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28 minutes ago, Slatykamora said:

The Olympics takes a ton of time and resources to prepare. You can't really have any sort of interruption. Regardless of what stage the virus is at in the summer. Getting the Olympics in was going to be impossible. So this is a little different then baseball if it tries to fit in half a season. 

 

Yeah, I still think you have to consider what we're talking about.  A handful of healthy young men, playing a game mostly at a distance, in an empty stadium.  I realize there's a little more to it, but at the same time, I think the average (not at risk) person is going to be doing riskier things than that on a daily basis 2 fricking months from now.  Really, doesn't seem any riskier than buying groceries. 

I don't agree with the president's response and maybe not taking it seriously now will cause disaster down the line.  But at the same time, there IS a point where the cure becomes worse than the disease.  

Just to scratch the surface, are we really going to have a large % of the country go 3 months+ without paying rent/mortgage and small business loans?  How's that going to work?

We can pull it off for a month or 2 but I think it gets pretty dicey after that. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a stretch.

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[ I know that the reference is supposed to be humorous, but given how things have gone in here, a courtesy reminder that religion is right there with politics in terms of topics we don't do here is still in order. ]

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1 hour ago, jonninho said:

Forgive my ignorance, but, lets assume Trump orders people back to work and restricts these guidelines, are States forced to abide by these rules or can each state dictate when their people go back to work and restrictions are lifted?

Trump can't "order" anyone to go back to work if they don't want to unless they are in the military or a federal civilian worker.  And the latter can always call in sick.  Period.

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1 hour ago, jonninho said:

I dont understand how you can compare the MLB with an Olympics games. We are talking about the entire world crunched up into one small area of the world (athletes/fans combined) versus a single nation (sure, some of the athletes are from the Carribean but the comparing number of athletes fail in comparison)

I still believe MLB will be back in May.. that leaves us with potentially still 9 weeks to get this sorted out if we wish to see pre-June ball.

The United States has 327 million, Japan has 127 million, then add in the athletes, no way baseball starts in May, they still need to have a warm up period, my best guess is July.

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1 minute ago, azeri98 said:

The United States has 327 million, Japan has 127 million, then add in the athletes, no way baseball starts in May, they still need to have a warm up period, my best guess is July.

Yeah, the warm up period will be in May.. and beyond that.. games will take place behind closed doors for the majority if not the entire season..

Ultimately, if games are to be played.. the only people they need to contain are people within MLB themselves.. outsiders are not exactly the biggest cause for concern if MLB were to begin playing games again.

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2 minutes ago, azeri98 said:

The United States has 327 million, Japan has 127 million, then add in the athletes, no way baseball starts in May, they still need to have a warm up period, my best guess is July.

I’m throwing my prediction toward a late June, early July start. I think we’d see a shortened season, expanded rosters, fewer days off, more doubleheaders, no all-star break, and possibly a condensed postseason. I’m guessing teams will be allowed to carry two more pitchers all season to account for the lack of a typical spring training, fewer off days, and the occasional doubleheaders.

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1 minute ago, jonninho said:

Yeah, the warm up period will be in May.. and beyond that.. games will take place behind closed doors for the majority if not the entire season..

Ultimately, if games are to be played.. the only people they need to contain are people within MLB themselves.. outsiders are not exactly the biggest cause for concern if MLB were to begin playing games again.

It's not that easy, they have to travel as well, Airports are probably one of the worst places to go. If one guy on any team gets it they have to quarantine the entire team for 2 weeks and the teams they probably played the week before, then what? Do you stop the season every time one guy on a team gets it?

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Just now, meh2 said:

I’m throwing my prediction toward a late June, early July start. I think we’d see a shortened season, expanded rosters, fewer days off, more doubleheaders, no all-star break, and possibly a condensed postseason. I’m guessing teams will be allowed to carry two more pitchers all season to account for the lack of a typical spring training, fewer off days, and the occasional doubleheaders.

I agree, I just don't know how they pull off a  season, if the virus is still here what happens when one player tests positive and the the whole team has to quarantine for 2 weeks including the teams they just played, they can't keep starting and stopping a season.

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1 minute ago, azeri98 said:

It's not that easy, they have to travel as well, Airports are probably one of the worst places to go. If one guy on any team gets it they have to quarantine the entire team for 2 weeks and the teams they probably played the week before, then what? Do you stop the season every time one guy on a team gets it?

I totally get the whole airport thing...

So, can they not travel like many European soccer clubs do? a typical airport trip for a big soccer team would consist of: 1. Board team bus at hotel 2. drive to airport 3. bus pulls up directly to the foot of the plane 4. players leave bus/directly onto air plane 5. process repeats at desired location

The only issue with this becomes the bus driver/pilot and potentially air crew.. if MLB is serious about it.. hire one pilot/crew/bus driver per team for the year.

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12 minutes ago, jonninho said:

I totally get the whole airport thing...

So, can they not travel like many European soccer clubs do? a typical airport trip for a big soccer team would consist of: 1. Board team bus at hotel 2. drive to airport 3. bus pulls up directly to the foot of the plane 4. players leave bus/directly onto air plane 5. process repeats at desired location

The only issue with this becomes the bus driver/pilot and potentially air crew.. if MLB is serious about it.. hire one pilot/crew/bus driver per team for the year.

What about the people who handle their luggage? Hotel Staff? Food servers? Hotels are just as bad as airports. Don't forget most of the coaching staff on each team are old guys in the danger zone. It's a lot harder than you think. The umpires are old too, are they going to charter planes for them too? The virus was not really even here yet and how many members of the NBA have tested positive, it's very contagious. you also didn't answer my question. What if one player tests positive, then what? do you stop the season for 2-3 weeks? The NBA just came out and said resuming the NBA season best case scenario is mid to late June, that doesn't bode well for MLB starting anytime in May

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Luggage handlers, etc. pretty much applies to going to the grocery or hardware store, which you can do even now.  A billion dollar operation that's only using 40-50 people can certainly see to it that everything is handled as safely as possible.  They can, for example, rent out an entire hotel just for themselves. 

Ultimately, if like, Jiffy Loob and casinos and insurance companies and banks are fully open, I really don't see any great difference from staging baseball games.

You can even focus on regional play early on, so they can travel by bus.  Get on the bus, go to your private hotel, go to the empty stadium... I just fail to see how that is more dangerous than anything else, other than being on full lock down. 

 

Are we sure that everyone who is exposed or tests positive is going to be put in quarantine forever?  This isn't some kind of space disease that makes your head explode. We are just trying to flatten the curve and protect the vulnerable during the initial exposure.  Not completely prevent anyone from ever being exposed. 

 

On the other hand, if we are completely bungling that part of the response, which seems like a real possibility, things might become fairly chaotic.  

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18 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:

Ultimately, if like, Jiffy Loob and casinos and insurance companies and banks are fully open, I really don't see any great difference from staging baseball games.

I know we all want baseball but no way do I see us having baseball this year. Too many underlying factors to consider and honestly I can’t see how anybody thinks differently. By the way casinos are closed and in my area banks have only drive ups, insurance companies are not letting the public in there buildings. 

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I understand those things are closed now.  I'm talking about 2-3 months from now.  People saying that they won't be able to have games in empty stadiums in July.  

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7 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

I know we all want baseball but no way do I see us having baseball this year. Too many underlying factors to consider and honestly I can’t see how anybody thinks differently. By the way casinos are closed and in my area banks have only drive ups, insurance companies are not letting the public in there buildings. 

And do you think we’re going to be locked down all summer? Or do you believe in, even say 4-6 weeks, people will be back to work, you’ll be able to go into banks?

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2 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

And do you think we’re going to be locked down all summer? Or do you believe in, even say 4-6 weeks, people will be back to work, you’ll be able to go into banks?

Think we get too impatient. Open things back up and they hit hard by a second wave.

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My hope is we have opening day by June 1st.  That would give us around a 110 game season.  I would be really ok with this as long as we have this virus controlled everywhere in the U.S. and Canada.

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I think MLB should simulate the season with Ken Griffey Baseball on the SNES. You can edit players to reflect current rosters, and the actual players play their character when hitting or pitching. 

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1 hour ago, meh2 said:

I’m throwing my prediction toward a late June, early July start. I think we’d see a shortened season, expanded rosters, fewer days off, more doubleheaders, no all-star break, and possibly a condensed postseason. I’m guessing teams will be allowed to carry two more pitchers all season to account for the lack of a typical spring training, fewer off days, and the occasional doubleheaders.

so, in other words, don't bother.

Might as well just prep for fantasy football drafts at that point.

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4 minutes ago, Slatykamora said:

Think we get too impatient. Open things back up and they hit hard by a second wave.

This is possible. There are signs of this in S.Korea and Hong Kong already (I believe). 
It will be something we deal with all summer, and then next Fall and Winter until there’s a vaccine. 
That said, there is no way the lockdowns continue. It’s just impossible for the economy. So once we flattens the curve (which literally means less peak but longer period of time dealing with it), the country will move forward. 
And I won’t be shocked if MLB wants to be part of the “America is back” tour. 

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15 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:

I understand those things are closed now.  I'm talking about 2-3 months from now.  People saying that they won't be able to have games in empty stadiums in July.  

I don’t believe that is possible. One player, coach, umpire etc...  infected will shut everything down. 

 

11 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

And do you think we’re going to be locked down all summer? Or do you believe in, even say 4-6 weeks, people will be back to work, you’ll be able to go into banks?

I sure hope not. It’s only been a week and I am outofmymind. 

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1 minute ago, Backdoor Slider said:

This is possible. There are signs of this in S.Korea and Hong Kong already (I believe). 
It will be something we deal with all summer, and then next Fall and Winter until there’s a vaccine. 
That said, there is no way the lockdowns continue. It’s just impossible for the economy. So once we flattens the curve (which literally means less peak but longer period of time dealing with it), the country will move forward. 
And I won’t be shocked if MLB wants to be part of the “America is back” tour. 

ABC world news tonight. 

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3 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

I don’t believe that is possible. One player, coach, umpire etc...  infected will shut everything down. 

 

I sure hope not. It’s only been a week and I am outofmymind. 

 

I don't know.  If you are going to shut down any operation based on one infection, that would seem to mean a complete lock down of society until there is a cure.  That just doesn't make sense to me. I'm just some random idiot online, but still. 

Even if Japan and Korea handled it better, it doesn't seem like they'd be having games now and we are going to all stay at home for a full year. 

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19 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

This is possible. There are signs of this in S.Korea and Hong Kong already (I believe). 
It will be something we deal with all summer, and then next Fall and Winter until there’s a vaccine. 
That said, there is no way the lockdowns continue. It’s just impossible for the economy. So once we flattens the curve (which literally means less peak but longer period of time dealing with it), the country will move forward. 
And I won’t be shocked if MLB wants to be part of the “America is back” tour. 

I could not agree with you more.

Firstly, all indications of the second wave in Hong Kong is due to people abroad returning and bringing the virus with them.. and not so much residents who were present in the country for the duration of the breakout... so, this is promising in the sense they know where the 2nd wave has come from.. who is responsible.. and how to contain those people.. i would like to think we in N.American can follow suit..

and MLB for a little while now has been viewed as the less popular of the major N.American sports.. as in.. not as much diversity.. and mostly older people watching/attending.. so, can you imagine MLB.. Americas past time coming back before any sport.. giving all Americans something to look forward to? baseballs popularity will be at an all time high.. and for a sport craving the attention.. they def want to be a part of that.. totally agree with you..

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https://globalnews.ca/news/6726030/coronavirus-treatment-new-york/

Interesting piece of news.

Again, i can not stress it enough.. i truly do feel that with this being the priority of all the scientific minds in the world at the moment, the 24hour clock for research and trials being used wisely.. we're going to come to a solution much quicker than i believe some of you guys think.. Will this be a cure? no, probably not. but definitely a way to help prevent the transmission or lighten the load for the health systems.. allowing us to slowly get back to a normal life.

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