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Tough crowd in here. Expecting a second year back with 4 carries to his name, no offseason, no preseason, a few practices under his belt, to hit every hole and have instant chemistry with the offenive

Before Harris played: Stash him he could be a league winner! After Harris played and ran for 100 yards: I don't know, is he really worth it?  Truly befuddling. Wasn't that exactly was you wer

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4 hours ago, TTo34 said:

If I had to guess what happens now, post Burkhead:

  • Sony will be active now and siphon about 15% of 1st/2nd down work
  • Damien will keep the remaining 85% of the 1st/2nd down work and assume 80% of Burkhead's work
  • White will maintain his current role and assume 20% of Burkhead's work

 

A net positive for Damien I think, and really could be a boon for his effectiveness now that teams won't be able to stuff the box on him.

 

This would be the optimistic ideal, but with Belichick, just never know. One reason to be fairly optimistic still goes back to the training camp ravings about Damien's pass catching. For all we know though, Bill trots out the corpse of Sony Michel to suddenly catch passes.

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1 hour ago, harck said:

 

This would be the optimistic ideal, but with Belichick, just never know. One reason to be fairly optimistic still goes back to the training camp ravings about Damien's pass catching. For all we know though, Bill trots out the corpse of Sony Michel to suddenly catch passes.

Usually the Pats are pretty good about doing the basic, smart thing and letting the other team beat themselves while they focus on their opponent's weakness. I'm surprised they passed it 40 times yesterday against the worst run defense in the league given their offense coming in to this weekend had mostly been predicated on the running game. Not sure what the hell happened there and I think it cost them the game. 

I'm sure Belichick will continue to be completely unpredictable regarding RB usage. 

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12 hours ago, yossarian said:

Usually the Pats are pretty good about doing the basic, smart thing and letting the other team beat themselves while they focus on their opponent's weakness. I'm surprised they passed it 40 times yesterday against the worst run defense in the league given their offense coming in to this weekend had mostly been predicated on the running game. Not sure what the hell happened there and I think it cost them the game. 

I'm sure Belichick will continue to be completely unpredictable regarding RB usage. 

Seemed like they had a good game plan going in and then went away from it, which is silly.

But I'd like to point something out that goes beyond this thread: head coaches, that aren't also the offensive coordinator/play caller, aren't the ones making personnel calls on a day to day basis. 

Belichick might have some slight philosophical inclination toward committee backfields, but that's more reflected in player acquisition than personnel packages on game day.  And I don't think Belichick would hesitate to use a feature back if that guy was on the roster.  But I don't think he wants to invest in one because RBs are generally replaceable on the cheap and have a wide variety of duties, so keeping guys fresh/healthy and utilizing specialists makes sense.  I think they thought Michel could be a feature back when they drafted him, but he turned out to be nothing special.

Harris is good.  Best player on their offense.  But he's not a superstar who can't be ignored.

The problem here is McDaniels.  Very overrated his whole career.  Unfortunately, he's stubborn too and prone to getting lost in his own blindspots.

Harris has been very good.  He should be the engine of this Patriots offense.  We'll see if they identify the error of going away from him and seek to fix it.

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When they got scam they should have thought ok we are a running team now. And based their whole season on that. When they lost Edelman they should have embraced it even further and ran it down throats. No real number 1 wr have a great running line. This should be Jon Stewart deangelo Williams part two the new England years. 

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I could use him at the RB2 spot this week, but have decided to steer clear. Cards are not a good match-up, in fact around the worst (-8.6 ADJ FPA).

Factor in Sony likely to be active, and I just don't think I can take the plunge with him this week.

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9 hours ago, Thrill22 said:

He will be an RB1 for the first qrtr and then they will be behind and completely abandon the run. 

 

This is how I feel as well.  I am most likely not starting Harris this week, but I'll feel good if he's still getting a decent snap share in the second half, when just about everyone believes their ball control game plan will be tossed aside and the shootout will be on.   

I mean, of course Harris isn't going to rival White as a pass catcher, but is he just completely inept there?  Burkhead being out means anything is possible here.  Rex was the one back they seemed to trust both as a receiver and rusher at times, and everyone else was so one dimensional in the game plan.   There has to be at least a chance that they try to throw a little to Harris to somewhat get the other team to not sell out for the run when he's in......................maybe?

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49 minutes ago, BrianM said:

 

This is how I feel as well.  I am most likely not starting Harris this week, but I'll feel good if he's still getting a decent snap share in the second half, when just about everyone believes their ball control game plan will be tossed aside and the shootout will be on.   

I mean, of course Harris isn't going to rival White as a pass catcher, but is he just completely inept there?  Burkhead being out means anything is possible here.  Rex was the one back they seemed to trust both as a receiver and rusher at times, and everyone else was so one dimensional in the game plan.   There has to be at least a chance that they try to throw a little to Harris to somewhat get the other team to not sell out for the run when he's in......................maybe?

The thing is, we don't even know if Harris can catch cause they just don't even try. I'm like, give the kid a chance to see if he can come thru. Maybe he's got butter fingers in practice so they already know. But he was getting praise about it in the off season. Makes no sense.

Now this chatter about Sony? Great. That being said. I'm rolling with him. Don't have many options.

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37 minutes ago, Thrill22 said:

The thing is, we don't even know if Harris can catch cause they just don't even try. I'm like, give the kid a chance to see if he can come thru. Maybe he's got butter fingers in practice so they already know. But he was getting praise about it in the off season. Makes no sense.

 

Yep, pretty much. I think the one thing that might still work in his favor is that Michel has been there 3 years and they never throw to him.  Harris is still basically in his first season since he rarely saw the field in year one.   I never understand the concept of not using your RB's in all dimensions.  Short of you having Derrick Henry or something (who actually can catch if they'd let him), you're not gonna overpower an offense when they know what your back will do every time.  

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1 minute ago, hard1 said:

Ran hard today could not get rewarded with a TD?? In 41 points...very frustrating but dude is owning the backfield and continues to get his 1 reception a game and get a first down with it...

 

Who do they even bring in at the goal line with Burkhead out? I haven't been watching Pats games, genuinely curious. White? Michel? Does Harris get goal line, but never really the focus of the playcall in the redzone?

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4 minutes ago, harck said:

 

Who do they even bring in at the goal line with Burkhead out? I haven't been watching Pats games, genuinely curious. White? Michel? Does Harris get goal line, but never really the focus of the playcall in the redzone?

I didn't get to watch today's but appears scam is still doing his thing... its just odd cause harris is running at will based on the stats...and not getting the tds

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It doesn’t feel like it because cam is robbing him of TDs but the arrow is pointed up. I thought white would be way more involved. Ended up grabbing him just in case but he isn’t. Michel is basically a backup to Harris. And usually as the season gets deeper toward winter the pats usually like to run the ball more. You just have to hope he gets just a bit more involved in the passing game and cam gets a little bit less rushing touchdowns.

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3 hours ago, hard1 said:

I didn't get to watch today's but appears scam is still doing his thing... its just odd cause harris is running at will based on the stats...and not getting the tds


Cam won’t be around next year, and we should see more goal line ops for the kid. 

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13 hours ago, Flyman75 said:


Cam won’t be around next year, and we should see more goal line ops for the kid. 

he won't? you sure of this? scam is awful, but i haven't seen any evidence of the pats moving on. 

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1 hour ago, zorndogs said:

He will be the death of us all. He's never going to have that game. He's a seat filler. I benched him for Booker who scored less than him, but I dont regret it. Harris is just limited in this offense

yah he's very difficult to trust...i mean the pats had a massive lead and they still didn't run it down the chargers throats with harris. if harris can't get 20 carries in a game like this, while also knowing scam will be there to vulture tds, you can't trust him at all. And it's sad because harris looks legit!

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