JE7HorseGod 2,601 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, meh2 said: I think the point some people in here are trying to make is that most of these owners got to this point in their life by being shrewd, savvy, and ruthless businessmen. They didn’t invest in an MLB franchise because they wanted to donate some of their personal wealth to bring a championship to a city, they invested because they thought it would be another profitable investment. They’re going to take a loss this year no matter what. They’re going after the players’ salaries this year because that’s their best shot to lessen some of their losses. Fans will also be targeted. You can bet that ticket prices are going up next year. Concessions, parking, and merch prices will also go up. Free agents in the next couple years will also feel the crunch. Possibly, if that's what the market will bear. But I don't see what that has to do with owners opening the books. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotocious 207 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Two main points that haven't really been talked about. Many of these MLB Owners inherited money. Most MLB players worked they way up to being rich. So when it comes to deserving the slice, I'm siding with the dudes who earned not the guys who used daddy's money. Secondly if this was hurting the owners so much and they were in such distress why aren't they selling the team? How many of these owners do you think sell their teams? When regular working class people were actually in trouble they had to sell or lose their home. Just their home let alone their business. It's disgusting some of the owners BS some of you guys eat up. Again you CANNOT be mad about players pay and be okay with owners pay without being a hypocrite period. Honestly simple mathematics says it's illogical to not be more mad about owners pay. Let alone all the other reasons outside of math. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JE7HorseGod 2,601 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rotocious said: Two main points that haven't really been talked about. Many of these MLB Owners inherited money. Most MLB players worked they way up to being rich. So when it comes to deserving the slice, I'm siding with the dudes who earned not the guys who used daddy's money. Secondly if this was hurting the owners so much and they were in such distress why aren't they selling the team? How many of these owners do you think sell their teams? When regular working class people were actually in trouble they had to sell or lose their home. Just their home let alone their business. It's disgusting some of the owners BS some of you guys eat up. Again you CANNOT be mad about players pay and be okay with owners pay without being a hypocrite period. Honestly simple mathematics says it's illogical to not be more mad about owners pay. Let alone all the other reasons outside of math. To me it's simple. 1.) This agreement was ALREADY in place. Everyone was aware that playing games without fans was a possibility. 2.) The owners are now saying they will lose money based on the existing agreement. If that's the case - prove it. Open your books. Asking to redo an agreement that is already in place solely to protect the owner's interests based on projections they've created without showing their work is totally unreasonable. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjs1890 142 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 3 hours ago, JE7HorseGod said: To me it's simple. 1.) This agreement was ALREADY in place. Everyone was aware that playing games without fans was a possibility. 2.) The owners are now saying they will lose money based on the existing agreement. If that's the case - prove it. Open your books. Asking to redo an agreement that is already in place solely to protect the owner's interests based on projections they've created without showing their work is totally unreasonable. The deal they agreed to in March has a caveat that fans would need to be in attendance if not each owner would average a 640k loss. So if no fans this year that agreement is null. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JE7HorseGod 2,601 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, sjs1890 said: The deal they agreed to in March has a caveat that fans would need to be in attendance if not each owner would average a 640k loss. So if no fans this year that agreement is null. The agreement was never made public, and the only evidence that this "caveat" existed was a second hand email between lawyers that says, "that's what he thought." In any event, the lack of foresight should not be on the players but on the owners since, again, everyone knew this was a possibility (you'll find no shortage of articles in March talking about empty stadiums) and THEY are the ones asking for a new agreement. And the "640k loss" is the owners projection, not subject to scrutiny on behalf of the players they are asking to share revenue with, because they won't open the books. If your employer said, "instead of the salary in your employment contract, we want you to take a share of whatever the company makes this year, and we won't show you how we get that number, you just have to take our word for it" would you not push back on that? Even if you had a Union that was designed to help you collectively bargain your salary? C'mon. This is crazy town. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,037 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Rotocious said: Again you CANNOT be mad about players pay and be okay with owners pay without being a hypocrite period. Honestly simple mathematics says it's illogical to not be more mad about owners pay. Let alone all the other reasons outside of math. Correct. 5 hours ago, Rotocious said: Many of these MLB Owners inherited money. Most MLB players worked they way up to being rich. So when it comes to deserving the slice, I'm siding with the dudes who earned not the guys who used daddy's money. No matter what I will always support the player. He/she has the right to determine the best course of action whether if he is holding out for more money, better contract, family reasons or mental health. Never understood why others don’t see that... This thread reminds me just a little of the LeVeon Bell. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OrangeCrush 307 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Blake Snell (elbow) has not been throwing off a mound since spring training was shut down. Snell had an abbreviated spring training after experiencing soreness in his surgically-repaired left elbow. However, the fact that he hasn't done any mound work for a while appears to be precautionary, as pitching coach Kyle Snyder expects the southpaw to have "zero limitations" when/if spring training 2.0 gets underway. This guy is gonna need a month or more to get back to 5 inn a game... Smh Edited May 25, 2020 by OrangeCrush Quote Link to post Share on other sites
89Topps 2,550 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 9:58 PM, sjs1890 said: Because there is no need to for the owners. What greater good lol? If the owners just open the books to try and save this season then guess who ends up paying for it in the long run? The paying fans with even more outrageous prices when they allow fans back into the games. America runs on capitalism and the owners hold the trump card. I think you're misinterpreting what "open the books means". And the owners absolutely have incentive for the season to be played. A missed season would be detrimental to the long term health of the league. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonninho 174 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, 89Topps said: I think you're misinterpreting what "open the books means". And the owners absolutely have incentive for the season to be played. A missed season would be detrimental to the long term health of the league. Agreed, even more so if the NBA, NHL, NFL, NCAA, European soccer leagues, MLS, Nascar, UFC, PGA, etc etc are all happening during the pandemic. Baseball will not recover from that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OrangeCrush 307 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 What are we looking at for this guy? Looks like he will face Tor then Balt. I have to be honest, i'm a tad worried about starting this guy @either... Just not sure what kind of inn/PC we are looking at. Any thought/info? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hangin n wangin 1,703 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, OrangeCrush said: What are we looking at for this guy? Looks like he will face Tor then Balt. I have to be honest, i'm a tad worried about starting this guy @either... Just not sure what kind of inn/PC we are looking at. Any thought/info? If you're going to be worried about starting Snell for any match up really, you probably shouldn't have drafted him. To answer your question, I am looking for him to dominate, regardless of opponent. Edited July 25, 2020 by hangin n wangin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,150 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 He described himself as feeling like he’s still in the third week of ST, so I’d expect a PC of around 80 his first time out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonycpsu 5,216 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 [ Post removed. In-game reactions / play-by-play goes in the Game Day thread. ] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panther239 324 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Anyone else considering sitting him tonight vs. the Yanks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnonymousRob 3,429 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Panther239 said: Anyone else considering sitting him tonight vs. the Yanks? Strongly considered it, but I'm running him out there. I expect it will go terribly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mehtavg2000 247 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, AnonymousRob said: Strongly considered it, but I'm running him out there. I expect it will go terribly. Likewise. I don't expect much from him against any team (especially since he's capped at about 4-5 innings which he likely won't make most nights anyways). How far the mighty have fallen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slowride 202 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 3IP 5Ks 0R Looks like a good outing cut short. Just 59 pitches. Pulled after 46, 53, and 59. Is this the new norm for him are they just extremely cautious in getting him stretched out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnonymousRob 3,429 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, slowride said: 3IP 5Ks 0R Looks like a good outing cut short. Just 59 pitches. Pulled after 46, 53, and 59. Is this the new norm for him are they just extremely cautious in getting him stretched out? Nearly half his pitches were balls. He was all over the place. Tampa has an amazing bullpen, why wouldn't they use it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mehtavg2000 247 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, slowride said: 3IP 5Ks 0R Looks like a good outing cut short. Just 59 pitches. Pulled after 46, 53, and 59. Is this the new norm for him are they just extremely cautious in getting him stretched out? I hope it's the latter. He could bring back ace potential right in time for fantasy playoffs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meh2 3,138 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, slowride said: 3IP 5Ks 0R Looks like a good outing cut short. Just 59 pitches. Pulled after 46, 53, and 59. Is this the new norm for him are they just extremely cautious in getting him stretched out? He had elbow surgery last year. He had elbow issues again this spring. He didn’t do any throwing at all over the shutdown. I’m not sure how people didn’t see this coming. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mehtavg2000 247 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, meh2 said: He had elbow surgery last year. He had elbow issues again this spring. He didn’t do any throwing at all over the shutdown. I’m not sure how people didn’t see this coming. Everyone saw it coming. Doesn't make it less frustrating. But if he can get a couple great starts during fantasy playoffs, that would be an unexpected bonus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ecofolux 220 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Snell isn't helping himself either. He's averaging around 20 pitches per inning. I watched some of the Yankees game and there were at least three 3-2, could be more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twentyone 5 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, AnonymousRob said: Nearly half his pitches were balls. He was all over the place. Tampa has an amazing bullpen, why wouldn't they use it? Considering they have a double header tomorrow, I'm surprised they used their bullpen as much as they did tonight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twentyone 5 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) [...] I'm just hoping he's consistently pitching 6 innings by the end of the month. Not starting him until then. As others have mentioned, if he starts to hit form for the stretch run of the FBB season, and playoffs, I'm happy. Edited August 8, 2020 by tonycpsu Removed Cool Story Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingJoffrey 813 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Not sure what to make of Yahoo's comment that he should be stretched out soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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