ZappB 526 Posted February 13 (edited) People keep posting about his 2020 outlook in the 2019 thread so as a public service I'm creating this thread. I worry a bit about passing volume, though I agree with the takes that he can be a WR2.  I'm not scared of Pettis. What intrigues me is that he was getting 1-3 carries every game from Week 13 through the Super Bowl, getting 28 rush ypg and 2 rushing TDs over that span. Edited February 13 by ZappB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyGuru24 264 Posted March 14 Solid WR2 next year 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeyfan77 679 Posted March 14 12 hours ago, FantasyGuru24 said: Solid WR2 next year Agreed, that's where I have him too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwall29 823 Posted March 17 (edited) And the first domino of the 49ers defense not being as good as it was last year falls, DeForest Buckner gone (as I predicted in the 2019 Deebo forum, it was going to be difficult for them to afford Armstead and Buckner). Mortal lock that there will be a regression in team defense from last year, which should only help provide more passing volume. Edited March 17 by paulwall29 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwall29 823 Posted March 21 (edited) Manny Sanders heading to Nola. Lots of targets opening up for Deebo. There's a good chance the niners take Jeudy or Lamb at 13, but they've also been heavily linked to Javon Kinlaw and CJ Henderson and have big needs at DT and CB. Even if the niners do nab Jeudy or Lamb I don't anticipate them being much more productive than Sanders was last year in their rookie season (and there's a legitimate chance they would be less productive). Coming off a big rookie season going into his second year with Jimmy G, Deebo's arrow is pointing up. Edited March 21 by paulwall29 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,460 Posted March 24  Sanders gone + Travis Benjamin incoming and Petis ont the trading block shifts the arrow to up for Deebo. 😆 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwall29 823 Posted March 24 43 minutes ago, dashoe said:  Sanders gone + Travis Benjamin incoming and Petis ont the trading block shifts the arrow to up for Deebo. 😆  Glad to see you finally coming around. Even if the Niners draft a receiver in the first this year, Deebo will see an uptick in targets. If they miss out on Jeudy or CeeDee or pass on receiver in the first, Deebo's ceiling next year is sky high. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,460 Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, paulwall29 said:  Glad to see you finally coming around. Even if the Niners draft a receiver in the first this year, Deebo will see an uptick in targets. If they miss out on Jeudy or CeeDee or pass on receiver in the first, Deebo's ceiling next year is sky high.   it's not me coming around, it's the facts that change the situation. My fantasy view is always based on what the facts are vs what they could be 😂 The fact is the Niners did not upgrade their WR room, Travis Benjamin is not on the same level of a Sanders and if  Pettis is on the trading block as reported that again reduces the available talent in the wr room and tells you that Shanny does not value him as an important piece of the offense. I also look at these wr moves with keeping mckinnon as them not opening up the passing game even more but strengthining their already dominant interior game with the rb's and the TE. The question still remains for me will Deebo now get the needed air yards on deeper routes to improve his fantasy production because I just dont see JimyG peppering Benjamin with many targets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwall29 823 Posted March 24 (edited) 19 minutes ago, dashoe said:   it's not me coming around, it's the facts that change the situation. My fantasy view is always based on what the facts are vs what they could be 😂 The fact is the Niners did not upgrade their WR room, Travis Benjamin is not on the same level of a Sanders and if  Pettis is on the trading block as reported that again reduces the available talent in the wr room and tells you that Shanny does not value him as an important piece of the offense. I also look at these wr moves with keeping mckinnon as them not opening up the passing game even more but strengthining their already dominant interior game with the rb's and the TE. The question still remains for me will Deebo now get the needed air yards on deeper routes to improve his fantasy production because I just dont see JimyG peppering Benjamin with many targets.  Yes, the facts have made you come around to my prediction that Emmanuel Sanders would not be retained and that your assumption that the likelihood of of their ancillary receivers being a significant hinderance to Deebo's value was not a strong bet. I said all along that if the Niners receiver group was better going into next season, I would reassess my evaluation of Deebo. The only way I see that happening now is if they end up with Jeudy or Lamb, but even then it's not a given that they will be better than Sanders was last season. Like you said, the arrow is pointing up for Deebo, which I predicted it would be. Of course, the niners will be a run heavy team, I never suggested otherwise; that doesn't mean Deebo won't have the opportunity to improve on his numbers from last season. They can remain a run heavy team while still increasing their pass attempts, particularly if their defense regresses at all (that seems likely with the loss of Buckner). It seems like we agree more than we did previously but apparently we don't. Edited March 24 by paulwall29 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 6,460 Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, paulwall29 said:  Yes, the facts have made you come around to my prediction that Emmanuel Sanders would not be retained and that your assumption that the likelihood of of their ancillary receivers being a significant hinderance to Deebo's value was not a strong bet. I said all along that if the Niners receiver group was better going into next season, I would reassess my evaluation of Deebo. The only way I see that happening now is if they end up with Jeudy or Lamb, but even then it's not a given that they will be better than Sanders was last season. Like you said, the arrow is pointing up for Deebo, which I predicted it would be. Of course, the niners will be a run heavy team, I never suggested otherwise; that doesn't mean Deebo won't have the opportunity to improve on his numbers from last season. They can remain a run heavy team while still increasing their pass attempts, particularly if their defense regresses at all (that seems likely with the loss of Buckner). It seems like we agree more than we did previously but apparently we don't.   I think we are in agreement on understanding how the new data could affect the team and individual players direction 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 924 Posted June 4 https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-player-profile/deebo-samuel-poised-explode-year-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwall29 823 Posted June 5 8 hours ago, The G Man said: https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-player-profile/deebo-samuel-poised-explode-year-two  Shhhhhh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 7th Beatles 14,597 Posted June 18 (edited) Â Edited June 18 by The 7th Beatles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMcP 8,052 Posted June 18 This is a sad day for @paulwall29 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breesus 446 Posted June 18 Man this sucks, foot injuries for WRs are always scary. I think this hurts the 49ers value as an offense overall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooL 3,094 Posted June 18 Well, if there was any debate between DK or Deebo, I think the answer is clear now. Â I don't care if he has 3 months to recover. Â Foot trouble for a receiver is obviously never good. Â I'm out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SyNdicateZ 1,345 Posted June 18 Welp...see yall in 2021-22 Â Buy low now if u can in dynasties and hope hes 100% by then.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breesus 446 Posted June 18 Yeah completely agree. He’s officially DND this year, which sucks because he was so fun to watch. Can’t mess with those foot injuries in a WR group this deep Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,874 Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, SyNdicateZ said: Welp...see yall in 2021-22 Â Buy low now if u can in dynasties and hope hes 100% by then.. I don't think anyone is selling him in dynasty. You don't sell young quality talent for pennies on the dollar because of an injury. You would only sell low on a guy if you were in a win now window and were relying on him. I don't think anyone's championship hopes were resting on Deebo. Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 924 Posted June 19 Man, what a total bummer. Really like the kid and had high hopes for him this season. Hope he heals up gets back to 100% but have my doubts as far as 2020 goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Br0kenB 1,929 Posted June 19 Brandon Aiyuk has entered the chat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rush2112 4,159 Posted June 20 Aiyuk will be the lead dog for SF in the WR pass game this year 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrCantaloupe 382 Posted June 20 What kinda discount we gettin? I think I want to buy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Breesus 446 Posted June 20 9 hours ago, MrCantaloupe said: What kinda discount we gettin? I think I want to buy I’ve been seeing him go in the 8th-9th round. Seems about right  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
