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1 hour ago, Boudewijn said:

We should add here that Henry was snubbed at #2 by a certain gentleman who shall remain nameless.

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That’s awesome - thanks for sharing, gentleman!

Careful with those leagues, though - you might get kicked out for not making enough moves in June or whatever.

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I am usually against paying running backs but in Tennessee's case it is hard to picture them without Derrick Henry.  For one thing, the formula to beat Mahomes is to run the ball and milk the clock, keeping the Chief's potent offense on the sidelines as much as possible.  For another thing, it is fun to watch NFL defenders make business decisions once Henry gets into the secondary with a full head of steam.

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11 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I am usually against paying running backs but in Tennessee's case it is hard to picture them without Derrick Henry.  For one thing, the formula to beat Mahomes is to run the ball and milk the clock, keeping the Chief's potent offense on the sidelines as much as possible.  For another thing, it is fun to watch NFL defenders make business decisions once Henry gets into the secondary with a full head of steam.


Problem is if you can’t stop Mahomes you want an RB who can actually be a receiver and never has to come off the field when the team is trailing. Henry has never been that.

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On 7/18/2020 at 8:21 PM, joshua18 said:


Problem is if you can’t stop Mahomes you want an RB who can actually be a receiver and never has to come off the field when the team is trailing. Henry has never been that.

 

Coaches have a chance to correct their mistake.

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13 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Coaches have a chance to correct their mistake.

I mean...

I don't seem to remember Henry as much of a receiver in college either

Incredible player still but just hard for me to see the receiving part of his game happening at this point

Enough to be an occasional outlet for the Titans in real life? Sure.

But for a fantasy impact: forget CMC and Barkley--even a pass catcher like Zeke through the air? I would be surprised

Still think his type of running is a point of vulnerability for the Chiefs even without him being a pass catcher though

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47 minutes ago, mocha4313 said:

I mean...

I don't seem to remember Henry as much of a receiver in college either

Incredible player still but just hard for me to see the receiving part of his game happening at this point

Enough to be an occasional outlet for the Titans in real life? Sure.

But for a fantasy impact: forget CMC and Barkley--even a pass catcher like Zeke through the air? I would be surprised

Still think his type of running is a point of vulnerability for the Chiefs even without him being a pass catcher though

Flowchart to remember when talking about Henry on this board:

Henry Good? > All Derrick

Henry Bad? > All Derrick’s coaches, past and present

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33 minutes ago, BMcP said:

Flowchart to remember when talking about Henry on this board:

Henry Good? > All Derrick

Henry Bad? > All Derrick’s coaches, past and present

 

Coaches who give Henry 300 touches in a season go to conference championship games.

 

Further than Zeke, Kamara, Elliot, Barkley has ever gone.

 

Coaches who give Henry 70 pass attempts with 300+ rushes in a season might go to and win the Super Bowl.

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2 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Coaches who give Henry 300 touches in a season go to conference championship games.

 

Further than Zeke, Kamara, Elliot, Barkley has ever gone.

 

Coaches who give Henry 70 pass attempts with 300+ rushes in a season might go to and win the Super Bowl.

If only I believed, as you do, that life were that simple....

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3 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

Coaches who give Henry 70 pass attempts with 300+ rushes in a season might go to and win the Super Bowl.

Also, he can walk on water, he can write a symphony for oboe and orchestra, his paintings might be displayed in the State gallery and his poetry could be translated in 24 languages.

Or maybe not, so let's stick with the facts we know.

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5 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

Also, he can walk on water, he can write a symphony for oboe and orchestra, his paintings might be displayed in the State gallery and his poetry could be translated in 24 languages.

Or maybe not, so let's stick with the facts we know.

 

 

Fact is the Titans passed to RBs Henry and Lewis a combined 59 times last year. I can't remember another RB getting a snap.

 

59 total pass attempts to the RB position by tennessee. Obviously that is not a lot of opportunities for catching passes and in my humble opinion is what could help elevate that offense to championship caliber.

 

Titans have not realized that even when trailing Henry needs to still be in the game, he is a threat to score every time he touches the ball, even down a couple scores.

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7 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

Fact is the Titans passed to RBs Henry and Lewis a combined 59 times last year. I can't remember another RB getting a snap.

Dalyn Dawkins had 11 att and 1 tgt and Khari Blasingame had 5, but I'll give you that one, that's negligible.

14 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

59 total pass attempts to the RB position by tennessee. Obviously that is not a lot of opportunities for catching passes and in my humble opinion is what could help elevate that offense to championship caliber.

It's at the bottom end of the scale, only Baltimore, the Rams and Detroit had fewer.

On the other hand, the Chargers, NE and CAR were on the top end of the scale and 2 out if 3 also didn't make it to the playoffs.

In any case, I know you're realistic enough that if there's an increase in passes, it'll go to Darryngton Evans.

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40 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

Dalyn Dawkins had 11 att and 1 tgt and Khari Blasingame had 5, but I'll give you that one, that's negligible.

It's at the bottom end of the scale, only Baltimore, the Rams and Detroit had fewer.

On the other hand, the Chargers, NE and CAR were on the top end of the scale and 2 out if 3 also didn't make it to the playoffs.

In any case, I know you're realistic enough that if there's an increase in passes, it'll go to Darryngton Evans.

 

I know Henry won't be an elite pass catcher. Obviously I explain this every year. He is not nor will ever be a receiver like CMC or Barkley or Kamara. We know his limitations. That being said, there is no reason why you should not get Henry 50 attempts and 35-40 receptions per season for several reasons:

 

1. Play calling doesn't become obvious when you sub Henry out for a pass catcher.

 

2. Henry has proven absolutely devastating in the open field in his opportunities this far in the receiving game including a couple of long TDs. 

 

3. When the Titans get down a couple of scores they absolutely can not get game scripted out of having Henry on the field. Down by a couple scores and Henry can take 1 screen 75 yards for a TD

 

In summation, every with common sense knows Henry won't be an elite pass catcher but no one, including myself is arguing that he is. I say he can catch 35-40 passes and that would translate to leaving him on the field more when trailing in some games. Combine that with the fact that he is the best rusher in the NFL and that is what gets you such a high potential ceiling for Henry. 

 

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

1. Play calling doesn't become obvious when you sub Henry out for a pass catcher.

I sort of agree with your entire post.

What you say here is an interesting point though because Darth Belichick has been doing exactly this for the past years: now with Sony Michel, and before with LeGarette Blount. He seems to think that even with Michel in the team there's still plenty of room left to surprise the opponent.

This is of course only relevant to say: maybe Mike Vrabel is also fine with Henry being the rushing king?

 

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53 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

I sort of agree with your entire post.

What you say here is an interesting point though because Darth Belichick has been doing exactly this for the past years: now with Sony Michel, and before with LeGarette Blount. He seems to think that even with Michel in the team there's still plenty of room left to surprise the opponent.

This is of course only relevant to say: maybe Mike Vrabel is also fine with Henry being the rushing king?

 

 

I get the point you're trying to make, but Michel is just god awful; not wise to compare that situation to King Hendry. Not to mention the whole Bill Belichick dynamic , the man would probably play James White even if he had Zeke on the team. 

Also to touch on DHC's comments , 35-40 catches is definitely on optimistic side. But somewhere along the lines of the 25-30 should easily be attainable. Which raises both Henry's floor and ceiling, a tad bit. With that being said; no one expects baby rhino to be catching passes at all , it's a great strategy to throw the defense off kilter. 

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It's still hard for me to believe that grown men who have played football their whole lives can't effectively/efficiently catch a football.

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27 minutes ago, K197040 said:

It's still hard for me to believe that grown men who have played football their whole lives can't effectively/efficiently catch a football.

It's not about catching, of course he can do that. Getting receptions is much more about running routes, getting separation, etc. Of course Henry can catch a screen, but can he sell a slant, get rid of a defender and gain 15 yards?

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4 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

It's not about catching, of course he can do that. Getting receptions is much more about running routes, getting separation, etc. Of course Henry can catch a screen, but can he sell a slant, get rid of a defender and gain 15 yards?

I get that.  It's why I said "effectively/efficiently".   I don't expect an RB to have the route tree of a WR.

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4 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

I know Henry won't be an elite pass catcher. Obviously I explain this every year. He is not nor will ever be a receiver like CMC or Barkley or Kamara. We know his limitations. That being said, there is no reason why you should not get Henry 50 attempts and 35-40 receptions per season for several reasons:

You do realize only 20 RBs total - including passing-down specialists like Cohen and Hines - received 50 targets last season?  That’s more than the likes of Gurley, Lindsay and Carson saw.

Since we have these excellent, competent coaches now who have cracked the code to making it to the conference championship each year for the duration of Henry’s contract, shouldn’t we assume they know a little more than we do about his passing-game abilities?

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59 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

It's not about catching, of course he can do that. Getting receptions is much more about running routes, getting separation, etc. Of course Henry can catch a screen, but can he sell a slant, get rid of a defender and gain 15 yards?

 

Can Henry get rid of a defender? Lol.

 

I think so

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12 hours ago, K197040 said:

It's still hard for me to believe that grown men who have played football their whole lives can't effectively/efficiently catch a football.


Ya it’s kinda hard to believe but alas it happens. Kills me how some basketball players can’t hit free throws even tho shooting ball is literally your livelihood... but they can dunk it from the free throw line lol..

Wilt chamberlain might be the greatest athlete of all time.. one of the worst free throw shooters.. some people just can’t make free throws others can’t catch footballs effectively 

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7 hours ago, Stonej14 said:


Ya it’s kinda hard to believe but alas it happens. Kills me how some basketball players can’t hit free throws even tho shooting ball is literally your livelihood... but they can dunk it from the free throw line lol..

Wilt chamberlain might be the greatest athlete of all time.. one of the worst free throw shooters.. some people just can’t make free throws others can’t catch footballs effectively 

 

Others catch the ball just fine but don't get the opportunities...

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“I just want to improve my game in all aspects,” Henry said, “and that’s going to be the goal each and every year, so that will never change.”

Henry is working with fullback Khari Blasingame from the start of training camp this year. In 2019, the Titans signed the former Buckhorn High School standout from the Minnesota Vikings’ practice squad on Nov. 13.

Blasingame played in five regular-season and three playoff games with Henry. In those eight games, Henry ran for 1,154 yards and 10 touchdowns on 199 carries. In the 10 games in 2019 before Blasingame joined Tennessee, Henry ran for 832 yards and eight touchdowns on 187 carries.

“I think Khari did a great job, coming in the way he did and picking up the offense very quickly,” Henry said. “And he helped us tremendously, obviously, when he came in. I’m looking forward to him building off the things that he learned and him getting better as a player. I like him as a teammate. I’m glad he’s in our room. Glad he’s in front of me blocking.”

 

 

https://www.al.com/sports/2020/08/derrick-henry-shares-opt-out-advice-but-hes-playing.html?outputType=amp

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1 hour ago, RogerGoodell said:

He's a good player.

 

AKA the best rusher in the NFL.

 

AKA El Tractorcito

 

AKA King Hendry

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21 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

“I just want to improve my game in all aspects,” Henry said, “and that’s going to be the goal each and every year, so that will never change.”


Except the aspects that matter most — running routes and being more than a dump-off receiver. 

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