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9 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Yeah I have no idea how he’s going so late.

Inefficiency this inefficiency that. Who cares? I don’t play in a league that punishes for a low YPC.

Dude averaged 3.2 YPC and had 4 total TDs and STILL finished as RB16 in PPR. So he’s currently being drafted lower than his finish last season because he’s somehow going to do worse? Just absurd to me.


Then please take him over Jonathan Taylor, James Conner, and DJ. Thanks.

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4 minutes ago, joshua18 said:


Then please take him over Jonathan Taylor, James Conner, and DJ. Thanks.

Can I ask why Conner over Bell? I get the arguments for DJ and Taylor, but I’m curious about why you see Conner over Bell despite Conner’s injury history.

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1 hour ago, Born Sinner said:

Can I ask why Conner over Bell? I get the arguments for DJ and Taylor, but I’m curious about why you see Conner over Bell despite Conner’s injury history.


Much better OL, much better QB, much better scheme, HC with track record of bellcow workloads, and less competition for carries. Bell’s injury history is just as bad and he’s 3 years older. Conner has MUCH higher TD upside given his role and how good the PIT D is.

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I wouldnt take him as anything more than a flex in non-ppr. In ppr I think he's okay as a low end rb2.

 

Dont underestimate the Gase effect. He already said he wants Bell to have fewer carries this year and has gushed about Gore. Let's say Bell gets 3 less carries per game this year but improves his efficiency to 4.0 ypc. He only averaged 16 carries per game last year so 13 per game puts him at around 830 rushing yards on the year. And that's if his efficiency takes a big jump up. TDs are fluky so maybe he gets a couple more this year but I still don't think anyone is expecting the Jets offense to be a scoring machine. Gore could also snake a few.

Also, from what I've read, there's no guaranteed money in his deal after 2020. Gase didn't want him to begin with and I wouldn't be surprised to see an unhappy ending to this marriage after another down year.

PPR he's okay at his adp, non-ppr I'd avoid unless he falls far. Honestly I'm still probably avoiding even in ppr unless he takes a tremendous dive or I'm desperate. 

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4 hours ago, joshua18 said:


Much better OL, much better QB, much better scheme, HC with track record of bellcow workloads, and less competition for carries. Bell’s injury history is just as bad and he’s 3 years older. Conner has MUCH higher TD upside given his role and how good the PIT D is.

I agree with this. I’m gradually getting higher and higher on Connor. The only thing keeping him from being a top 15 pick is injury. That’s it 

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1 hour ago, Breesus said:

I agree with this. I’m gradually getting higher and higher on Connor. The only thing keeping him from being a top 15 pick is injury. That’s it 

I think that Connor will be in a timeshare this season with other backs like Benny Snell and the rookie McFarland being involved.  I'm also avoiding him in drafts.

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1 hour ago, CharlieWhitehurst said:

All about Perine if you're in dynasty. His competition (for the future) is Frank Gore and an RB the hc clearly wants no part of.


Eh. Perine was okay, but nothing special at Florida. I don’t see him as the future for the Jets. 

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7 hours ago, joshua18 said:


Then please take him over Jonathan Taylor, James Conner, and DJ. Thanks.

Over Taylor 100%, over DJ no, and over Conner is a coin flip. 

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1 hour ago, Breesus said:

I agree with this. I’m gradually getting higher and higher on Connor. The only thing keeping him from being a top 15 pick is injury. That’s it 

That's like saying "the only thing that can stop Wile E. Coyote is a sudden explosion".

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10 hours ago, joshua18 said:


Then please take him over Jonathan Taylor, James Conner, and DJ. Thanks.

 

Is there any difference between Bell and DJ at this point? Both guys seem like hold your nose while you draft them picks.

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11 hours ago, Evincar said:

 

Is there any difference between Bell and DJ at this point? Both guys seem like hold your nose while you draft them picks.

 

Without knowing if DJ will get his juice back, I would bet on Bell due to track record and conditioning news.  Of course the Jets and Gase are a huge negative but Darnold and the O line should be better.  So unless we get word that DJ has the burst - in other words, if DJ is still like last year - then it's Bell.

I would be scouring the news on DJ right up to draft/auction day then rank the 2.  I agree with earlier thoughts that Conner is a better bet if healthy but...

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15 hours ago, Evincar said:

 

Is there any difference between Bell and DJ at this point? Both guys seem like hold your nose while you draft them picks.

 

DJ's team

-14th in pts last year

-17th in plays run

-12th in rush attempts

-5 returning starters on the oline

 

Bell's team

-31st in pts

-28th in plays

-26th in rush attempts

-2 returning starters on the oline

 

Here's some Gase tweets for you in case you...

https://twitter.com/jrfootballnerd/status/1278148516636962816?s=20

https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1293565148108599299?s=20

 

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8 hours ago, turner46 said:

 

DJ's team

-14th in pts last year

-17th in plays run

-12th in rush attempts

-5 returning starters on the oline

 

Bell's team

-31st in pts

-28th in plays

-26th in rush attempts

-2 returning starters on the oline

 

Here's some Gase tweets for you in case you...

https://twitter.com/jrfootballnerd/status/1278148516636962816?s=20

https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1293565148108599299?s=20

 

 

.DJ plays in a mediocre offense and for a bad coach. Bell plays in a bad offense and probably the worst coach. Bell is more durable and will probably catch more passes. Both guys are RBs that you settle for and not actively target in drafts. So I dont see much difference.

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18 minutes ago, Evincar said:

 

.DJ plays in a mediocre offense and for a bad coach. Bell plays in a bad offense and probably the worst coach. Bell is more durable and will probably catch more passes. Both guys are RBs that you settle for and not actively target in drafts. So I dont see much difference.

 

Only 1 losing season (the year Watson tore his ACL), 4 playoff births in 6 years. Resurrected Penn State, How small is your list of good coaches??? His GM skills have definitely been bad to date.

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On 8/15/2020 at 3:11 PM, Evincar said:

 

Is there any difference between Bell and DJ at this point? Both guys seem like hold your nose while you draft them picks.

 

Yes there is, Bell is a lot better and more reliable than DJ. Continuity - returning to the same team with the same QB and coach. Same cannot be said for DJ, he has to adjust to a brand new situation.

Bell also doesn't have a RB like Duke Johnson who is going to take away his Pass-Game work. Nobody will take targets and catches away from Bell, and a lot of those are coming his way in 2020. Where as with DJ, he is not even the best 3rd down/Hurry-up RB on his own team, since Duke is a specialist in that aspect. 

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28 minutes ago, Evincar said:

 

.DJ plays in a mediocre offense and for a bad coach. Bell plays in a bad offense and probably the worst coach. Bell is more durable and will probably catch more passes. Both guys are RBs that you settle for and not actively target in drafts. So I dont see much difference.

 

Bill Obrien is actually a really really good coach, he takes flawed rosters to the playoffs (wins division) almost every year.

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16 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said:

 

Bill Obrien is actually a really really good coach, he takes flawed rosters to the playoffs (wins division) almost every year.

Yup. Winning the division is pretty much their cap..

Without Hopkins to bail them out they will have a hard time.

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18 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said:

 

Bill Obrien is actually a really really good coach, he takes flawed rosters to the playoffs (wins division) almost every year.


Yeah, he saw Tom Savage and Watson for an entire preseason and chose to start Savage. Great coaching. 
 

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9 minutes ago, SyNdicateZ said:

Yup. Winning the division is pretty much their cap..

Without Hopkins to bail them out they will have a hard time.

 

Their overall WR corps is better in 2020 without Hopkins but adding Cooks (much better deep threat than Hopkins) and Cobb (a true, proven slot receiver which they haven't had). Lose Hopkins, add Cooks/Cobb, with Fuller returning in the best shape of his life = upgrade.

Texans run an Air Raid offense, the WR position in that scheme is all about Speed Speed Speed. They have that in spades now. Hopkins lacks speed and separation ability, he's really a possession receiver. Great trade by Houston getting rid of an overrated diva WR who is not a deep threat, gets minimal YAC, and never freed up the true #1 WR on that team - Will Fuller. Brandin Cooks (4.3 speed) will free up Will Fuller and unlock his potential.

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33 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said:

 

Bill Obrien is actually a really really good coach, he takes flawed rosters to the playoffs (wins division) almost every year.

 

maybe the rosters are fine, but the dodgy coaching makes them seem flawed?

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On 8/15/2020 at 10:34 AM, CharlieWhitehurst said:

All about Perine if you're in dynasty. His competition (for the future) is Frank Gore and an RB the hc clearly wants no part of.

 

Assuming they don't draft another RB

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Gase had his biggest success while OC in Denver while Peyton Manning was quarterback.  The same Peyton Manning who essentially was the OC on those teams.  All of Gase's team without Manning have been terrible.

The obvious conclusion is that Gase is the problem.  Bell proved in 2019 that Bell was not the solution.  And yet, Bell will likely never again achieve his underwhelming 2019 numbers.

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4 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Gase had his biggest success while OC in Denver while Peyton Manning was quarterback.  The same Peyton Manning who essentially was the OC on those teams.  All of Gase's team without Manning have been terrible.

The obvious conclusion is that Gase is the problem.  Bell proved in 2019 that Bell was not the solution.  And yet, Bell will likely never again achieve his underwhelming 2019 numbers.


Yeah, we get it. Not sure why you feel the need to keep posting the same thing over and over. It’s getting to the point of trolling. 

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