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2 hours ago, kidtwentytwo said:


see everyone next season 

I think there is a realistic possibility that medical experts clear games to be played in empty stadiums at some point once the virus has been contained. As positive and confident that i am that there will be a baseball season, and much sooner than most think.. i am not nearly as confident that it will take place in stadiums with fans.

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15 minutes ago, jonninho said:

I think there is a realistic possibility that medical experts clear games to be played in empty stadiums at some point once the virus has been contained. As positive and confident that i am that there will be a baseball season, and much sooner than most think.. i am not nearly as confident that it will take place in stadiums with fans.

Again....playing games in stadiums requires not just players, but hundreds of team personnel, stadium personnel, travel in airports and checking in and out of hotels and those employees.  And as soon as someone is exposed from any team or their personnel, it all shuts down again.  Pie in the sky scenario IMO for them to salvage any kind of season even in empty stadiums. Hope I'm wrong.  

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Not necessarily.  Stage the games in Arizona and Fla.  Players live there and prepare for the games at home.  Skeleton crews at the stadiums.  The players can distance pretty well in the games.  They don't HAVE to cram everyone together in the dugouts and so on.  

My central point is, this has to be more dangerous than whatever else people are doing at the time.  If society is on full lock down, then this is not feasible.  If there is a partial return to normalcy, then I don't think this would be anything worse than what players normally do.  Like eating out in a restaurant.  Players and everyone else will test positive, but that's happening no matter what.  We're just trying to flatten the curve.

If this is not the case, then we might not see games for 2 years.  We'll be in the same situation till there's a vaccine.

I'm a lot less optimistic now since our national policy is to ignore all expert opinion.  I think if this doesn't turn into a total disaster, we see games.  But the likelihood of turning it into a total disaster is going up. 

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2 hours ago, GamblorLA said:

Not necessarily.  Stage the games in Arizona and Fla.  Players live there and prepare for the games at home.  Skeleton crews at the stadiums.  The players can distance pretty well in the games.  They don't HAVE to cram everyone together in the dugouts and so on.  

My central point is, this has to be more dangerous than whatever else people are doing at the time.  If society is on full lock down, then this is not feasible.  If there is a partial return to normalcy, then I don't think this would be anything worse than what players normally do.  Like eating out in a restaurant.  Players and everyone else will test positive, but that's happening no matter what.  We're just trying to flatten the curve.

If this is not the case, then we might not see games for 2 years.  We'll be in the same situation till there's a vaccine.

I'm a lot less optimistic now since our national policy is to ignore all expert opinion.  I think if this doesn't turn into a total disaster, we see games.  But the likelihood of turning it into a total disaster is going up. 


not sure Florida is going to be somewhere you want to stage anything in for the foreseeable future.  

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I think sports are done in 2020 unless the virus magically disappears over the summer or society does a 180 on how they treat an infected individual.  If we shut the sport down every time some reliever on the Royals or a guard on the Bengals gets sick, we're never going to play.  With as much as these guys travel, it is going to happen.  Even if they stay at spring training complexes, the players will have to stay somewhere.  They'll be exposed to whatever the hotel staff is exposed to.  It's just impossible to close everything off.  What's gong to happen if a big time college coach gets sick?  Will they quarantine the entire team and forfeit? 

and what about minor leaguers?  When Giancarlo Stanton pulls a quad opening a jar of low-fat mayo, who is going to replace him?  

All of this said, it's difficult to forecast into June right now let alone the fall.  We should have a better idea about the future of sports this year towards the end of May.  

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If they don't start until late June, early July, When is the trade deadline?

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9 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:

So certainly minor on the scale of importance right now, but thinking of some of the players and how this affects their legacy. Remembering that Fred McGriff finished with 493 HRs, 7 short of the “magic number” that likely would’ve made  him a lock for the voters. And really it was the strike/lockout that cost him. There are guys right around 30 that could probably use one more peak season on their resume. A guy like Altuve comes to mind. He may miss out on that opportunity.

Then the young stars, Soto, Acuña, etc. How much will they miss out on “the youngest player to ever do ________.” Or simply doing their own resume building.

This sucks for a lot of reasons, but I feel for the guys who put everything into this, and how losing this season could affect how they’re remembered. 

Well Ted Williams missed THREE whole years during World War II and major parts of two more during the Korean War And I mean major parts as in he only played 6 games one of those years when he was called up and played only 37 games the following year after he returned home (thanks, Baseball reference).  So nearly 5 years during his prime.  If you are great you are great no matter what and will be remembered.

Interesting factoid.  During the Korean War Williams flew several missions as wingman for another Marine fighter pilot.  A guy named John Glenn.

5 hours ago, kidtwentytwo said:

not sure Florida is going to be somewhere you want to stage anything in for the foreseeable future.  

Yeah Florida is the new hot spot.  And Arizona is seeing some increases.

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10 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:

So certainly minor on the scale of importance right now, but thinking of some of the players and how this affects their legacy. Remembering that Fred McGriff finished with 493 HRs, 7 short of the “magic number” that likely would’ve made  him a lock for the voters. And really it was the strike/lockout that cost him. There are guys right around 30 that could probably use one more peak season on their resume. A guy like Altuve comes to mind. He may miss out on that opportunity.

Then the young stars, Soto, Acuña, etc. How much will they miss out on “the youngest player to ever do ________.” Or simply doing their own resume building.

This sucks for a lot of reasons, but I feel for the guys who put everything into this, and how losing this season could affect how they’re remembered. 

It majorly sucks but it happens.  Many players lost years off their career due to WW2.

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Everyone is overreacting a tiny bit to this virus thing

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22 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

How does it not help?  Verdugo is under team control for a few years and looks like a Dwight Evans / Trot Nixon type for right field -- 20 homer type with line-drive doubles in the mix and a wicked throwing gun -- which is a big step up compared to anyone down on the farm to take over in right.  Jeter Downs is now the top prospect in the farm system and looks like a Dustin Pedroia type with a bit more power and a wee bit less speed than Pedroia Prime who can take over 2B in about a year.  And Conner Wong is an interesting throw-in.  A hitting catcher that can play in the infield as a utility player when not catching.  I personally like the return a lot.

You just don't like the fact that the only Jeter around playing now is with the Red Sox organization, hah.

lol no.  If you were already happy with the trade (since you realized the Sox were not going to compete in 2020) then it makes no difference whether there's a 2020 season or not.  It doesn't make the trade even better. On the Dodgers side it obviously makes it much worse since they were trading for 1 year of Betts.  Different situation.

Losing a year can hurt the development of Downs and Wong.  It will likely hurt Verdugo as well.

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11 hours ago, kidtwentytwo said:

and what about minor leaguers?  When Giancarlo Stanton pulls a quad opening a jar of low-fat mayo, who is going to replace him?  


Best effing comment ! 🤣🤣

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Oh yeah I forgot the caveat that all you have to do is be a top 15 player all time and you don’t have to worry about the missed time. Thanks for setting me straight. 

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18 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Oh yeah I forgot the caveat that all you have to do is be a top 15 player all time and you don’t have to worry about the missed time. Thanks for setting me straight. 

I didn't mean it that way.  I meant that everyone is in the same boat so it remains a level playing field and cream rises to the top.  Also mixed metaphors thrown in for free.  🙃

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16 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

I didn't mean it that way.  I meant that everyone is in the same boat so it remains a level playing field and cream rises to the top.  Also mixed metaphors thrown in for free.  🙃

Yeah, but some are affected differently than others. And at different times in their career. My thought had led me to look into other players. We all know Ted Williams, Hank Greenberg, Christy Mathewson stories of the war. I found Cecil Travis. A 27 year-old SS who led the league in hits and hit .359 his final season before the war. Was an all-star 3 of previous 4 seasons, and got MVP votes 4 of the previous 5. By all accounts he was headed to the HOF. 
Then he missed the next 3 seasons for the war. Returned at age 31, wasn’t the same player (obviously), and didn’t make the Hall. 
These are the guys I’m talking about. Again, I know not the end of the world in the grand scheme of things. 

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Has there been any consensus on prospect service time? Is Super Two still the same? This will effect a lot of the top prospects for fantasy. Pearson, Carlson, Gore, etc.

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Well opening day was suppose to take place a couple of days ago (March 26th), but if its any solace opening days use to start much later in the year.  

I recently took up a collection of Yankees pocket schedules and I want to share the date of the first game of the season and the last game of the season for each season.

Now granted they played a lot more doubleheaders back then, but perhaps we can make this work by squeezing in games once they start the season.


1964    April 14-October 4
1965    April 12-October 3
1966    April 12-October 2
1967    April 10-October 1
1968    April 9-September 29
1969    April 7-October 2
1970    April 7-September 30
1971    April 6-September 30
1972    April 6-October 4
1973     April 6-September 30
1974    April 6-October 2
1975    April 8-September 28
1976    April 8-October 3
1977    April 7-October 2
1978    April 8-October 1
1979    April 5-September 30
1980    April 10-October 5
1981    April 9-October 4
1982    April 6-October 3
1983    April 5-October 2
1984    April 2-September 30
1985    April 8-October 6
1986    April 8-October 5
1987    April 6-October 4
1988    April 5-October 2
1989    April 4-October 1
1990    April 3-September 30
1991    April 8-October 6
1992    April 7-October 4


So the latest they started a season was April 14th in 1964 and they finished on October 6th in 1991 and 1985.

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49 minutes ago, Short Porch said:

Well opening day was suppose to take place a couple of days ago (March 26th), but if its any solace opening days use to start much later in the year.  

I recently took up a collection of Yankees pocket schedules and I want to share the date of the first game of the season and the last game of the season for each season.

Now granted they played a lot more doubleheaders back then, but perhaps we can make this work by squeezing in games once they start the season.


1964    April 14-October 4
1965    April 12-October 3
1966    April 12-October 2
1967    April 10-October 1
1968    April 9-September 29
1969    April 7-October 2
1970    April 7-September 30
1971    April 6-September 30
1972    April 6-October 4
1973     April 6-September 30
1974    April 6-October 2
1975    April 8-September 28
1976    April 8-October 3
1977    April 7-October 2
1978    April 8-October 1
1979    April 5-September 30
1980    April 10-October 5
1981    April 9-October 4
1982    April 6-October 3
1983    April 5-October 2
1984    April 2-September 30
1985    April 8-October 6
1986    April 8-October 5
1987    April 6-October 4
1988    April 5-October 2
1989    April 4-October 1
1990    April 3-September 30
1991    April 8-October 6
1992    April 7-October 4


So the latest they started a season was April 14th in 1964 and they finished on October 6th in 1991 and 1985.

Given that they said they would still want three weeks of ST, even the rosiest of outlooks puts us in mid May.

One thing's for certain, if there is a season, it will be unprecedented in how late we start.

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17 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

Given that they said they would still want three weeks of ST, even the rosiest of outlooks puts us in mid May.

One thing's for certain, if there is a season, it will be unprecedented in how late we start.

Shapiro has said they would want 4 weeks of ramping back up time.. Kershaw came out and said 3 weeks would suffice..

I think they will get 2 weeks to ramp back up due to the fact the rosters will be expanding to 29 i believe which will help ease the pitchers back into it

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24 minutes ago, jonninho said:

Shapiro has said they would want 4 weeks of ramping back up time.. Kershaw came out and said 3 weeks would suffice..

I think they will get 2 weeks to ramp back up due to the fact the rosters will be expanding to 29 i believe which will help ease the pitchers back into it

 

The ramp up really depends on how far advanced they can plan. If you can say on May 1 that the season will definitely start on June 1, but Spring Training not allowed to start until May 15, I feel like pitchers could prepare while not being at Spring. I would hope MLB and teams are preparing for this scenario and have some plans in place.

The real problem is the total uncertainty. No one can get a head start without knowing when the season will start, and no one will risk injury by being ready before there is an official start date.

 

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Just a throw in thought.  If the games wind up taking place in a neutral setting, toss all the park factors out the window.  

A lot of people attributed DJLs monster year partly to the park being custom made for him.  Your mediocre Rockies hitters are just mediocre hitters.  Your mediocre SF pitchers are now just mediocre pitchers.  

On the other hand, a guy like German Marquez might be an absolute steal.  

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3 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:

A lot of people attributed DJLs monster year partly to the park being custom made for him.

Huh ? He was leaving Colorado so many expected drop in numbers. 

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Yeah, the expected the numbers to drop.  Then in hindsight, I've heard a lot about how Yankee stadium suits him really well. He was a good hitter on the road but he had 19 HRs at home and 7 on the road. 157 WRC+ at home 116 on the road. 

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Ok, fellas, buckle up. I’ve solved the thing. Send this to Señor Manfred:

1) Do away with divisions. Season is already weird and playoffs are gonna be weird so why maintain arbitrary divisions? There’s a reason to do away with them...

2) ...So teams go to spring training facilities for all games! All the infrastructure is in place: ballpark, team accommodations, TV, etc. 

3) This means you do 16 teams in FL and 14 teams in AZ so there’s an even amount of teams so you can play every day. This is an “East Coast”/“West Coast” split so the divisions, and even the leagues, can be tossed out the window. If DH is a problem, just allow it for all games or decide on a home-team basis or flip a coin or something. That shouldn’t be a hang up considering all the other, more serious obstacles I’m overcoming here 😎

4) Travel by multiple busses (no airports, etc). Stay in private places while in town. Use first several rows of stands for players instead of dugouts. Spread out. No fans, obviously, so there’s room to keep 6 ft apart. 


5) Temp checks 30 min before first pitch (upgraded to actual tests if they become widely available).

6) Strict curfew/isolation during “season” to ensure no one picks up virus. This would only last about 3 months for the season anyway. 


7) Expanded Playoffs. I’d suggest 16 teams total, with an initial 3 game series, followed by a 5 game series, followed by 7 game series and a WS of 7 games. Play the playoff games at either FL location or AZ location. 
 

8. Everyone benefits from this. And I mean everyone: fans get games, players get paid and the pleasure of playing, teams make money, networks make money, teams share some revenue with stadium workers who weren’t able to work this season, film crews make money. The general population gets less stir-crazy at home because they can watch baseball. Heck, Congress could prob nationalize the season so “America” continues, and enforce the rules. 
 

I know there are plenty of other issues, but don’t let those get in the way. This could work. Make it so! 😂

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I think you're on the right track.  MLB should be one of the very easiest businesses to get back online with a bit of creative thinking.  

The bottom line is that all they need to do is figure out how to play a game with a few dozen people and point a camera at it. And the game is already socially distanced. 

Compare that to banks, rental cars and airlines, retail, casinos, hotels... should be a walk in the park.  

But as someone else pointed out, Florida might be off the table because they are Floridaing so hard. 

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29 minutes ago, GamblorLA said:

I think you're on the right track.  MLB should be one of the very easiest businesses to get back online with a bit of creative thinking.  

The bottom line is that all they need to do is figure out how to play a game with a few dozen people and point a camera at it. And the game is already socially distanced. 

Compare that to banks, rental cars and airlines, retail, casinos, hotels... should be a walk in the park.  

But as someone else pointed out, Florida might be off the table because they are Floridaing so hard. 

 

Haha, yeah, Florida doin Florida thangs.

I agree that MLB should have an easier time getting back and running than most other industries.

Regarding the location issue, I guess they could all play in AZ, I just don't know how many parks are all clustered there.  I guess they only need 15, right? So maybe that's feasible.  Does away with the need to dissolve divisions and leagues for the year, and for playoff teams to travel between regular season and playoffs.

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