on these guys. Ozuna is the only one with a draft pick attached. The lesson is the same every year, Teams with money spend it early. 

Rotoworld has reported that Texas is going after Castellanos pretty hard with the Cubs and some other teams still in the mix.  There are definitely multiple teams after him.

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33 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Rotoworld has reported that Texas is going after Castellanos pretty hard with the Cubs and some other teams still in the mix.  There are definitely multiple teams after him.


Lots of rumors that the Cubs want to get under the luxury tax for 2020 so I don’t see them signing Castellanos. 

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Ozuna to Texas makes a lot of sense.  I could see him putting him monster numbers there.

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So Reds inking ShoGo, and he will get one of the corner OF jobs, likely squeezing late season hero Aquino or Winker out of ABs...

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13 minutes ago, ST. STEVEN said:

So Reds inking ShoGo, and he will get one of the corner OF jobs, likely squeezing late season hero Aquino or Winker out of ABs...

I think he can play a passable CF.

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28 minutes ago, ST. STEVEN said:

So Reds inking ShoGo, and he will get one of the corner OF jobs, likely squeezing late season hero Aquino or Winker out of ABs...

 

maybe this gives the Reds more ability to trade Senzel to Cleveland in something for Lindor.

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After the way the Reds treated winker last year he was one of my throwbacks to get to 28 keepers in sig. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Members_Only_76 said:

Twins add Bailey and Hill...

 

 

So the "Twins are a very well-thought-of org?"  (Also why did the guy put hyphens in between those words?  It's a phrase; not a double hyphenated long word).  Anyway, funny how different people think different things as per Rotoworld's take on the Twins:

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Twins signed RHP Homer Bailey to a one-year, $7 million contract.

The Twins aimed high with offseason targets for their rotation, but ended up keeping both Jake Odorizzi and Michael Pineda while adding Bailey and some potential upside with a rehabbing Rich Hill. Of course, there's still a chance they could make a significant trade before Opening Day or even sign Josh Donaldson to play third base. But as of now, their offseason has been underwhelming. Bailey, 33, posted a 4.57 ERA and 149/53 K/BB ratio over 163 1/3 innings between the Royals and Athletics this past season.

Dec 31, 2019, 12:28 PM ET

So both Pineda and Hill won't or can't pitch during the first couple of months of the season as well.  Wonder who will.

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7 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

So the "Twins are a very well-thought-of org?"  (Also why did the guy put hyphens in between those words?  It's a phrase; not a double hyphenated long word).  Anyway, funny how different people think different things as per Rotoworld's take on the Twins:

So both Pineda and Hill won't or can't pitch during the first couple of months of the season as well.  Wonder who will.

BRSDR

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49 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

(Also why did the guy put hyphens in between those words?  It's a phrase; not a double hyphenated long word).

The hyphens are correct. It’s a compound modifier - “well-thought-of” is all one adjective, describing the organization.

57 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

So both Pineda and Hill won't or can't pitch during the first couple of months of the season as well.  Wonder who will.

Berrios, Odorizzi, Bailey and pray it rains daily?

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5 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

So the "Twins are a very well-thought-of org?"  (Also why did the guy put hyphens in between those words?  It's a phrase; not a double hyphenated long word).  Anyway, funny how different people think different things as per Rotoworld's take on the Twins:

So both Pineda and Hill won't or can't pitch during the first couple of months of the season as well.  Wonder who will.

 

Just because an organization is well-regarded doesn't mean that it can't be having an underwhelming offseason. 

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Are Twins fans really celebrating these moves? Hill could be 50/50 to pitch at all next season and...Bailey? Reds fans had a ticker tape parade when he went off the books.

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3 hours ago, TribeFoo said:

Are Twins fans really celebrating these moves? Hill could be 50/50 to pitch at all next season and...Bailey? Reds fans had a ticker tape parade when he went off the books.

The post moneyball media narratives are funny these days.  They would rather a team appear clever,  than just be good at things.  

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22 minutes ago, WahooManiac said:

The post moneyball media narratives are funny these days.  They would rather a team appear clever,  than just be good at things.  

 

It's not just the teams, it's the fans.  You literally quoted someone who joked that Reds  fans had a parade for a contract coming off the books. As if the reason the Reds didn't win a World Series was because of Homer Bailey (2.9 fWar last year btw)

They were decent signings. Would having signed Cole or Strasburg been more impactful? Obviously. That being said only two teams could and then fans complained they spent too much.

 

 

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1 hour ago, brockpapersizer said:

 

It's not just the teams, it's the fans.  You literally quoted someone who joked that Reds  fans had a parade for a contract coming off the books. As if the reason the Reds didn't win a World Series was because of Homer Bailey (2.9 fWar last year btw)

They were decent signings. Would having signed Cole or Strasburg been more impactful? Obviously. That being said only two teams could and then fans complained they spent too much.

 

 

 

I live in Columbus and have plenty of friends who are Reds fans. Some acted as if they were personally paroled when they finally got rid of Bailey. That was a 6 year, $105M deal and they got one passable season out of him before he was either injured, inefficient, or both for the next 4. The dude was 1-14 with a 6.09 ERA in 2018! Perhaps Bailey will eat some innings in a severely lacking (as it stands now) Minnesota rotation, but there is zero reason to be excited about him.

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20 minutes ago, TribeFoo said:

 

I live in Columbus and have plenty of friends who are Reds fans. Some acted as if they were personally paroled when they finally got rid of Bailey. 

 

Sad existence if a team not paying a player anymore is a cathartic moment for you.

It was a bad contract, there have been worse, and it didnt prevent the Reds from spending more. Getting 18 million off the books isn't a difference maker, especially when you have to "overpay" to get a difference maker in free agency. 

It's not like the Reds made a huge splash with those savings. They got Moustakas, who is very solid, but plenty of people are saying is overpaid now. 

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6 hours ago, TribeFoo said:

 

I live in Columbus and have plenty of friends who are Reds fans. Some acted as if they were personally paroled when they finally got rid of Bailey. That was a 6 year, $105M deal and they got one passable season out of him before he was either injured, inefficient, or both for the next 4. The dude was 1-14 with a 6.09 ERA in 2018! Perhaps Bailey will eat some innings in a severely lacking (as it stands now) Minnesota rotation, but there is zero reason to be excited about him.

Hard to get excited about any pitcher named Homer.

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6 hours ago, TribeFoo said:

 

I live in Columbus and have plenty of friends who are Reds fans. Some acted as if they were personally paroled when they finally got rid of Bailey. That was a 6 year, $105M deal and they got one passable season out of him before he was either injured, inefficient, or both for the next 4. The dude was 1-14 with a 6.09 ERA in 2018! Perhaps Bailey will eat some innings in a severely lacking (as it stands now) Minnesota rotation, but there is zero reason to be excited about him.

 

Innings eaters heading into 2020 with a 26th man are less valuable than in previous years. There's enough leeway on rosters now that they can deal with bullpen games and short outings. The fact that just because a guy can pitch a lot shouldn't get him money. Would rather use a rotation of some Quad A guys for free than pay Homer to log 180 terrible innings. These type of moves almost never work out and I can't understand why they keep being made.

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Domingo Germain is suspended for 80 games for domestic violence. He had already missed 17 games to end last season (including playoffs) and now will miss  63 games to start this season. 

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That’s a lot longer German suspension than I expected. Consensus seemed to be he’d get like 30 and with time served he’d only miss a couple starts. Either MLB is toughening up its policy or the investigation found something pretty bad.

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On 1/1/2020 at 10:04 AM, brockpapersizer said:

 

Sad existence if a team not paying a player anymore is a cathartic moment for you.

 


The collective Angel fan base disagrees and looks forward to these things almost yearly. 2021 Pujols comes off the books and the champagne is already on ice...

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36 minutes ago, tucker26 said:


The collective Angel fan base disagrees and looks forward to these things almost yearly. 2021 Pujols comes off the books and the champagne is already on ice...

 

They've given out 3 contracts over 100 million since Pujols/Hamilton, 2 over 200. The team isn't suddenly going to get a lot better once he's gone. 

 

They've developed so little before and after Trout, that's been their biggest problem.  Only way to win is to have a good core of prospects graduate as your core and then overspend. They've never had a core. 

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22 hours ago, charger_ss24 said:

Hard to get excited about any pitcher named Homer.

 

Yeah his parents messed up, had they named him Strikeout Bailey he'd be headed for The Hall of Fame.

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