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4 minutes ago, Sternes said:

 

I recall reading last year how they switched back to a previous scheme last year and he exploded afterwards.  I'm not sure what they are running this year.

Im under the belief, and I said it earlier in the thread, that mixon blew up late in the season because the bengals had zero wins, so while the bengals were really hungry for that first win, other teams kind of went light on the peddle, if uk what im saying

 

that’s why it’s rare for a team to go 0-16

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Mixon is easily a Top 5/10 RB talent wise, however, he’s on a terrible team, with a terrible OL, with terrible clueless coaches in a terrible organization that don’t know wtf they’re doing.   

This dude is gonna shut up ALL the haters this week with a phenomenal matchup on tap...watch.     bold prediction: 14 carries, 64 yards rushing, 3 receptions for 23 yards.  BOOK IT

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7 minutes ago, Chippa said:

Im under the belief, and I said it earlier in the thread, that mixon blew up late in the season because the bengals had zero wins, so while the bengals were really hungry for that first win, other teams kind of went light on the peddle, if uk what im saying

 

that’s why it’s rare for a team to go 0-16

 

Uh okay.  You keep thinking they took a trip to Disneyland, or got inspired by a team meeting of matching the Harry Potter movies. 

 

https://local12.com/sports/bengals/change-in-blocking-scheme-has-helped-open-bengals-run-game-nfl-pro-football-cincinnati-joe-mixon-brian-callahan-zac-taylor-trey-hopkins-cordy-glenn-cj-uzomah-bobby-hart-john-miller-michael-jordan

 

CINCINNATI (WKRC) - With the Bengals rushing attack stuck in neutral the first seven games of the season the coaching staff decided to pin their hopes on pulling off a new blocking scheme.

That scheme, known as the "pin and pull" concept, has worked as the Bengals averaged 123.8 rushing yards per game over last seven games and 4.6 yards per carry in that span. In the first seven games while the Bengals tried to use more of a zone blocking concept they averaged only 53.1 yards per game and 2.9 yards per carry.

"We spent a lot of time when we traveled to London (to play the Los Angeles Rams on Oct. 27), really evaluating what we wanted to do with the personnel up front," said Taylor. "'What are the things these guys are doing well? How do we help the backs, in conjunction with the linemen?’ We felt like we got on track a little bit as we played the Rams, and we spent the whole bye week studying ourselves and saying, ‘OK, these are things that we’ve really spent a lot of time and energy in, it’s just not paying off for us.’ We just want to be efficient and give ourselves an opportunity. You need to evolve. That’s a credit to (offensive line coach) Jim Turner. He spent a lot of time during that bye week determining what we’re going to have to do to get back on track."

The "pin and pull" scheme revolves around a tackle or tight end pinning a lineman or linebacker inside at the line of scrimmage and pulling guards and even center Trey Hopkins.

 

"It's been really productive for us," said offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. "Trey is a really good puller. The more we've found that out, the more we've used it. He's athletic. He understands it. He understands the angles. That part's been really good. And really all of our interior guys, when they've been asked to pull on the perimeter, they've done a good job. Those are things that we've done well. We've probed those packages and ways of running the ball pretty extensively at this point."

It's been an especially effective scheme for running back Joe Mixon, who has been used on more pitch plays over the last seven games and is coming off a career-high 146 yards rushing in this past Sunday's 27-19 loss at the Cleveland Browns. In the last seven games Mixon rushed for 535 yards and averaged 4.4 yards per carry after rushing for only 254 yards in the first seven games and averaging 3.0 yards per carry.

 

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/11/14/20962159/bengals-weekly-lineman-the-transition-to-a-gap-style-blocking-scheme

 

That momentum seemed to carry over into the start of the second half of the season. In Ryan Finley’s first ever start this past Sunday, the Bengals duo at running back scampered for 122 yards on 34 carries. Efficiency-wise, 3.58 yards per carry isn’t much to boast about, but relative to the results we were seeing from the first seven weeks, it’s at least noteworthy.

Just look at the difference in rushing success rate for Mixon and Bernard before and after the Rams game:

  • Weeks 1-7: 37% success rate
  • Weeks 8 and 10: 52% success rate

Now, success rate is a tricky metric because, like yards per carry, it doesn’t complete capture a running back’s individual ability. But it does provide more context for the rushing game as a whole compared to yards per carry.

 

“To be a good running team in the NFL, you have to be able to run all the schemes. You can’t just sit in one the whole game. People will beat you. It’s just the nature of how good defensive coaches go and good defensive schemes. To run strictly zone plays all the time is probably not realistic. We’ve definitely put a heavier emphasis on some of the gap schemes and some perimeter game and things like that. It’s helped us. It’s gotten Joe in spots where he’s good and it’s gotten our guys in spots where they’ve been good. We’re going to find ways to put our guys in position to be successful. And I think we have the last two games in the run game. We’ve gotten to that point where we feel pretty good about how we’re going about the scheme.”

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sternes said:

 

Uh okay.  You keep thinking they took a trip to Disneyland, or got inspired by a team meeting of matching the Harry Potter movies. 

 

https://local12.com/sports/bengals/change-in-blocking-scheme-has-helped-open-bengals-run-game-nfl-pro-football-cincinnati-joe-mixon-brian-callahan-zac-taylor-trey-hopkins-cordy-glenn-cj-uzomah-bobby-hart-john-miller-michael-jordan

 

CINCINNATI (WKRC) - With the Bengals rushing attack stuck in neutral the first seven games of the season the coaching staff decided to pin their hopes on pulling off a new blocking scheme.

That scheme, known as the "pin and pull" concept, has worked as the Bengals averaged 123.8 rushing yards per game over last seven games and 4.6 yards per carry in that span. In the first seven games while the Bengals tried to use more of a zone blocking concept they averaged only 53.1 yards per game and 2.9 yards per carry.

"We spent a lot of time when we traveled to London (to play the Los Angeles Rams on Oct. 27), really evaluating what we wanted to do with the personnel up front," said Taylor. "'What are the things these guys are doing well? How do we help the backs, in conjunction with the linemen?’ We felt like we got on track a little bit as we played the Rams, and we spent the whole bye week studying ourselves and saying, ‘OK, these are things that we’ve really spent a lot of time and energy in, it’s just not paying off for us.’ We just want to be efficient and give ourselves an opportunity. You need to evolve. That’s a credit to (offensive line coach) Jim Turner. He spent a lot of time during that bye week determining what we’re going to have to do to get back on track."

The "pin and pull" scheme revolves around a tackle or tight end pinning a lineman or linebacker inside at the line of scrimmage and pulling guards and even center Trey Hopkins.

 

"It's been really productive for us," said offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. "Trey is a really good puller. The more we've found that out, the more we've used it. He's athletic. He understands it. He understands the angles. That part's been really good. And really all of our interior guys, when they've been asked to pull on the perimeter, they've done a good job. Those are things that we've done well. We've probed those packages and ways of running the ball pretty extensively at this point."

It's been an especially effective scheme for running back Joe Mixon, who has been used on more pitch plays over the last seven games and is coming off a career-high 146 yards rushing in this past Sunday's 27-19 loss at the Cleveland Browns. In the last seven games Mixon rushed for 535 yards and averaged 4.4 yards per carry after rushing for only 254 yards in the first seven games and averaging 3.0 yards per carry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bro it happened in 2018 too. Late in the season he turned it up. To deny that some teams late in the season lose motivation, or some teams become motivated by certain things, is ignorant. The browns shouldnt have lost to the bengals last year. The browns shouldnt have beaten the chargers in 2016(browns won the last game to go 1-15)

same thing happened with the dolphins and ravens in 07. Led to brian billick getting fired

 

 

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1 minute ago, Chippa said:

Bro it happened in 2018 too. Late in the season he turned it up. To deny that some teams late in the season lose motivation, or some teams become motivated by certain things, is ignorant. The browns shouldnt have lost to the bengals last year. The browns shouldnt have beaten the chargers in 2016(browns won the last game to go 1-15)

same thing happened with the dolphins and ravens in 07. Led to brian billick getting fired

 

 

 

Think whatever you want.  If you think teams were going "light" on the Bengals in week 8 or 10 in the middle of the season because they were unmotivated, more power to you.  I'm giving you what seems a far more plausible explanation for Mixon's surge and it correlates with said surge. Do what you want with that information.

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Just now, griffin727 said:

 

Well I don't think it'd any worse than last year, but yea not ideal.

TBF, the chargers are one of the beat defenses in the league, and wont be facing a Bosa every week. Wts, they still have to face the steelers and ravens twice lol

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4 minutes ago, Sternes said:

 

Think whatever you want.  If you think teams were going "light" on the Bengals in week 8 or 10 in the middle of the season because they were unmotivated, more power to you.  I'm giving you what seems a far more plausible explanation for Mixon's surge and it correlates with said surge. Do what you want with that information.

 

 

falcons beat the panthers last game of the season in 2015 to turn carolina into a 15-1 team. Were the panthers looking ahead? NO WAY. Were the falcons more motivated than the panthers? NO WAY. Every team is equally motivated

 

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33 minutes ago, Sternes said:

 

Think whatever you want.  If you think teams were going "light" on the Bengals in week 8 or 10 in the middle of the season because they were unmotivated, more power to you.  I'm giving you what seems a far more plausible explanation for Mixon's surge and it correlates with said surge. Do what you want with that information.

Sternes is correct. they switch blocking schemes last year and Mixon thrived.

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35 minutes ago, Chippa said:

 

 

falcons beat the panthers last game of the season in 2015 to turn carolina into a 15-1 team. Were the panthers looking ahead? NO WAY. Were the falcons more motivated than the panthers? NO WAY. Every team is equally motivated

 

/s

 

The Falcons beat the Panthers in week 16, which turned them in to a 14-1 team. Panthers beat the Bucs the last game of the season to go 15-1. I have no idea what you are saying.  That isn't being said with any /s either. 

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3 minutes ago, Sternes said:

 

The Falcons beat the Panthers in week 16, which turned them in to a 14-1 team. Panthers beat the Bucs the last game of the season to go 15-1. I have no idea what you are saying.  That isn't being said with any /s either. 

What im saying is that scheme change had nothing to do with mixon’s late season surge, because the same thing happened in 2018 with mixon. 

things get strange late in the season

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2 minutes ago, StevenSC400 said:

Its week 1. Definitely some concern here but lets not overreact. Burrow started to look much better in the second half. He keeps making plays and the defenses will have to start and respect the pass more. Also no pre season etc. Lots of factors here. 

Ill give it 3 weeks to get the rust off before I start panicking. They wont be facing the pass rush of the Chargers every week

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1 minute ago, spd2base said:

Anything more to see than just a tough matchup against a good Chargers frontline? I noticed he wasn't in during the 2-min drill. This dude was a 1st round pick for many😣

He’ll never be worth it if they keep him off the field for obvious passing downs. It’s a shame really. 

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I don't own Mixon this year, but I have 3 of his 4 seasons because I am a Mixon truther. The thing I hate the most about how Taylor uses him is they take him off the field in the 2 minute offense in favor of Gio. I was also a Gio truther once upon a time, but man Mixon was an ELITE pass catcher in college and elite in space. For some reason, the Bengals think he is Marshawn Lynch. No creativity, not enough receiving work.

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This guy will only go as far as the offense goes. The thinking was that Burrow can turn his offense around and thus his draft stock was even higher than last year despite a pretty underwhelming year last year, especially in the beginning of the season. The Bengals are going to trailing a lot if we have last year to go off of, and not being there in the hurry up situations really hurts his stock.

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