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8 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

Holy moly . We have a candidate for Gamblers Anonymous.

Is a game of skill, not a game of luck (e.g. "gambling")

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13 minutes ago, shakestreet said:

Holy moly . We have a candidate for Gamblers Anonymous.

@ST. STEVEN is one of the more knowledgeable and insightful posters on this site. I’m guessing he’s not gambling those fees, he’s investing.

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3 hours ago, meh2 said:

It’s looking more and more like this. Either we get a joke of a season imposed by the commissioner or the players refuse to play and there’s no season at all. I find the timing of Manfred’s comment “"There will be a baseball season this year. One-hundred percent" to be a joke as well. He makes this statement hours before the draft on Wednesday to drum up ratings when in reality no season is definitely a possibility, and one that grows stronger everyday.

My disgust for MLB, owners, and players grows stronger everyday.

Yeah I do not disagree, but imo the owners are less obnoxious here than the players, though that is not saying much of course.  The players are not budging on their 100% pro-ration and look like complete jerks doing so imo.  Not sure why they are so adamantly opposed to giving a little to get more games and ultimately more money, but if they stick with it, then they end up with a 1/3 of the season and maybe some playoffs and anyone that sits out will become a villain.  Literally they are saying we want 100% pro-rated game pay no matter what (which would be fine by itself) and we now want to influence the number of games played and if we do not get to do that, we will stay home because it is not safe lol.  They should just shut up at that point and tell the commish to pick a number and make a schedule and stop the nonsense trying to tell the owners how to run their game when they already have an agreement that they are unwilling to modify the underlying tenants of.  Regardless, there is not much difference between 50 and 80 games if half the league gets into the playoffs imo and while it might prove somewhat entertaining, if a number of players sit out, it really is not going to have a lot meaning imo.

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7 minutes ago, secretagentman said:

Yeah I do not disagree, but imo the owners are less obnoxious here than the players, though that is not saying much of course.  The players are not budging on their 100% pro-ration and look like complete jerks doing so imo.  Not sure why they are so adamantly opposed to giving a little to get more games and ultimately more money, but if they stick with it, then they end up with a 1/3 of the season and maybe some playoffs and anyone that sits out will become a villain.  Literally they are saying we want 100% pro-rated game pay no matter what (which would be fine by itself) and we now want to influence the number of games played and if we do not get to do that, we will stay home because it is not safe lol.  They should just shut up at that point and tell the commish to pick a number and make a schedule and stop the nonsense trying to tell the owners how to run their game when they already have an agreement that they are unwilling to modify the underlying tenants of.  Regardless, there is not much difference between 50 and 80 games if half the league gets into the playoffs imo and while it might prove somewhat entertaining, if a number of players sit out, it really is not going to have a lot meaning imo.

Let me get this straight.

In your world getting paid what your contract is worth based on the number of games you play and advocating for a half's season worth of games this season makes THEM look like jerks?

That's hilarious.

The owners have attempted to bleed every nickel out of them in an attempt to cry poverty while making 100 times more than your average individual player.  They cut minor league stipends and salaries for people who are making barely above the poverty line while sitting on billions of dollars.

This is hardcore corporate shillery at it's worst. 

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good thread on the latest proposal here ^^

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14 minutes ago, CrypTviLL said:

good thread on the latest proposal here ^^

Yes.

And the notion that baseball games can only be profitable based on paying players 50 games worth of salary BECAUSE THEY SAY SO and that some people think, "yes very sound reasoning, get back to work you filthy savages" when they have floated ludicrous nonstarter ideas like rev share and 75% pro rated salaries, based on the fact that they're losing the almighty gate revenue (estimated at 30% of income, but who knows?) when they have billions of dollars worth of guaranteed TV and uniform contracts is INSANE.

Baseball owners are hands down the stupidest, most short sighted owners in professional sports, and that's a fairly competitive race.  It's infuriating how much they have messed up a true opportunity at good will and providing something that could have benefit to millions of Americans because they've been haggling over for what is, for them, walking around money.

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20 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Yes.

And the notion that baseball games can only be profitable based on paying players 50 games worth of salary BECAUSE THEY SAY SO and that some people think, "yes very sound reasoning, get back to work you filthy savages" when they have floated ludicrous nonstarter ideas like rev share and 75% pro rated salaries, based on the fact that they're losing the almighty gate revenue (estimated at 30% of income, but who knows?) when they have billions of dollars worth of guaranteed TV and uniform contracts is INSANE.

Baseball owners are hands down the stupidest, most short sighted owners in professional sports, and that's a fairly competitive race.  It's infuriating how much they have messed up a true opportunity at good will and providing something that could have benefit to millions of Americans because they've been haggling over for what is, for them, walking around money.


Im hoping fans boycott...& I love baseball

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1 minute ago, Whitecloud0101 said:


Im hoping fans boycott...& I love baseball

Honestly if you're a kid growing up with athletic talent in America right now and have the ability to play multiple sports - would you want to play for these guys the way this is playing out?

I wouldn't.  Other sports have financial issues and tight fisted owners who hardball their players too, but this is gd ridiculous.

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I think most of us understand what will happen. The first sport to come back will get an influx of support and new fans. Then MLB and every other sport will want to start up ASAP because they will see the money. This situation has been unbearable for me. Just two sides bickering. 

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Baseball will be fine, it always has been and all the fans will watch as normal when MLB comes back. Owners are just using their leverage that they rightfully deserve. Having a 48 game season would seem pretty fun anyways from a fantasy perspective, should keep everyone engaged and active with such a short season.

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2 hours ago, sjs1890 said:

Baseball will be fine, it always has been and all the fans will watch as normal when MLB comes back. Owners are just using their leverage that they rightfully deserve. Having a 48 game season would seem pretty fun anyways from a fantasy perspective, should keep everyone engaged and active with such a short season.

Why not make it a 16 game season and turn it into fantasy football?  Should keep everyone engaged.

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9 minutes ago, El_Chingon said:

Why not make it a 16 game season and turn it into fantasy football?  Should keep everyone engaged.

Just turn it into a lottery.  Whoever gets the most matching numbers wins the World Series.  Maximum engagement.

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14 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Just turn it into a lottery.  Whoever gets the most matching numbers wins the World Series.  Maximum engagement.

Na 48 games is enough games to allow the cream to rise to the top in roto leagues. Drafting sps early seem like a waste tho in a 48 game season, giving what top sps 10 starts?

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3 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Na 48 games is enough games to allow the cream to rise to the top in roto leagues. Drafting sps early seem like a waste tho in a 48 game season, giving what top sps 10 starts?

An 8-week season will be a total crapshoot, imo. Any scrub can got hot for 4 weeks which will now count for half a season of production. A 4-week hamstring pull in your 1st rounder will cost half a season. A two-month injury from your SP1 will now wipe out their entire season. I can see how this format will be more appealing to those casual fans with short attention spans, but to a diehard baseball fan and fantasy fanatic like myself, it’s very disappointing. We’ll also see more bullpen games and true starters might not be built up to throw 100 pitches until half the season is over. Good luck overcoming a rough start in your ERA, WHIP, or BA categories.

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25 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Na 48 games is enough games to allow the cream to rise to the top in roto leagues.

Wut?  Have you played roto before?

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31 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Na 48 games is enough games to allow the cream to rise to the top in roto leagues. Drafting sps early seem like a waste tho in a 48 game season, giving what top sps 10 starts?

Not even close.  It's 29% of a typical season.  It'd be like playing a normal season that ends in the middle of May.  Every April hot start ever would be basically a league winner.

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15 minutes ago, meh2 said:

An 8-week season will be a total crapshoot, imo. Any scrub can got hot for 4 weeks which will now count for half a season of production. A 4-week hamstring pull in your 1st rounder will cost half a season. A two-month injury from your SP1 will now wipe out their entire season. I can see how this format will be more appealing to those casual fans with short attention spans, but to a diehard baseball fan and fantasy fanatic like myself, it’s very disappointing. We’ll also see more bullpen games and true starters might not be built up to throw 100 pitches until half the season is over. Good luck overcoming a rough start in your ERA, WHIP, or BA categories.

Right, rp's will be much more valuable in a 48 game season. Its just a different season, I feel like we all just have to adapt. A 48 game season is better than no season at all imo, and the players don't want to agree to any of the other proposals. You can overcome a rough start in era and whip by rostering a ton of rps.

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3 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Not even close.  It's 29% of a typical season.  It'd be like playing a normal season that ends in the middle of May.  Every April hot start ever would be basically a league winner.

29% of a regular season is enough time for the best teams to make their way up the standings imo. Yes there may be some fluky hot or cold starts but so what that's part of the game and circumstances we are dealing with this year.

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1 hour ago, sjs1890 said:

29% of a regular season is enough time for the best teams to make their way up the standings imo. Yes there may be some fluky hot or cold starts but so what that's part of the game and circumstances we are dealing with this year.

You are wrong here. This will be the flukiest year of fantasy baseball for sure. There is no skill involved. 

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You are saying things that didn’t happen yet

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20 hours ago, secretagentman said:

Yeah I do not disagree, but imo the owners are less obnoxious here than the players, though that is not saying much of course.  The players are not budging on their 100% pro-ration and look like complete jerks doing so imo.  Not sure why they are so adamantly opposed to giving a little to get more games and ultimately more money, but if they stick with it, then they end up with a 1/3 of the season and maybe some playoffs and anyone that sits out will become a villain.  Literally they are saying we want 100% pro-rated game pay no matter what (which would be fine by itself) and we now want to influence the number of games played and if we do not get to do that, we will stay home because it is not safe lol.  They should just shut up at that point and tell the commish to pick a number and make a schedule and stop the nonsense trying to tell the owners how to run their game when they already have an agreement that they are unwilling to modify the underlying tenants of.  Regardless, there is not much difference between 50 and 80 games if half the league gets into the playoffs imo and while it might prove somewhat entertaining, if a number of players sit out, it really is not going to have a lot meaning imo.

This board is 90% anti owner, poor player mantra.

It's always the one with the most money, that's the bad guy, because he doesnt give it all away.

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2 hours ago, sjs1890 said:

29% of a regular season is enough time for the best teams to make their way up the standings imo. Yes there may be some fluky hot or cold starts but so what that's part of the game and circumstances we are dealing with this year.

The Nats won 93 games and the WS.

After 50 games, they were 19-31.

A 50 game MLB, or fantasy season, is completely worthless on merit.

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3 hours ago, HOOTIE said:

This board is 90% anti owner, poor player mantra.

It's always the one with the most money, that's the bad guy, because he doesnt give it all away.

LOL.

"Have you ever stopped to think that George Bailey should have just went broke?  It's not Mr. Potter's fault he has money and everyone is out to get him.  This unscrupulous libel against rich folk is getting out of hand."

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I get this how the sausage is made but owners out did that phrase. Shame on them for bullying in this situation and then try to blame it on the players. This a quote from one of the owner reps, where they obviously are doing exactly what he called out the union for. I mean, this is straight nasty legal/lawyer positioning and politics. The next cba is gonna be a mudslinging contest. 
 

“We are convinced that the Association has purposely failed to fulfill its obligations under the March Agreement, and has deprived the Clubs the benefit of their bargain in the March Agreement, all while continuing to enjoy the lucrative benefits the Clubs agreed to provide the Association in return,” Halem said. “. . .  This failure to act in good faith has caused enormous damage to the sport.”

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