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i am optimistically confident that we see a full regular season pushed back 1 month 

 

one of 2 things will need to happen.... cancellation of summer league or the shortening of the 2020-2021 season 

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3 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

Here you go: 

Access to health services means "the timely use of personal health services to achieve the best health outcomes." It requires 3 distinct steps:

Gaining entry into the health care system (usually through insurance coverage)

Accessing a location where needed health care services are provided (geographic availability)

Finding a health care provider whom the patient trusts and can communicate with (personal relationship)

https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topics-objectives/topic/Access-to-Health-Services

In case you forgot the question I've asked:

Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)?

And if you say  yes, how do you suggest that can be done?

So free?  No, I don't think people should have free access to other people's products and/or services

 

Do you?

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It makes me sad that there are still people who think that access to health services should be based on  ability to pay for those.

And  just to clarify,  there is no such thing as "free health care" anywhere in the world.   Nobody is asking doctors and other health professionals to give their services for free. In "free" health care doctors, nurses, hospitals etc are still being paid, usually by the government and/or different insurance plans.

You might be covered by good insurance, but that doesn't protect you. If stuff at your grocery store or favorite restaurant aren't covered,  you are at much higher risk compared to the risk level if everyone was covered.

But what do I know, I am Canadian. We have Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the US has the right to bear arms

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26 minutes ago, iowncrazyhair said:

 

I wonder if this will be enforced, because it seems like a suggestion at the moment.

I dont know if i am being selfish or if i truly believe leagues can return to play much sooner than that and play the games with no fans present...i guess the main concern here would be what to do with the players before/after games. Is it possible/legal to keep them together 24/7 till the completion of the season? away from their families? maybe this is where the issues begin to get bigger because the athletes/coaches/trainers can and many have already been tested.. with negative results coming back.. so why the hold up?

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On 3/1/2020 at 9:44 AM, My Dinner With Andre said:

I‚Äôm curious what would happen if one person employed by an NBA franchise¬†‚ÄĒ not just a player, but a coach, trainer, etc. ‚ÄĒ tested positive for the virus. Would be game over, no pun intended.


Hey actually I was right too (second post in this thread). I forgot I posted this!

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9 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

It makes me sad that there are still people who think that access to health services should be based on  ability to pay for those.

And  just to clarify,  there is no such thing as "free health care" anywhere in the world.   Nobody is asking doctors and other health professionals to give their services for free. In "free" health care doctors, nurses, hospitals etc are still being paid, usually by the government and/or different insurance plans.

You might be covered by good insurance, but that doesn't protect you. If stuff at your grocery store or favorite restaurant aren't covered,  you are at much higher risk compared to the risk level if everyone was covered.

But what do I know, I am Canadian. We have Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the US has the right to bear arms

"usually by the government" Which is the taxpayer.

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7 hours ago, taker35h said:

"usually by the government" Which is the taxpayer.

What is your point?

Everyone gets free health care. Medical professionals get paid. 

What part you don't like?

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22 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

What is your point?

Everyone gets free health care. Medical professionals get paid. 

What part you don't like?

 

Don't yall have like several month wait times for major procedures? went to school with some Canadians who mentioned it so genuinely curious hah

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On 3/14/2020 at 5:59 PM, Backdoor Slider said:

Universal Healthcare...like Italy. Who doesn’t have enough doctors and is now choosing who lives and who dies.


https://www.businessinsider.com/italy-falling-apart-coronavirus-pandemic-doctors-tough-choices-2020-3

 

This is already happening here in prep for the volume increases.

 

Hospitals are doing many various things to prepare such as only seeing people who need emergency help, and doing "drive-through" testing where if you think you're infected, you don't even see the doc. They swab you from your car and tell you to go home and await the test results.

 

You think that there's unlimited healthcare workers, doctors, beds and equipment because we have a private system, but there isn't. We spend so much money on healthcare because of the middlemen, administraton and insurance.

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2 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

What is your point?

Everyone gets free health care. Medical professionals get paid. 

What part you don't like?

The part where I have to pay for other people's healthcare out of my taxes.

One day you'll get a job, see that you only get to keep $1000 out of your $1500 paycheck as is, and change your tune.

Everyone's a liberal until they start working.

 

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3 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

What is your point?

Everyone gets free health care. Medical professionals get paid. 

What part you don't like?

 

"Free"

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2 hours ago, cdrichar said:

 

This is already happening here in prep for the volume increases.

 

Hospitals are doing many various things to prepare such as only seeing people who need emergency help, and doing "drive-through" testing where if you think you're infected, you don't even see the doc. They swab you from your car and tell you to go home and await the test results.

 

You think that there's unlimited healthcare workers, doctors, beds and equipment because we have a private system, but there isn't. We spend so much money on healthcare because of the middlemen, administraton and insurance.

Talk to me when we’re refusing treatment and choosing who dies. 

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7 minutes ago, bradyp713 said:

 

"Free"

Yeah, free healthcare!

Apparently we can just wave a magic wand and the $3.5 trillion in healthcare costs (that make up over 15% of our annual GDP) will just disappear and everything will be free for everyone! 

It's so easy!  What is there to not understand?

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1 hour ago, alexstr said:

The part where I have to pay for other people's healthcare out of my taxes.

One day you'll get a job, see that you only get to keep $1000 out of your $1500 paycheck as is, and change your tune.

Everyone's a liberal until they start working.

 

I've been working since 1997.   I will gladly pay my taxes, so everyone can have health care,  good education and personal safety.

In the long run it benefits society, it becomes more stable and secure.

And if you think that Canada takes all your money in taxes, you are very wrong. on $100,000 income your take home pay is arround $75.000 (example is for British Columbia where I live; other provinces are similar)  http://www.ees-financial.com/img/uploads/Tax-Take-Home-Pay-Calculator-for-2019.htm

I think that accessible health care for everyone is basic human right.  Do you?

Do you object paying your taxes so police and firefighters get paid?  Why only health care?

 

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2 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

I've been working since 1997.   I will gladly pay my taxes, so everyone can have health care,  good education and personal safety.

In the long run it benefits society, it becomes more stable and secure.

And if you think that Canada takes all your money in taxes, you are very wrong. on $100,000 income your take home pay is arround $75.000 (example is for British Columbia where I live; other provinces are similar)  http://www.ees-financial.com/img/uploads/Tax-Take-Home-Pay-Calculator-for-2019.htm

I think that accessible health care for everyone is basic human right.  Do you?

Do you object paying your taxes so police and firefighters get paid?  Why only health care?

 

yeah, i dont get it, in US on 75k yearly, they still take around 20-25k of your pay on all kind of taxes...why not for healthcare too?

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10 minutes ago, L3onD said:

yeah, i dont get it, in US on 75k yearly, they still take around 20-25k of your pay on all kind of taxes...why not for healthcare too?

 

The thing about the US is we pay taxes but don't know what we're getting for it. How much is going to roads versus military R&D projects. We pay some taxes but get very limited welfare for hard times. Like with Medicare/Medicaid/SS, Universal healthcare is something that we know what we're getting for our taxes.

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I'm starting to think Martial Law for a short bit is a possibility. Smh. Literally has my stomach turned. Just gotta pray.

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4 hours ago, kmoore1521 said:

 

Don't yall have like several month wait times for major procedures? went to school with some Canadians who mentioned it so genuinely curious hah

I can speak for myself, other Canadians can add if they want.  I live in British Columbia, other provinces are similar.

For non-urgent procedures (non-life threatening or significant health risk there is a wait time) there is  a wait period. See it for yourself: https://swt.hlth.gov.bc.ca/

So when I had to get MRI done for my ear to see if I am going deaf (I am not, I cannot use "didn't hear  you honey" with my wife any more) I had to wait 2 months.  Being deaf is not life threatening at all.

When my wife went to see the doctor and they thought that she might have had minor stroke,  CAT scan and MRI tests were done within 6 hours (we went to see the doctor at 11am, and we were home by 5pm).  That is life threatening and public health care system took care of it.

When my wife went to the optometrist to get new glasses 3 years ago, optometrist  thought that she has acute glaucoma (it is serious condition that can make people go blind).   She was able to see specialist the same day and receive full successful treatment next day.  This is significant health risk and public care system took care of it.

In all cases that I mentioned, total cost for me: gas money + parking, approximately $20 total

I am happy to answer more questions if anyone has them

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1 hour ago, Gile Pile said:

I can speak for myself, other Canadians can add if they want.  I live in British Columbia, other provinces are similar.

For non-urgent procedures (non-life threatening or significant health risk there is a wait time) there is  a wait period. See it for yourself: https://swt.hlth.gov.bc.ca/

So when I had to get MRI done for my ear to see if I am going deaf (I am not, I cannot use "didn't hear  you honey" with my wife any more) I had to wait 2 months.  Being deaf is not life threatening at all.

When my wife went to see the doctor and they thought that she might have had minor stroke,  CAT scan and MRI tests were done within 6 hours (we went to see the doctor at 11am, and we were home by 5pm).  That is life threatening and public health care system took care of it.

When my wife went to the optometrist to get new glasses 3 years ago, optometrist  thought that she has acute glaucoma (it is serious condition that can make people go blind).   She was able to see specialist the same day and receive full successful treatment next day.  This is significant health risk and public care system took care of it.

In all cases that I mentioned, total cost for me: gas money + parking, approximately $20 total

I am happy to answer more questions if anyone has them

So you pay more in taxes then is required? You donate more each month? or yearly?

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1 minute ago, taker35h said:

So you pay more in taxes then is required? You donate more each month? or yearly?

nope, in BC no payments at all for health care after january 1  https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/msp-premium-elimination-jan-1-2020

before that it was capped to approximately $100/month per family (if my memory serves me right).  So in theory it was ~$1.200 per year  maximum that you can pay for health, for single person was  even less.  And with that contribution if I need  I can go to see any doctor or be admitted to any hospital anywhere in British Columbia.  No extra payments required.

I am curious how much people in US contribute to their health insurance and what is covered?  For example: can you go and see any doctor?

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21 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

nope, in BC no payments at all for health care after january 1  https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/msp-premium-elimination-jan-1-2020

before that it was capped to approximately $100/month per family (if my memory serves me right).  So in theory it was ~$1.200 per year  maximum that you can pay for health, for single person was  even less.  And with that contribution if I need  I can go to see any doctor or be admitted to any hospital anywhere in British Columbia.  No extra payments required.

I am curious how much people in US contribute to their health insurance and what is covered?  For example: can you go and see any doctor?

 

No you just can't see any doctor and have your insurance cover some costs. There are in network doctors/anesthesiologist/surgeons and out of network ones. Prices vary wildly bases on your employers contract with insurance companies, and insurance companies settlements with doctors and hospitals. For example I pay 400 a pamonth for my wife and I, my company pays something, and I still have co-pays and other costs if the insurance doesn't cover everything. There are deductibles (how much you pay before health insurance starts to pay) and out of pocket max costs (how much you can pay in a year before your insurance covers all costs).

 

There are great plans where the employer fronts a ton of costs, and then there are crap plans where they don't. You can also get your own insurance from insurance companies, but it's very costly.

 

If you don't have insurance you can go whenever you want if you can afford it (no one but rich people can).

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38 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

nope, in BC no payments at all for health care after january 1  https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/msp-premium-elimination-jan-1-2020

before that it was capped to approximately $100/month per family (if my memory serves me right).  So in theory it was ~$1.200 per year  maximum that you can pay for health, for single person was  even less.  And with that contribution if I need  I can go to see any doctor or be admitted to any hospital anywhere in British Columbia.  No extra payments required.

I am curious how much people in US contribute to their health insurance and what is covered?  For example: can you go and see any doctor?

 

lol ok we get it dude, you don't like America.  We get it, really.

Your country has its own problems, your weather sucks, your economy is a tiny fraction of ours, you have virtually no innovation, housing issues, treat your indigenous like garbage, etc.

Nit pick at any country and you can find things to complain about.  If anyone gave a crap about Canada, I'm sure there's plenty to talk about.  But no one does, so no one does.

And medically, you guys are no utopia either.  40% of people in Canada wait 2+ hours in the ER and 40% have to wait a month to see a specalist.  Average wait time to receive treatment in Canada is ~20 weeks, in the US it's 3-6 weeks.  So at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

Again, we get it.  You hate America.  Cool.  We're still better than you.

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