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7 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:

All they did was make recommendations.  

 

Just in case anybody is interested in what extremely intelligent people who have spent their lives studying these issues have to say.

fair enough, but extremely intelligent people, as you call them, have destroyed many a thing in this world.  In fact, there's massive criticism over their initial handling of the issue by not being aggressive enough to figure out what was going on in China.  

My only point was their recommendations do not always have to be followed but pseudo-intellectuals like most of the morons running the major US cities will surely glom onto this panicked approach and do exactly as they recommend, with no regard for the fallout in other areas.

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3 minutes ago, Bugs bunny said:

I think its more that people are being precautionary and taking preemptive measures not hysteria. Hysterical would be more along the lines of running out into the woods, in your underwear with arms a flailing, and hiding out in a cave. 

I'm pretty sure thats what the Fed did today by cutting rates 125 basis points to 0 on a Sunday.  Not all hysteria is primally indicated.

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Not being an expert and having only a passing understanding of the issue, I think a lot of these short term closings won't be as damaging as the superficial numbers might show.  Lots of people will have the same income, or close to it, so they will just have that dinner out or trip to disney in the future instead of now.

However, again not really knowing what I'm talking about, I agree it seems like at some point we just have to suck it up and hope we flattned this out as much as we could.  If we are like, closing all non essential businesses for 6 months, then it seems to me that would do as much or more damage than the virus.  

It seems sensible to really scale things back for 1-2, maybe 3 months and work on expanding our capacity to deal with the problem, and hopefully prevent an overwhelming surge and then, after that, just accepting and dealing with whatever conditions exist.  Hopefully, people develop immunity, or we develop a vaccine, or the weather ameliorates it. But if none of those things happen, maybe our life expectancy just goes down and there's one more thing that kills vulnerable people. 

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2 hours ago, GamblorLA said:

Not being an expert and having only a passing understanding of the issue, I think a lot of these short term closings won't be as damaging as the superficial numbers might show.  Lots of people will have the same income, or close to it, so they will just have that dinner out or trip to disney in the future instead of now.

However, again not really knowing what I'm talking about, I agree it seems like at some point we just have to suck it up and hope we flattned this out as much as we could.  If we are like, closing all non essential businesses for 6 months, then it seems to me that would do as much or more damage than the virus.  

It seems sensible to really scale things back for 1-2, maybe 3 months and work on expanding our capacity to deal with the problem, and hopefully prevent an overwhelming surge and then, after that, just accepting and dealing with whatever conditions exist.  Hopefully, people develop immunity, or we develop a vaccine, or the weather ameliorates it. But if none of those things happen, maybe our life expectancy just goes down and there's one more thing that kills vulnerable people. 

While for most part you are correct. Established Career populus should be more or less fine.

Lots of Lower middle class people are in the bar/restaurant industries. Those businesses themselves are small operations that work on the fringe of making profits.

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Your Rotoworld blurbs of the day.  First was:

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Two Major League Baseball executives told USA Today's Bob Nightengale that Opening Day could be delayed until Memorial Day weekend or later.

Obviously, no one knows for sure how long the season might be delayed at this point as the coronavirus pandemic wreaks havoc across the globe. That said, the speculative Memorial Day weekend timetable shouldn't come as a surprise. Nightengale says that team owners and presidents will have a conference call on Monday afternoon to determine what the next steps will be. MLB has advised clubs to end organized group workouts at their spring training and home parks.

Source: USA Today                        Mar 15, 2020, 3:52 PM ET

Second, mentioned above a few posts, was:

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that for the next eight weeks, organizers cancel or postpone in-person events that consist of 50 or more people throughout the United States.

By their definition, mass gatherings include sporting events -- as well as conferences, parades, concerts, etc. This doesn't come as a major surprise, and seems to be in line with the recent rumblings that it could be Memorial Day weekend or later before the MLB season finally begins. There would likely have to be an abbreviated spring training period -- likely two or two and a half weeks -- before the season is ready to begin. For now, MLB has advised all teams to end organized group workouts at their spring training and home parks and most teams have -- or are in the process of -- sending all players home.

Source: CDC.gov                               Mar 15, 2020, 8:14 PM ET

Both point to Memorial Day weekend now as the earliest opening but not a guaranteed opening.  Just the best case scenario as of now.  Could be a lot longer depending on how the outbreak continues in the US.

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US is going to go into dark mode, essentially, for 2+ weeks. Probably longer. It's the only way to keep things from turning into Italy part 2. I think they'll announce a soft quarantine early this week.

I still think July is the earliest we see an MLB game.

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[ Post removed. Let's stick to reputable reports in here, not rumor mongering. ] 

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8 hours ago, IceGoat said:

 

Exactly.

I have two questions regarding this disease. 

1) How do we know COVID-19 (if left unchecked) would kill more than the flu? It's been raging for months now and there's no evidence it is killing at a higher rate than seasonal flu. The fatality totals worldwide are still a fraction of what the flu kills just here in the US.

2) If this disease left unchecked would, in fact, kill more, it still doesn't make sense that we pull out all the stops for it but life goes on without disruption during the height of flu season which kills tens of thousands of Americans annually. 

 

This x100. This whole thing is getting really stupid. It’s nowhere near as bad as the media is making it out to be.

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6 hours ago, 2ndCitySox said:

I'm going to rush into target and load my cart up with Oat Milk to see if I can cause a panic run on milk alternatives

 

(Also illinois is closing all restaurants and bars effective tuesday morning)

Same here in NYC.

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1 hour ago, Thenewwildone8 said:

This x100. This whole thing is getting really stupid. It’s nowhere near as bad as the media is making it out to be.

Hope you're right. But you're probably not. You think these corporations, organizations, individuals, would willingly give up billions upon billions and send the country into a recession unless a soft shutdown/quarantine of non-essential aspects of society was necessary, or close to it? And in the process torpedo the chances of a very corporate-friendly POTUS getting re-elected? Highly unlikely.

But again, hope you're right. Maybe in 2-3 months we'll have baseball to watch and toilet paper hoarding memes to laugh about.

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1 hour ago, sleepysock said:

Hope you're right. But you're probably not. You think these corporations, organizations, individuals, would willingly give up billions upon billions and send the country into a recession unless a soft shutdown/quarantine of non-essential aspects of society was necessary, or close to it? And in the process torpedo the chances of a very corporate-friendly POTUS getting re-elected? Highly unlikely.

But again, hope you're right. Maybe in 2-3 months we'll have baseball to watch and toilet paper hoarding memes to laugh about.

 

Don't underestimate the wave of political pressure engendered by the media. Imagine the backlash the NHL would've faced had they chosen not to suspend their season following the NBA's decision to do so. You see one state order all bars/restaurants to be closed, then another quickly does the same. 

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11 hours ago, AJdude said:

Nobody has to listen to the CDC.  They're not the law.  Unconstitutional for them to dictate anything to American citizens, especially a two month shutdown of the economy.  Less than 50 people have died, almost half of which were old age home residents in the Seattle nursing home that got blindsided with the first wave.  The Chinese are laughing their assess off at us.  Wouldnt be surprised to see them take a major military action considering the absolutely misguided rectitude derived from the real contagion here, virtue signaling-itis.


You’re absolutely right. I think we should listen to this group from Saturday night instead:

 

 

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2 hours ago, IceGoat said:

 

Don't underestimate the wave of political pressure engendered by the media. Imagine the backlash the NHL would've faced had they chosen not to suspend their season following the NBA's decision to do so. You see one state order all bars/restaurants to be closed, then another quickly does the same. 

 

You think the MEDIA is what forced the entire world to shut down? The media forced China to lock down some of the worlds biggest cities and quarantine half their population??  You think the media is the reason Italy locked down and not the hundreds of people dying every single day (and getting worse every day)?  You think the media makes multi billionaire owners just say “oh yeah, let shut our businesss down for who knows how long: we couldn’t stand a tongue lashing from MSNBC”?? You think President Trump is now the puppet of the media, to afraid and stupid to go against their wishes? You think the media has bought off every major health leader and health organzatjon in the world and made them tell the public these measures are necessary (if not still too little or too late)?? And the media is keeping every county in line: there isn’t any country effected by this virus who has the bright idea: “oh ****, this thing isn’t so bad. We will just stay open and absolutely crush every competitor with the economic advantage of staying open!!”  I mean come on, use your freaking brain (even if you’re not willing to look at the statistics to see why closures are important or not willing to listen to the experts who say so)

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I hate this. I think there has been too much fear mongering as if there will surely be the worst case scenario. I don't remember anything close to this in 2009 when H1N1 killed over 12 thousand Americans.

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I'm guessing the first of July or the All Star break. Purely a guess, but just think this thing gets worse for a week or two, before hopefully it starts to come into control.  Players will need a couple weeks to get ready, they players association won't let them start games immediately.  We may see extended rosters, at least for a few weeks into the season.

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Mortality rate isn’t the issue. It is spread of the virus to the vulnerable.

It might take as little as two weeks to flatten the curve if people only go out when necessary and take precautions.

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40 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

I hate this. I think there has been too much fear mongering as if there will surely be the worst case scenario. I don't remember anything close to this in 2009 when H1N1 killed over 12 thousand Americans.

 

Can you answer me what the worldwide fatality rate was for getting H1N1?  What is it for COVID-19?  I wonder if that might answer this good question!

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4 minutes ago, B&F said:

Mortality rate isn’t the issue. It is spread of the virus to the vulnerable.

 

It's both.  COVID-19 is both more fatal to those who catch it and more contagious to those who haven't yet.

 

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3 minutes ago, merlin401 said:

 

Can you answer me what the worldwide fatality rate was for getting H1N1?  What is it for COVID-19?  I wonder if that might answer this good question!

If you do some research, it's just way too early to compare. For instance, at this point in the H1N1, it was fairly similar. Only time will tell..

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1 hour ago, merlin401 said:

You think the MEDIA is what forced the entire world to shut down? The media forced China to lock down some of the worlds biggest cities and quarantine half their population??  You think the media is the reason Italy locked down and not the hundreds of people dying every single day (and getting worse every day)?  You think the media makes multi billionaire owners just say “oh yeah, let shut our businesss down for who knows how long: we couldn’t stand a tongue lashing from MSNBC”?? You think President Trump is now the puppet of the media, to afraid and stupid to go against their wishes? You think the media has bought off every major health leader and health organzatjon in the world and made them tell the public these measures are necessary (if not still too little or too late)?? And the media is keeping every county in line: there isn’t any country effected by this virus who has the bright idea: “oh ****, this thing isn’t so bad. We will just stay open and absolutely crush every competitor with the economic advantage of staying open!!”  I mean come on, use your freaking brain (even if you’re not willing to look at the statistics to see why closures are important or not willing to listen to the experts who say so)

Think he is inferring that with the current PC culture we live in, companies seem to fear the appearance of not falling in-line moreso than the virus itself. That's just reality. I'm all for being pro-active but don't think for a second the media isn't milking this viewership for all its worth.

 

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27 minutes ago, Ham Porter said:

For instance, at this point in the H1N1, it was fairly similar

 

Not quite. In the first 100 days, there were approximately 180,000 cases of H1N1 worldwide.  COVID-19 is about to cross that threshold after less than 70 days:

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In terms of fatalities worldwide, COVID-19 is far ahead of H1N1 in a shorter period of time:

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All of this info is collected here: https://covid19info.live/

 

 

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Bars, Gyms, Casino's etc all closed state wide 8pm tonight in NY state just announced

 

RIP Summer Bod 2020

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