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7 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

So you mean people are excited about the new thing which will break down at most important point in a game, upset you and then you have to call your friend to get that DVD back?

I think he was talking about porn, but I might be projecting

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Marlon Mack gets severely underrated on Fantasy boards. He's a pretty good back that will get a lot of work this season. I'm sure they drafted JT so they could let MM walk in 2021, but they'll get their money's worth out of him and save some of JT's first year mileage after such a busy college career while letting the kid get acclimated to his new surroundings. I mean, unless Taylor just goes out their and rips it away from him...which is possible I guess.

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6 hours ago, fluffy69 said:

I'm sure they drafted JT so they could let MM walk in 2021, but they'll get their money's worth out of him and save some of JT's first year mileage after such a busy college career while letting the kid get acclimated to his new surroundings.

This off season the colts:

A. Signed an almost 40 year old QB to a one year deal

B. Traded their first round pick for a veteran

C. Used their top 2 picks on position where the transition to the NFL isn’t bad at all

Everything they’ve done this off-season has been “win now” moves But they’ll save JT’s legs this year so come next year he’s fresh and ready to go....
 

If he’s the best player he’ll play and I would be willing to go out on a limb and say Taylor is more talented/better than Mack.

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4 minutes ago, Ddam2013 said:

This off season the colts:

A. Signed an almost 40 year old QB to a one year deal

B. Traded their first round pick for a veteran

C. Used their top 2 picks on position where the transition to the NFL isn’t bad at all

Everything they’ve done this off-season has been “win now” moves But they’ll save JT’s legs this year so come next year he’s fresh and ready to go....
 

If he’s the best player he’ll play and I would be willing to go out on a limb and say Taylor is more talented/better than Mack.

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14 hours ago, Ddam2013 said:

This off season the colts:

A. Signed an almost 40 year old QB to a one year deal

B. Traded their first round pick for a veteran

C. Used their top 2 picks on position where the transition to the NFL isn’t bad at all

Everything they’ve done this off-season has been “win now” moves But they’ll save JT’s legs this year so come next year he’s fresh and ready to go....
 

If he’s the best player he’ll play and I would be willing to go out on a limb and say Taylor is more talented/better than Mack.

No. They’ll save his legs so when it matters in the playoffs he’s still on the field and not on IR. Just like literally every other team does when they have multiple viable options. 

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2 hours ago, Gohawks said:

No. They’ll save his legs so when it matters in the playoffs he’s still on the field and not on IR. Just like literally every other team does when they have multiple viable options. 

So the Colts are a lock to make playoffs in the AFC? They're going to need Taylor to carry them there. Mack couldn't do it last year. Rivers couldn't do it with the Chargers.

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1 hour ago, smeeze said:

So the Colts are a lock to make playoffs in the AFC? They're going to need Taylor to carry them there. Mack couldn't do it last year. Rivers couldn't do it with the Chargers.

They're going to win the AFC South. Mack was good last year, replace AV and Brissett and they were a playoff team last year. Taylor will absolutely take over, no one denied that. Probably in similar fashion to Sanders rookie season. One thing i saw a lot as a lurker here, a lot of posters don't read posts before responding. Kudos to those of you who do.

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18 hours ago, Ddam2013 said:

This off season the colts:

A. Signed an almost 40 year old QB to a one year deal

B. Traded their first round pick for a veteran

C. Used their top 2 picks on position where the transition to the NFL isn’t bad at all

Everything they’ve done this off-season has been “win now” moves But they’ll save JT’s legs this year so come next year he’s fresh and ready to go....
 

If he’s the best player he’ll play and I would be willing to go out on a limb and say Taylor is more talented/better than Mack.

Yes, they're absolutely in win now mode. They can win their division with Marlon Mack and "try to challenge the Chiefs and Ravens" and they'll need Taylor to be even better than the hype to take a run at either of those teams. What are you actually disagreeing with? All I'm saying is Mack is going to get a lot of work.

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10 minutes ago, fluffy69 said:

What are you actually disagreeing with? All I'm saying is Mack is going to get a lot of work.

Im disagreeing with them using a worse Rb to save JT for the playoffs. The best player is going to play and that’s Taylor.

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3 minutes ago, Ddam2013 said:

Im disagreeing with them using a worse Rb to save JT for the playoffs. The best player is going to play and that’s Taylor.

 

 

Playoffs is what the end goal of the team is, you literally have had Reich and Ballard tell you they have a 1 a and 1 b. It's not like they took Taylor because they were unhappy with their ground game, they said it themselves...he fell into their laps. Both guys are getting carries, sorry if you disagree. Have a good day.

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13 minutes ago, fluffy69 said:

 

 

Playoffs is what the end goal of the team is, you literally have had Reich and Ballard tell you they have a 1 a and 1 b. It's not like they took Taylor because they were unhappy with their ground game, they said it themselves...he fell into their laps. Both guys are getting carries, sorry if you disagree. Have a good day.


Generally agree.   The Colts have mostly used rb by committee since Ballards arrival-  and Mack is going to want a new contract in 2021.    Now they have leverage over that negotiation— whether it’s bringing back Mack for cheapish or letting him walk with JT flashing in 2020.   
 

that said...JT didn’t “fall into their laps”.   They traded up to get him.    So it’s def possible he blows Mack out of the water by week 4 and It’s the Taylor show.   

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9 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:


Generally agree.   The Colts have mostly used rb by committee since Ballards arrival-  and Mack is going to want a new contract in 2021.    Now they have leverage over that negotiation— whether it’s bringing back Mack for cheapish or letting him walk with JT flashing in 2020.   
 

that said...JT didn’t “fall into their laps”.   They traded up to get him.    So it’s def possible he blows Mack out of the water by week 4 and It’s the Taylor show.   

 

 

Absolutely, I should've clarified that they were shocked to still get a crack at him so they moved up. This has been said by Reich and Ballard both. What has also been said is that they have a 1a and a 1 b. I understand coach speak, i also understand it makes a lot of sense to ease a kid in when you've got a very good back already. One more thing, Ballard loves picks....he doesn't discriminate against them if they're of the comp variety. Mack most likely will be moving on.

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40 minutes ago, Ddam2013 said:

Im disagreeing with them using a worse Rb to save JT for the playoffs. The best player is going to play and that’s Taylor.

Unfortunately, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they're  going to use BOTH GOOD RUNNING BACKS and hope that they're both full of juice for the stretch. I capitalized, because you didn't seem to get that part.

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30 minutes ago, fluffy69 said:

 

 

Playoffs is what the end goal of the team is, you literally have had Reich and Ballard tell you they have a 1 a and 1 b. It's not like they took Taylor because they were unhappy with their ground game, they said it themselves...he fell into their laps. Both guys are getting carries, sorry if you disagree. Have a good day.

 

I've heard coaches say they were gonna feed Spiller until he throws up. I heard Nagy say Howard was catching 300 balls a day and was great as a pass catcher. They clearly aren't gonna say we have a generational talent and one way or another Mack will be gone, in these times insurance is good and you better believe if another team has a RB get hurt and they are interested in Mack that they would deal him to get something instead of nothing.

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9 minutes ago, turner46 said:

 

I've heard coaches say they were gonna feed Spiller until he throws up. I heard Nagy say Howard was catching 300 balls a day and was great as a pass catcher. They clearly aren't gonna say we have a generational talent and one way or another Mack will be gone, in these times insurance is good and you better believe if another team has a RB get hurt and they are interested in Mack that they would deal him to get something instead of nothing.

 

 

Yeah once again, I understand coach speak.(I mean, as much as one thinks they can understand coach speak) They'll let him walk next year and they'll receive a comp pick for him. The colts have a plethora of free agents on the horizon and the guys not named Leonard, Nelson etc are good and young enough to be signed elsewhere. As far as trading in season goes, it's possible i guess...but I think they like their 1a and 1b at the moment.

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4 minutes ago, fluffy69 said:

 

 

Yeah once again, I understand coach speak.(I mean, as much as one thinks they can understand coach speak) They'll let him walk next year and they'll receive a comp pick for him. The colts have a plethora of free agents on the horizon and the guys not named Leonard, Nelson etc are good and young enough to be signed elsewhere. As far as trading in season goes, it's possible i guess...but I think they like their 1a and 1b at the moment.

Understanding coach speak in June/July is a thing? Has management even seen their guys in practice yet? If not, would it not be fair to reserve judgment until they can see what both guys look like in the new look 2020 offense? Mack should have the upper hand being the vet to start early, but Taylor is undoubtedly more athletic. We'll see how his elite athleticism translates to the next level. 

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1 minute ago, buckeyestilidie said:

Understanding coach speak in June/July is a thing? Has management even seen their guys in practice yet? 

 

LOL, coach speak doesn't have an offseason. They generally talk year round. I suspect they've seen Taylor before though. They've also seen Mack rush for over 1000 yards at about a 4.5 clip per carry. I'm also guessing Frank is being somewhat truthful in how he plans on using his tandem.

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Never go by what coaches say.  Go by what they do.  And the Colts traded up to get Taylor.  They can't say the truth:  "Mr. Mack, you are an okay player.  But now we have drafted a superstar at your position who we see as a clear upgrade."

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Just now, SharkSwimmer said:

Never go by what coaches say.  Go by what they do.  And the Colts traded up to get Taylor.  They can't say the truth:  "Mr. Mack, you are an okay player.  But now we have drafted a superstar at your position who we see as a clear upgrade."

Go away with your logic! This is the 2020 Marlon Mack..... Oh. 

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1 minute ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Never go by what coaches say.  Go by what they do.  And the Colts traded up to get Taylor.  They can't say the truth:  "Mr. Mack, you are an okay player.  But now we have drafted a superstar at your position who we see as a clear upgrade."

 

 

 

I'm going to go with reich and Ballard over the message board noise on this one guys. They drafted a potential superstar and now they have more cap flexibility next year and a pick to compensate. Both guys are getting work.

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Taylor is wayyyyyy too talented to not be incredible behind this elite Oline. Even if the coaching staff truly intends for this to be a split backfield (which I don’t believe to be the case), Taylor will demand the lion’s share after a few weeks. Great value where he is currently being drafted. 

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6 minutes ago, buckeyestilidie said:

Go away with your logic! This is the 2020 Marlon Mack..... Oh. 

 

 

Great contribution, congrats on being my first ignored poster. Enjoy the season.

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2 minutes ago, FinsUp24 said:

Taylor is wayyyyyy too talented to not be incredible behind this elite Oline. Even if the coaching staff truly intends for this to be a split backfield (which I don’t believe to be the case), Taylor will demand the lion’s share after a few weeks. Great value where he is currently being drafted. 

Definitely agree. I hope the Mack talk does increase. I love the current ADP of Taylor. 

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4 minutes ago, FinsUp24 said:

Taylor is wayyyyyy too talented to not be incredible behind this elite Oline. Even if the coaching staff truly intends for this to be a split backfield (which I don’t believe to be the case), Taylor will demand the lion’s share after a few weeks. Great value where he is currently being drafted. 

 

That's a fair opinion, I disagree on the basis that Mack will run well too and make that decision even tougher. Appreciate the respectful feedback.

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Coaches want to win, they don't care about using one guy vs two unless a certain way gets the results they seek.

Take a look at both Mack and former sidekick Wilkins splits.  Mack does his best with a spread formation, lots of WRs.  I think it helps his vision on the field.  Wilkins is at his best in bunch formations, feeling his way through the line.  Doesn’t need to rely on making someone miss.

Now what do you know about Wisconsin?  They primarily play bunch sets, don't ask their RB to be superman.  Taylor is very good in those conditions, and has that elite speed once he hits a hole.

Another thing, Mack struggles and has always struggled in the red zone.  If they can use bunch sets with a higher % gaining first downs, they ultimately score more and win more.

I think this is a situation where one guy is going to see 70% of the carries between the 20s, and the other gets the TDs and can hit home runs because he's fresh and has the correct chops for running behind jumbo packages.

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