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Workhorse RB with track speed (4.39). I absolutely love the landing spot with the Colts. Marlon Mack is a good back but nothing too special and injury prone. Elite offensive line and should be very good offense with Rivers. Also, very good HC and GM. Redraft and Dynasty I likey.

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I want you y'all to know three things are certain this week: 1. me pounding beers. 2. me pounding my wife. 3. Nyheim Hines pounding the ball.

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23 minutes ago, BMcP said:

One minor nick is probable lack of passing-game usage.  Otherwise, it’s an excellent climate.

Isn’t Rivers the check down king?

Turned Melvin Gordon into a ppr phenom when Gordon didn’t catch much  at Wisconsin?

I keep thinking ball security is the only obstacle with Taylor, especially behind this beastly line.

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Hoping this guy hangs around later in drafts and i can get him cheap bc people fear Mack- aka Nick Chubb Syndrome.   I think he can be dominant, especially with that line hopefully keeping Rivers clean and opening up holes.  

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1 hour ago, BrianM said:

Hoping this guy hangs around later in drafts and i can get him cheap bc people fear Mack- aka Nick Chubb Syndrome.   I think he can be dominant, especially with that line hopefully keeping Rivers clean and opening up holes.  

i bet taylor is going in the 1st round by the time an actual fantasy draft happens. 

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It's a weird situation and even though i love the talent he will most likely be a DND.

Mack is a good RB. He is a patient runner with good vision. It's not like Mack is a system RB that Taylor can just replace. He's an actual legit RB. Hines is still going to see a lot of 3rd down work as he is a good route runner and a good 3rd down back.

Bleh. No thanks. I'm not going to draft a guy that you have to hope for an injury in order for him to get legit work. He's going to be another one of those RBs going in the 3rd-5th round where people will say "He's talented so he HAS to take over the backfield." Problem is Mack is talented also. 

The pick also makes zero sense from the Colts perspective. 

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2 hours ago, Gohawks said:

It's a weird situation and even though i love the talent he will most likely be a DND.

Mack is a good RB. He is a patient runner with good vision. It's not like Mack is a system RB that Taylor can just replace. He's an actual legit RB. Hines is still going to see a lot of 3rd down work as he is a good route runner and a good 3rd down back.

Bleh. No thanks. I'm not going to draft a guy that you have to hope for an injury in order for him to get legit work. He's going to be another one of those RBs going in the 3rd-5th round where people will say "He's talented so he HAS to take over the backfield." Problem is Mack is talented also. 

The pick also makes zero sense from the Colts perspective. 

Welcome to America!  First time following the draft?  Happy to help...  Please Google... Chris Ballard, Marlon Mack, and Colts Offensive Line.  
Then in September, tune into CBS Sunday morning at 10am and don’t forget to wear your glasses.  

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7 hours ago, Proteus said:

Isn’t Rivers the check down king?

Turned Melvin Gordon into a ppr phenom when Gordon didn’t catch much  at Wisconsin?

I keep thinking ball security is the only obstacle with Taylor, especially behind this beastly line.


Only after Woodhead tore his ACL and SD didn’t replace him (until Ekeler 2 seasons later).

Hines is locked into the receiving RB role for IND. 
 

And Mack is good enough to keep JT on a very short fumbling leash.

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2 hours ago, Gohawks said:

It's a weird situation and even though i love the talent he will most likely be a DND.

Mack is a good RB. He is a patient runner with good vision. It's not like Mack is a system RB that Taylor can just replace. He's an actual legit RB. Hines is still going to see a lot of 3rd down work as he is a good route runner and a good 3rd down back.

Bleh. No thanks. I'm not going to draft a guy that you have to hope for an injury in order for him to get legit work. He's going to be another one of those RBs going in the 3rd-5th round where people will say "He's talented so he HAS to take over the backfield." Problem is Mack is talented also. 

The pick also makes zero sense from the Colts perspective. 


The pick makes sense. Reich loves RBBC and he now has one for cheap.

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Reminds me 100% of Nick Chubb situation entering league. I expect it to work out similarly, down to the long term committee type approach, with JT playing the 2 down Chubb role, due to coaching and FO preferences in both Indy and Cleveland for that approach. In 2 years JT will be a high floor low ceiling back end RB1 getting 300 carries and 30-40 targets per year behind a great O line. 1400 yards rushing, 300 yards receiving, 10 TDs are the kind of seasons I expect out of him, like Chubb

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6 hours ago, Gohawks said:

"It's a weird situation and even though I love the talent he will most likely be a DND. Mack is a good RB. He is a patient runner with good vision. It's not like Mack is a system RB that Taylor can just replace. He's an actual legit RB. Hines is still going to see a lot of 3rd down work as he is a good route runner and a good 3rd down back. Bleh. No thanks. I'm not going to draft a guy that you have to hope for an injury in order for him to get legit work. He's going to be another one of those RBs going in the 3rd-5th round where people will say "He's talented so he HAS to take over the backfield." Problem is Mack is talented also. The pick also makes zero sense from the Colts perspective."

 

I was leaning toward Mack, but unlike you, I'm not going to assume I know their player better than they do. When Mack came out, everything I have listed him at 205lb & they list him now at 210. A lot of surface area & not enough armor, he needed to get bigger & stronger & he hasn't done it! Too upright, wasn't comfortable taking it up inside & wouldn't finish. Now, we can believe that since that was 3 years ago, Mack has laid to rest those concerns. But this acquisition would seemingly suggest otherwise! I get the part about his contract, but that only adds to the fact they don't believe in him right now! Or, not enough to roll with just him. 

About a month ago I guess, someone put out there (may have been Mack's camp) that an extension was in the works, but Irsay publicly refuted that. Totally NG. So, Mack can go out there & mix it up, bang away, but they're not going to reward him for it. That being the premise, they're in a much better position to know how Mack is apt to respond than you or I. All I know is that I'll be drafting in early July & Taylor could be a later-mid round pick. I'm in!

 

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My concern about Taylor as a prospect is that the offense was built around him and that O-Line was filled with NFL players.

Then again I had the same concerns about MGIII.  And Ron Dayne.  So I guess we'll see.

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5 minutes ago, JE7HorseGod said:

My concern about Taylor as a prospect is that the offense was built around him and that O-Line was filled with NFL players.

Then again I had the same concerns about MGIII.  And Ron Dayne.  So I guess we'll see.


well he now goes to the Colts with a dominant Oline- including the best run blocking guy in the league.   And a scatback in Hines to handle some of the passing work.   Mack can be released after 2020.    All sounds extremely promising.  

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Just now, Impreza178 said:


well he now goes to the Colts with a dominant Oline- including the best run blocking guy in the league.   And a scatback in Hines to handle some of the passing work.   Mack can be released after 2020.    All sounds extremely promising.  

No doubt, stick anyone behind Nelson and they can get the job done.

I preferred Swift and Dobbins, but it's picking nits a bit because they all had good lines.

Guess we'll see.  The guys I want from this offense are Hilton and Doyle for redraft.

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5 hours ago, LostAtSea said:

Reminds me 100% of Nick Chubb situation entering league. I expect it to work out similarly, down to the long term committee type approach, with JT playing the 2 down Chubb role, due to coaching and FO preferences in both Indy and Cleveland for that approach. In 2 years JT will be a high floor low ceiling back end RB1 getting 300 carries and 30-40 targets per year behind a great O line. 1400 yards rushing, 300 yards receiving, 10 TDs are the kind of seasons I expect out of him, like Chubb


Completely agree. Only question for dynasty IMO is whether this is better than CEH in KC. 

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39 minutes ago, joshua18 said:


Completely agree. Only question for dynasty IMO is whether this is better than CEH in KC. 

 

I'm leaning CEH.

 

Everything coming out of KC and the other teams FOs have convinced me that the worries that I had that were clouding my profile of CEH were overblown and to trust his tape and production going to that system. He's not too small and won't be a COP back. Veach loves him as their "next franchise RB", Reid said he was "better than" Westbrook, Mahomes hand-picked him, other FOs were quoted saying they were "pissed" and "distraught" that he wouldnt be there early 2nd.

 

As of now - subject to change - I'm all in on CEH.

 

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No offense guys, I like talking over stuff with y'all and I definitely say I've learned stuff here, but I don't substitute some rando on the internet's opinions for my own in any walk of life.

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