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9 minutes ago, Wilford Brimley said:

I absolutely am referring to you.  I would have tagged you, but you didn't respond when I did so initially.  I also make these arguments as of the day I originally wrote my message.

You stated "Coronavirus is not a real threat. The media hysterics and driving people to a panic is the damage being done."  People buying out everything, such as medical masks is both ridiculous and dangerous.  It's ridiculous that I had to ask my neighbor for toilet paper because it's been sold out around me - that's really not a conversation that I ever wanted to have.

I absolutely agree that that the hysteria is absolutely ridiculous. I agree that right now (and most likely overall) that the hysteria damage is much more that the virus may cause. 

What I disagree with your saying that "Coronavirus is not a real threat."  That is absolutely incorrect and it is insulting to the many devoting so much time and effort combating this threat which you say is not real.  Why are they if it is not real? Are they wasting there time then?  It sounds like it if this is not a real threat according to you.  Again, the hysteria is unwarranted (it never helps with anything) and it is more of a threat right now. 

You can have two threats at the same time.  You can also have a threat and it be a very low risk, especially with many awesome people working hard to keep it so.  China is a threat in many ways, yet there is no need to panic. There is a lot the US does to deal with that threat.  Emerging viruses are a tremendous potential threat.  It's very easy to say something will work out when you are not involved in dealing with it and I hear far too many Americans take things for granted and dismiss many threats that resolve because of hard work by others. 

 

The bottom line: When you state that something is not real or that it is minor and many people are working hard on it to keep it that way, it's a bit hard not to take it in an insulting manner.

You need to chill out. Like I said, you are getting yourself worked up over words not said and making things up.

It's not a real threat because of the mitigating efforts (that you incorrectly claim are being dismissed). In no way shape or form was it ever communicated that professionals preparing nor the response of leadership was unwarranted nor was I ever dismissive of them and in fact I've directly addressed this misconception by you and another hysterical poster who tried to make the same unfounded assertion.

This argument of yours is all in your head. 

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8 minutes ago, StevieStats said:

You need to chill out. Like I said, you are getting yourself worked up over words not said and making things up.

It's not a real threat because of the mitigating efforts (that you incorrectly claim are being dismissed). In no way shape or form was it ever communicated that professionals preparing nor the response of leadership was unwarranted nor was I ever dismissive of them and in fact I've directly addressed this misconception by you and another hysterical poster who tried to make the same unfounded assertion.

This argument of yours is all in your head. 

 

I disagree.  It's implied by saying it's not a real threat. Be well.

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Just now, Wilford Brimley said:

 

I disagree.  It's implied by saying it's not a real threat. Be well.

See here's your issue, instead of asking the question or asking for clarity for something you were implying that wasn't said, you jumped to assuming... Then when incorrectly implied I directly addressed the implication multiple times to another poster and yourself, yet even after that clarity was provided to you, you dig your heals and continue, ignore the response, and continue to push this argument that literally no one is making.

Have fun making up arguments and arguing with yourself.

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31 minutes ago, Wilford Brimley said:

 

I disagree.  It's implied by saying it's not a real threat. Be well.

This infectious disease specialist agrees with @StevieStats and not you. So there’s that. Have a read.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/03/07/coronavirus-infectious-disease-doctor-warns-against-mass-panic-and-stockpiling/

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49 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Thanks Backdoor.  I agree with his post completely and in fact love what he is stating.  I'm not sure where he says there is no threat.  He states he is concerned, yet not scared at all.  Again, I agree the overall threat is low, and the hysteria is the biggest problem and it is nauseating.    I'll stop though as it's probably pointless.  I apologize to all for belaboring the point - I'm done.

 

He says " I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19."

 

And I remembered the Simpson's episode which reminds me of the media today -

“But first, let’s check the death count from the killer storm bearing down on us like a shotgun full of snow!” – Kent Brockman

“Well Kent, as of now the death count is zero, but it is ready to shoot right up.” – Meterologist

“Oh my god. Damn you, snow!” – Kent Brockman

“All right, snow day! No school tomorrow!” – Bart Simpson

“That doesn’t mean you don’t have to do your book report. What if the weatherman is wrong?” – Lisa Simpson

“Lisa, that man is a professional meteorologist.” – Bart Simpson

“Kent, I’d like to remind everybody to come down and watch me at the Springfield Laugh ‘N Brew, and burgers and fries this Saturday. The forecast calls for a 75% chance of hilarity.” – Meterologist

“I like those odds.” – Homer Simpson

 

https://deadhomersociety.com/2010/02/10/quote-of-the-day-snowpocalypse-edition/

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Ultimately whenever I read @Wilford Brimley and @StevieStats and everyone else here, it seems like everyone is really saying the same thing. We’re just parsing words or reading into what we think others mean. But I feel like there’s actually a “general” agreement here.

More and more talk about stadium and travel restrictions, but I feel like the panic will die down as baseball season arrives. 

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11 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

Do we really need a scoreboard for this crap? It’s like an Olympic medal count for fatalities...

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11 minutes ago, meh2 said:

Do we really need a scoreboard for this crap? It’s like an Olympic medal count for fatalities...


Right lol

 

But considering I hear (in day to day life, not here) people quoting blatantly false numbers, it’s good to know facts. 

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I cringe when I see people comparing this to SARS or Y2K or Ebola or whatever. That's some abysmal hot takes. Those issues had the potential to be catastrophic. Do you know why they weren't pandemics? Because, basically, we had competent leadership that put experts in place and gave them funding/listened to them. Do you know we're currently lacking? Competent leadership that is putting experts in place and giving them funding. This thing is in the United States and it's going to spread because this has been handled in a manner of incompetence that, to put it in baseball terms, would be the equivalent of trading away a team full of pre-arbitration Mike Trouts for a 26 man squad of modern Albert Pujolses. Even still, the person who is supposed to be overseeing everyone is defying actual experts. I really don't want to get political in this forum, but it's impossible to completely avoid if we're going to have a real discussion about the coronavirus. People are dying in the states. More people will continue to die because of truly mind boggling levels of incompetence. It's going to continue to spread in the states. Yes, the people dying are probably old and already immunocompromised. Most of us probably don't have to worry. You should be following the same procedures you should already be following - ie washing your hands regularly and touching your face less. The relatively young and healthy should be fine. You don't need to go stockpile stuff. 

 

Is baseball going to be impacted? Yeah, probably a bit, but I don't think it will be to any significant degree. I think the odds of any player catching it are very low (though all bets are off if that somehow happens). But still - the only reason it's not going to become an even bigger issue is in spite of our leadership. When you dismiss the coronavirus threat you shouldn't do so because other potential threats didn't devastate us - you should instead remind yourself those other issues didn't cause a pandemic because we had strong, competent leadership and proper funding, and ask yourself if this current outbreak could have been as relatively minor an issue if we had been fortunate enough to have those same preventative measures in place this time.

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38 minutes ago, AnonymousRob said:

I cringe when I see people comparing this to SARS or Y2K or Ebola or whatever. That's some abysmal hot takes. Those issues had the potential to be catastrophic. Do you know why they weren't pandemics? Because, basically, we had competent leadership that put experts in place and gave them funding/listened to them. Do you know we're currently lacking? Competent leadership that is putting experts in place and giving them funding. This thing is in the United States and it's going to spread because this has been handled in a manner of incompetence that, to put it in baseball terms, would be the equivalent of trading away a team full of pre-arbitration Mike Trouts for a 26 man squad of modern Albert Pujolses. Even still, the person who is supposed to be overseeing everyone is defying actual experts. I really don't want to get political in this forum, but it's impossible to completely avoid if we're going to have a real discussion about the coronavirus. People are dying in the states. More people will continue to die because of truly mind boggling levels of incompetence. It's going to continue to spread in the states. Yes, the people dying are probably old and already immunocompromised. Most of us probably don't have to worry. You should be following the same procedures you should already be following - ie washing your hands regularly and touching your face less. The relatively young and healthy should be fine. You don't need to go stockpile stuff. 

 

Is baseball going to be impacted? Yeah, probably a bit, but I don't think it will be to any significant degree. I think the odds of any player catching it are very low (though all bets are off if that somehow happens). But still - the only reason it's not going to become an even bigger issue is in spite of our leadership. When you dismiss the coronavirus threat you shouldn't do so because other potential threats didn't devastate us - you should instead remind yourself those other issues didn't cause a pandemic because we had strong, competent leadership and proper funding, and ask yourself if this current outbreak could have been as relatively minor an issue if we had been fortunate enough to have those same preventative measures in place this time.

 

You're going to have to be more specific as to what "levels of incompetence" are being shown, and what "experts are being ignored" if you're going to get political when you say you really "don't want to get political." 

Was it massive incompetence in 2009-2010 when 60M Americans per the CDC had the swine flu and 12K people in the US died? Or nah? Also, many of the experts who helped deal with Swine Flu then are part of the leadership you say is incompetent now. Dr Fauci for example is highly respected/regarded regardless of political preferences, and has said actions taken to this point have helped mitigate the spread, and has said he's been listened to. So again....what are you talking about? 

 

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[ Yeah, we're definitely not going to get political here.  If you can't resist the temptation, then skipping this thread is your best bet. ]

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45 minutes ago, AnonymousRob said:

I cringe when I see people comparing this to SARS or Y2K or Ebola or whatever. That's some abysmal hot takes. Those issues had the potential to be catastrophic. Do you know why they weren't pandemics? Because, basically, we had competent leadership that put experts in place and gave them funding/listened to them. Do you know we're currently lacking? Competent leadership that is putting experts in place and giving them funding. This thing is in the United States and it's going to spread because this has been handled in a manner of incompetence that, to put it in baseball terms, would be the equivalent of trading away a team full of pre-arbitration Mike Trouts for a 26 man squad of modern Albert Pujolses. Even still, the person who is supposed to be overseeing everyone is defying actual experts. I really don't want to get political in this forum, but it's impossible to completely avoid if we're going to have a real discussion about the coronavirus. People are dying in the states. More people will continue to die because of truly mind boggling levels of incompetence. It's going to continue to spread in the states. Yes, the people dying are probably old and already immunocompromised. Most of us probably don't have to worry. You should be following the same procedures you should already be following - ie washing your hands regularly and touching your face less. The relatively young and healthy should be fine. You don't need to go stockpile stuff. 

 

Is baseball going to be impacted? Yeah, probably a bit, but I don't think it will be to any significant degree. I think the odds of any player catching it are very low (though all bets are off if that somehow happens). But still - the only reason it's not going to become an even bigger issue is in spite of our leadership. When you dismiss the coronavirus threat you shouldn't do so because other potential threats didn't devastate us - you should instead remind yourself those other issues didn't cause a pandemic because we had strong, competent leadership and proper funding, and ask yourself if this current outbreak could have been as relatively minor an issue if we had been fortunate enough to have those same preventative measures in place this time.

This is why the media is doing it. Because it’s working lmao 👆🏼

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I am not going to read through this entire thread but these seem to be the facts.

What makes the Corona virus potentially so deadly is the likelihood of it spreading like wildfire due to the longer than usual incubation period when there are not any symptoms.  The symptoms are like a regular flu.  Only people with compromised immune systems are likely to die.

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6 minutes ago, sleepysock said:

TDS? I'd say your fingers-in ears lalalalalala is kicking in.

Do you not see what's happening in Italy? They had 20 cases just 2 weeks ago and will be over 10k very soon. Things are crazy in Iran and Tehran is expecing a 40+% infection rate soon. This thing spreads like wildfire.  Many people are saying what you bolded and denied. One of the big issues in the US is that aggressive response in other countries has slowed spread of C19 and the US has done the exact opposite of an aggressive response.

Look, I'm not an expert. I hope I'm wrong, and they're wrong. But I will take the word of people who know about this stuff over those that don't. Most of us will be just fine. Even if we get it, we'll be fine. But a significant number of people will not be ok, and there will be a toll on the economy, the HC system, and so on.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-dr-james-lawler-warning-us-hospitals-infection-a9385031.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

 

Infections...of a bad flu with everyone with a normal immune system. I’ll ask again for you to show me where the experts are expecting hundreds of thousands to 1 million+ deaths in the U.S. Because that’s what you said.  Some will fall for your deflection, I won’t. I look forward to your timely reply.

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Just now, Backdoor Slider said:

Infections...of a bad flu with everyone with a normal immune system. I’ll ask again for you to show me where the experts are expecting hundreds of thousands to 1 million+ deaths in the U.S. Because that’s what you said.  Some will fall for your deflection, I won’t. I look forward to your timely reply.

I suppose clicking on a link is beyond your skillset,

"Bad flu" is a bit of an undersell when it spreads more quickly, has a longer incubation period, and a kill rate between 10-50x of your typical flu.

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Just now, Backdoor Slider said:

Nah, I got it. 450K presented as a worst case scenario (i.e. won’t happen) is OMG ONE MILLION PLUS AND ITS THE PRESIDENTS FAULT!!! 
 

i said hundreds of thousands to a million+. So that's in the range I stated.

The president certainly has a lot to answer for regarding the terrible response in the US (whether you are a repub or dem, you can't feel good about his outright lying to the public thus far), but he's not the only one.

You need to calm down and start thinking factually rather than emotionally.

Anyway I'm done talking with you about this as there is a brick wall nearby who seems a better conversational dance partner. Good evening.

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Just now, sleepysock said:

i said hundreds of thousands to a million+. So that's in the range I stated.

The president certainly has a lot to answer for regarding the terrible response in the US (whether you are a repub or dem, you can't feel good about his outright lying to the public thus far), but he's not the only one.

You need to calm down and start thinking factually rather than emotionally.

Anyway I'm done talking with you about this as there is a brick wall nearby who seems a better conversational dance partner. Good evening.

“Lying to the public.” But if it was your “side,” it would be “trying to keep people calm. It’s for our own good. What a leader!” I mean, anyone intelligent knows this game. 

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Always during an election year. When the market crashes from the hysteria and puts us into a recession the other side will have there talking points on how they will save us from Trump and the virus. If Biden gets elected CoronaVirus becomes just the Flu or the common cold. My damn lysol bottle says kills Coronavirus that’s a year ago but supposedly it’s some new all world end of days virus. Maybe they meant COVID 1-18 but what do i know. I’m going to Disney once they throw a sale and getting on all the rides no wait while you goons buy up all the toilet paper. 

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There's good advice on how to protect yourself and others from contagions. Please seek it out.

If possible, slowly build a two week supply of essentials. NOT a panic move,  but (just in case) advice. Would include pet food.

Should be a public health issue, not a political issue.

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Are people who have recovered from the virus allowed to talk? I never hear from those people. Only people testing positive and elderly passing away with underlying conditions. I want more success stories. In the mean time while toilet paper is out i’ll be in the wet wipes isle. Clearly underrated during these times.

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What frightens folks in the medical profession is that this virus spreads exponentially. Even with a low 10% - complication rate it will max out our hospitals in approximately six weeks. China, an economic powerhouse of 1.6 billion people was brought to its knees in about a month.

This person lays out the math and logic nicely:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

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10 minutes ago, DivisionVision said:

What frightens folks in the medical profession is that this virus spreads exponentially. Even with a low 10% - complication rate it will max out our hospitals in approximately six weeks. China, an economic powerhouse of 1.6 billion people was brought to its knees in about a month.

This person lays out the math and logic nicely:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236095180459003909.html

This doesn’t take into account seasonal change, which is very likely to slow the spread, as happens with all viruses. It will not continue to spread exponentionally into May and even July, as she lays out. So I’m not sure this is laid out as logically as you think.

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