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1 hour ago, jonninho said:

Also, some of you guys/girls needs to learn to be more optimistic.. your negativity is such a drain on people and kills the morale of the people... no different than how CNN and other news stations go about business.. A lot of people have recovered from Corona to date.. no mention of it.. just sickness and death. Gonna drive everyone crazy. We will see baseball and we will see it sooner than you guys all think..

*i do realize the severity of the situation and am in no way not taking it serious*

Yup, 387 people in the US have apparently recovered so far. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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1 minute ago, tonycpsu said:

OK, I thought you were talking about the federal level, but that's quite a false equivalency there.  In one case, real actions being taken at the state level, and in another case, an op-ed saying there should be a Yang-esque basic income, which is itself an idea that came out of the libertarian movement as an alternative to SNAP, TANF, Social Security, etc.

 

I don't want to get into a whole big thing here.  It's a forum about fantasy baseball and I'm just bored.

But I disagree that this op ed lives in a vacuum away from the spoken opinions of folks in legislative authority while debating amendments before passing the stimulus.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/24/bernie_sanders_on_coronavirus_stimulus_can_you_imagine_giving_donald_trump_500_billion_with_no_strings_attached.html

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25 minutes ago, Cesare13 said:

Steals would be REALLY  scarce

Maybe not. No threat of a pickoff with no peripheral vision

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36 minutes ago, fletch44 said:

Option 1: Personally, this might scare me more than the virus. Essentially the government taking our liberties away for 1+ years and then at the end of it and having collected a fraction of it's usual tax revenue creating "major structural reform". Careful what you wish for. That sounds like a recipe for authoritarianism, hyperinflation and/or civil war. 

Option 2:  I'm not convinced we'd have "option one also happen". I do think that regardless of what we do there's going to be tragic loss of life.  You're not going to stop the spread. You can only slow down.

IMO we need to continue to do social distance life while diverting parts of the economy to help hospitals get prepared and get the drug companies all hands on deck, testing drugs, hopefully finding a treatment and then cranking it out. Once that train is rolling things should get back to "normal" (with some caveats) and hope like hell this acts like most other viruses and slows down when the weather gets warmer. Personally I think shutting down the economy until this is over (at least a year?) will do more harm than the virus.

Buckle up and stay healthy everybody. 

Massive loss of life definitely would start another depression, especially if it happened right as the stock market was attempting a rebound. 

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This Financial Times piece has some analysis about the trajectory of different countries and metropolitan areas.  TL;DR:

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The epicentre of the coronavirus is now Europe, with the largest number of confirmed cases in Italy, and death tolls growing more quickly in Italy and Spain than they did in China at the same stage of the outbreak.

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In many countries one or a small number of regions have borne the brunt of the virus. Lombardia has eclipsed Wuhan as the most badly affected region in the world, and in Spain Madrid could soon surpass even that.

 

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In most western countries case numbers have been increasing by about 33 per cent a day, a sign that other countries may soon be facing the same challenge as Italy.

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That last graph is particularly troubling, with the US passing Italy, Spain, and China to lead the world in case doubling rate.  Fortunately, the fatality rate is being kept low by the fact that hospitals aren't overwhelmed yet, but the dam won't hold for very long.

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would be helpful to include another graph showing the actual number of tests performed along with number of confirmed cases

 

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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28951069/mlb-union-weighing-variables-related-potential-restart-season

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13 minutes ago, Picard56 said:


 

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The likelihood of the pause lasting longer is significant enough that MLB and the players are acknowledging a number of interruptions to regular business, including:

  • A later start to the season than June: Multiple officials pointed toward July -- and specifically around the All-Star Game in Los Angeles -- as a potentially powerful way to kick off the 2020 season. 

TuesdayJuly 14

2020 Major League Baseball All-Star Game

Okay, let's cross our fingers this happens :) 

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10 minutes ago, tucker26 said:


 

TuesdayJuly 14

2020 Major League Baseball All-Star Game

Okay, let's cross our fingers this happens :) 

Keep r fingers crossed that opening day starts mid July? F that. We need baseball

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Posted (edited)

I'm taking it one day at a time. My choice my view.

 

Be smart be safe all.

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1 minute ago, Whitecloud0101 said:

Keep r fingers crossed that opening day starts mid July? F that. We need baseball


That seems like a realistic time-frame (with no set backs) and given MLB officials/players are hoping (and reportedly discussed) for that gives a sense optimism when reading the whole article. Any further pushed back you start considering a shutdown of the season. It's good news! 

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well time to roll with urias and luzardo as my front 2 aces in all my drafts.

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1 minute ago, colepenhagen said:

well time to roll with urias and luzardo as my front 2 aces in all my drafts.


And young players that are able to play to double headers frequently get a boost. Or rather, old guys you know that won't are downgraded. And is Rich Hill a potential Cy Young Candidate now? Lol. Can't wait for my 0-10 days from Luis Robert!

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Another one to skip if you're trying to remain optimistic, this one from a nurse in Michigan.

 

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9 minutes ago, tucker26 said:


And young players that are able to play to double headers frequently get a boost. Or rather, old guys you know that won't are downgraded. And is Rich Hill a potential Cy Young Candidate now? Lol. Can't wait for my 0-10 days from Luis Robert!

could of spent like  $15 on glasnow, 15 on clevinger, 5 on urias 7 on luzardo and get 4 sp1 numbers for the price of cole

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19 minutes ago, MrBrett said:

I'm taking it one day at a time. My choice my view.

 

Be smart be safe all.

That's my outlook too.

No one really knows when "normal" starts again.

People waaaaaaay outside my circle of influence are going to decide when they are comfortable doing whatever it is they want to do.  All I can control is what I do.  

Much love for everybody, hoping y'all stay healthy.

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15 minutes ago, tonycpsu said:

Another one to skip if you're trying to remain optimistic, this one from a nurse in Michigan.

 


"Don't go to the grocery store. Don't go to the drive thru's." "Act like you have it and stay home."

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1 hour ago, fletch44 said:

Option 1: Personally, this might scare me more than the virus. Essentially the government taking our liberties away for 1+ years and then at the end of it and having collected a fraction of it's usual tax revenue creating "major structural reform". Careful what you wish for. That sounds like a recipe for authoritarianism, hyperinflation and/or civil war. 

Option 2:  I'm not convinced we'd have "option one also happen". I do think that regardless of what we do there's going to be tragic loss of life.  You're not going to stop the spread. You can only slow down.

IMO we need to continue to do social distance life while diverting parts of the economy to help hospitals get prepared and get the drug companies all hands on deck, testing drugs, hopefully finding a treatment and then cranking it out. Once that train is rolling things should get back to "normal" (with some caveats) and hope like hell this acts like most other viruses and slows down when the weather gets warmer. Personally I think shutting down the economy until this is over (at least a year?) will do more harm than the virus.

Buckle up and stay healthy everybody. 

 

It really depends how you interpret it, and of course, what your views are.  So many people live pay check to pay check that it kind of makes the whole system fragile, which I think is one of the underlying points.  Another thing we're going to have to confront after this is our healthcare situation.  Only here in the U.S. will so many survivors come out of this tens of thousands in debt.  We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world, by far.  And the least paid sick leave of any developed country, by far. And the least vacation time as well. So Joe Blow is going to really get hammered in the United States, like in no other country.  Now couple this with your points, like tax revenue taking a big hit. All the existing medical debt. All the student loan debt. All the existing federal debt. Man, it starts to look like a house of cards.  

 

Hopefully not too "partisan" but maybe more people are going to kind of come around to the view that working in a grocery store, hardware store or gas station is not a crime and we need people to do those jobs, so perhaps they shouldn't have to live in desperation.  

 

There's also the front end failures that are going to exacerbate the back end.  IDK for sure, but maybe if we had done a much better job testing people, we'd know who had already been exposed and those people could then safely return to work, allowing us to get the economy cranking again.  But instead, we were poorly prepared even with adequate warning and it's going to hurt everyone from rich to poor.

I think people from all political perspectives have become increasingly aware that very few of the people in DC are operating in anything close to good faith. I mean sure, politics has always been sleazy, but it's gone beyond that, which is reflected in the quality of life for many millions.  And this is really bringing it to a head. We're seen both parties treating a significant crisis largely as just another opportunity to look out for themselves and their buddies. 

There have been so many, "you have absolutely got to be kidding me" moments from both parties: bailouts for CASINOS? For cruise lines that fly under foreign flags to avoid taxes? Continuing with primaries? Senators doing insider trading? etc.  

So, hopefully this does prompt some fundamental change.  Maybe it's what Homer Simpson would call a crisi-tunity 

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I don’t understand how there can be such a disconnect from MLB which apparently is looking to go full steam ahead in July and the scientists which say that social distancing is required until a vaccine is created.  Unless I’m missing something, which is quite possible.

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2 minutes ago, Fbaseballgod said:

I don’t understand how there can be such a disconnect from MLB which apparently is looking to go full steam ahead in July and the scientists which say that social distancing is required until a vaccine is created.  Unless I’m missing something, which is quite possible.

Are you suggesting we’ll miss two full seasons of baseball? Because a vaccine is going to take 18-24 months by most accounts 

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21 minutes ago, tonycpsu said:

Another one to skip if you're trying to remain optimistic, this one from a nurse in Michigan.

 

Glass half full perspective is not the same as delusion. The person who said we should be optimistic said he is taking this seriously. 

Anything you examine to the level this is getting examined. Exposes the cruelness of reality. It's percisly at times like this you need to find positive and to look forward. You will not reach the ignorant by telling them are wrong. They will only dig into their flawed ideals.

We are self quarantining and a lot of people are getting put into sedentary life styles. These are objectively bad for ones overall health. It does no good to keep the fear up for the people who are already doing everything then can control about this.

You can keep the PSAs visable widely shared. No one is saying to practice denying facts for the sake of a better outlook.

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Just now, Slatykamora said:

Glass half full perspective is not the same as delusion. The person who said we should be optimistic said he is taking this seriously. 

 

I'm not sure what you're reading into my content warnings, but that's all they are.  People who are having a hard time with this stuff should know what's coming before they click on a link or watch a video.

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9 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Are you suggesting we’ll miss two full seasons of baseball? Because a vaccine is going to take 18-24 months by most accounts 


I’m not sure, and no I’m not trying to suggest anything.  I just feel like it’s weird that many officials and scientists are in full blown panic mode, hospitals are running out of ventilators at the very START of the virus, and baseball is like “weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we can get a full season in!!!”

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6 minutes ago, Fbaseballgod said:


I’m not sure, and no I’m not trying to suggest anything.  I just feel like it’s weird that many officials and scientists are in full blown panic mode, hospitals are running out of ventilators at the very START of the virus, and baseball is like “weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we can get a full season in!!!”


I think they have had time to discuss it, like we have been doing here. Seems like going through the motions in case there is a season. They also touched on what happens if there is not a season, and they are at opposition there. The July start feels like a best case scenario...Just to bring some pessimism back into the thread :D . Everyone wants baseball back because that would mean things are getting back to normal and this is the beginning of that plan. Nobody knows when that is going to happen, and I am sure everyone that attended these meetings would concur with that. I doubt the MLB moves too quick here. What a horror story it would be if MLB returned and this spread among the league and extended from there because of it. This thing needs to be well contained before a season starts IMO. If it's not looking that way to start by Mid July, really whats the point of forcing a month or two later??? Is an August start date even viable?

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