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6 minutes ago, sSektor said:

 

6 vs 2

 

This is all anybody is going to care about decades down the line. Maybe you can start a change.org petition to change the overwhelming public perception or something.

We have a fortune-teller on our hands - let’s have some lottery numbers!

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6 minutes ago, BMcP said:

We have a fortune-teller on our hands - let’s have some lottery numbers!

 

I was also the only person in the history of fantasy football to draft rookie Kamara so my reputation precedes me 😀

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1 minute ago, sSektor said:

 

I was also the only person in the history of fantasy football to draft rookie Kamara so my reputation precedes me 😀

I do praise you for that.

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31 minutes ago, sSektor said:

 

6 vs 2

 

This is all anybody is going to care about decades down the line. Maybe you can start a change.org petition to change the overwhelming public perception or something.


If you honestly think this- yikes

prob need to get out of NE more.  

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10 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:


If you honestly think this- yikes

prob need to get out of NE more.  

 

Yikes I know. How can anyone possibly think championships (the ultimate goal of every single season) are the most important thing for a players legacy.


Is this a cleverly disguised Lebron vs MJ thread?  

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1 hour ago, sSektor said:

 

Yikes I know. How can anyone possibly think championships (the ultimate goal of every single season) are the most important thing for a players legacy.


Is this a cleverly disguised Lebron vs MJ thread?  


Team Awards are great-   If you’re determining team success.  
 

or do you honestly think Eli >> Marino

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8 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:


Team Awards are great-   If you’re determining team success.  
 

or do you honestly think Eli >> Marino

 

That's a good question. 

 

Marino was without a doubt the better passer but I think Eli was more cerebral and won bigger games

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7 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:


Team Awards are great-   If you’re determining team success.  
 

or do you honestly think Eli >> Marino

 

What is the single most important and impactful position on the field? You know the one teams desperately try to find in the draft year after year, and pay truck loads of money to?


And I would take Eli over Marino in the playoffs yes. Regular season stats are for losers (and fantasy football of course). 

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17 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

That's a good question. 

 

Marino was without a doubt the better passer but I think Eli was more cerebral and won bigger games

 

Cerebral? Are we talking about the same Eli who was a turnover machine his entire career? The guy gets a lot of mileage out of his SB wins.

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2 hours ago, sSektor said:

 

What is the single most important and impactful position on the field? You know the one teams desperately try to find in the draft year after year, and pay truck loads of money to?


And I would take Eli over Marino in the playoffs yes. Regular season stats are for losers (and fantasy football of course). 

 

When people say they would take Eli in the playoffs over whoever, they always forget how awful he was outside of his 2 SB runs.

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4 minutes ago, Evincar said:

 

When people say they would take Eli in the playoffs over whoever, they always forget how awful he was outside of his 2 SB runs.

 

Dan Marino - 252 interceptions in his career

 

Eli - 244

 

Not saying Eli was a better passer but he won huge games that Marino never could

 

 

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15 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Dan Marino - 252 interceptions in his career

 

Eli - 244

 

Not saying Eli was a better passer but he won huge games that Marino never could

 

 

 

Marino also played during a totally different era, so context matters. I wasnt even defending Marino, just chuckling at someone calling a QB like Eli cerebral.

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9 minutes ago, Evincar said:

When people say they would take Eli in the playoffs over whoever, they always forget how awful he was outside of his 2 SB runs.

 

Any QB can win 1 SuperBowl. Eli elevated his game enough to do it twice against the greatest dynasty the sport will probably ever see.

So yeah I would absolutely take him over Marino in the playoffs.

 

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Look at this legend

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The Eli v. Marino concept is a homing missile that crashes directly into Brady Phanboy HQ and detonates with HE devastation.

An okay quarterback who plays on a team with a dominant defense, gets hot at the right time, and manages to win multiple championships?  Who are we describing again?

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Posted (edited)

Which of these guys is more deserving of being in the HOF?


Player A: 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 3x Pro-Bowl

 

Player B: 2x NFL MVP, 2x First Team All-Pro, 2x AFC Champion, 6x Pro-Bowl

 

Player C : 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 1x NFL MVP, 1x First Team All-Pro, 4x Pro-Bowl

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, sSektor said:

Which of these guys is more deserving of being in the HOF?


Player A: 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 3x Pro-Bowl

 

Player B: 2x NFL MVP, 2x First Team All-Pro, 2x AFC Champion, 6x Pro-Bowl

 

Player C : 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 1x NFL MVP, 1x First Team All-Pro, 4x Pro-Bowl

...🤔
“most deserving?”

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5 minutes ago, BMcP said:

...🤔
“most deserving?”

 

I ain't got time for proper grammar in quarantine city

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1 minute ago, sSektor said:

 

I ain't got time for proper grammar in quarantine city

Icwudt

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40 minutes ago, sSektor said:

Which of these guys is more deserving of being in the HOF?


Player A: 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 3x Pro-Bowl

 

Player B: 2x NFL MVP, 2x First Team All-Pro, 2x AFC Champion, 6x Pro-Bowl

 

Player C : 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 1x NFL MVP, 1x First Team All-Pro, 4x Pro-Bowl

 

Hard to pick without more information to go on.

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11 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Dan Marino - 252 interceptions in his career

 

Eli - 244

 

Not saying Eli was a better passer but he won huge games that Marino never could

 

 


Ah come on Cleats...you’re better than this.  Or maybe you’re too young to have watched Marino much?   

 

Eli Manning has never been a top 5 qb any year in the league.   
 

Dan Marino is a top 5 qb all time.   
 

It is the epitome of why SB titles are an incomplete measuring stick for individual greatness.   
 

Lets try again.
Is Eli > Brees?     He has twice as many titles

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11 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Like what? 

 

Name value?

Accolades like Pro Bowl invitations, All Pro Teams and even MVPs are sometimes differentiated based on name value.  At the end of the day they are decided by humans that have biases and their worthiness is not empirical data.

So I like stats too.  And team environments.  And then sometimes there are legendary games and stories and such that fit in.  It all kinda blends together for me, and then I come up with human, flawed analysis.

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54 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:


Ah come on Cleats...you’re better than this.  Or maybe you’re too young to have watched Marino much?   

 

Eli Manning has never been a top 5 qb any year in the league.   
 

Dan Marino is a top 5 qb all time.   
 

It is the epitome of why SB titles are an incomplete measuring stick for individual greatness.   
 

Lets try again.
Is Eli > Brees?     He has twice as many titles

 

I haven't said Eli was better than Dan Marino.

 

I grew up watching Dan Marino to Super Duper and Mark Clayton. Dan Marino was a much better passer, I'll never say different than that.

 

I was commenting to another poster who said Eli was a turnover machine. I posted their interception numbers and he just said it was a different era.

 

I'm not saying Eli was a better QB but I did say he was more cerebral than Marino. If you doubt that go back and look at their wonderlic scores. 

 

Eli won some huge games in the playoffs, could any ole NFL QB do that? Does having a good defense negate you winning the super bowl as a QB? 

 

I said it's an interesting comparisons between the two because I do believe Marino was a better pure passer but Eli was a cerebral QB and was able to come up huge in huge moments.

 

Dan Marino was a regular season superstar but better defenses always got him in the post season.

 

Eli was a regular season troll but would elevate his game in the playoffs and played his best when the lights were the brightest.

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2 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

Does having a good defense negate you winning the super bowl as a QB? 

I don't think so.

But I do think it adds context to the conversation.

Guys like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are never among the pantheon and compared unfavorably to contemporaries like Drew Bledsoe or Mark Brunell.  Bradshaw's in the Hall, but I think a lot of folks would say Tarkenton was better.  That kind of thing.

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12 hours ago, sSektor said:

Which of these guys is more deserving of being in the HOF?


Player A: 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 3x Pro-Bowl

 

Player B: 2x NFL MVP, 2x First Team All-Pro, 2x AFC Champion, 6x Pro-Bowl

 

Player C : 3x SB champion, 2x SB MVP, 1x NFL MVP, 1x First Team All-Pro, 4x Pro-Bowl

Are these hypotheticals or actual players?  Interesting way to look at this issue.  

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