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25 minutes ago, BMcP said:

Bold prediction: the following teams are pressured into changing their name by end-of-year 2020:

Redskins

Chiefs

Indians

Braves

Raiders/Buccaneers/Pirates (honoring a ruthless band of rapists, murderous thieves)

Giants (offensive to people of small stature)

Jets (“jet” meaning “black” and therefore offensive to people of black skin color)

Browns/Reds (again, references to skin tone)

Yankees (offensive to northeasterners)

Bengals (offensive to a particular ethnicity)

Cowboys (offensive to Native Americans as their ancestral foes)

Did I miss any?

Browns 

Warriors (obviously offensive to veterans)

76ers (history is stupid)

Angels (offensive to religious people)

Vikings (they also killed and stuff)

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

Browns 

Warriors (obviously offensive to veterans)

76ers (history is stupid)

Angels (offensive to religious people)

Vikings (they also killed and stuff)

 

 

 

 

Good ones, though I did include the Browns.

Good call on Angels - clearly the Saints needs to go as well - offensive to people of non-Christian religious denominations and atheists.

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2 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Browns 

Warriors (obviously offensive to veterans)

76ers (history is stupid)

Angels (offensive to religious people)

Vikings (they also killed and stuff)

 

2 hours ago, BMcP said:

Good ones, though I did include the Browns.

Good call on Angels - clearly the Saints needs to go as well - offensive to people of non-Christian religious denominations and atheists.

49ers (westward expansion for gold=bad for Native Americans)

Patriots (militaristic)

Sooners (kicked Native Americans off their land)

Volunteers (comes from Tennesseeans volunteering for the Battle of New Orleans and Texian War Of Independence--Andrew Jackson=bad, Mexican War=bad)

Gamecocks (sounds sexual)

Padres, Astros (Spanish word=cultural appropriation)

Jazz (something something cultural appropriation for a team in Utah)

Seminoles, Utes

Hurricanes (offensive to people harmed by Hurricanes--often non white ethnicities so also racist by default)

Fighting Illini (violent so bad--that's why they got rid of the Bullets and came up with a half baked name like Wizards)

Trail Blazers (more westward expansion by pioneers--also racist)

Blue Jackets (Blue Jacket was worn by lead Chief of the Shawnees in the War of 1812)

 

Sad thing is I don't know how many of these are seriously gonna become controversial

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Also, any mascot that is an animal must be banned due to animal exploitation.

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29 minutes ago, El_Chingon said:

Also, any mascot that is an animal must be banned due to animal exploitation.

No they need to be banned because they’re ******** furries in disguise. 

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Completely forgot about the Fighting Irish - big, big no-no, there.  Get that changed stat.

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7 hours ago, BMcP said:

Bold prediction: the following teams are pressured into changing their name by end-of-year 2020:

Redskins

Chiefs

Indians

Braves

Raiders/Buccaneers/Pirates (honoring a ruthless band of rapists, murderous thieves)

Giants (offensive to people of small stature)

Jets (“jet” meaning “black” and therefore offensive to people of black skin color)

Browns/Reds (again, references to skin tone)

Yankees (offensive to northeasterners)

Bengals (offensive to a particular ethnicity)

Cowboys (offensive to Native Americans as their ancestral foes)

Did I miss any?

Well you're one for one maybe already. 

 

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18 minutes ago, The 7th Beatles said:

Well you're one for one maybe already. 

 

There we go!  And now we watch the dominoes fall....

Less bold by far: the “Tomahawk Chop” gets eliminated.

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Packers (originated from the Indian Meat Packing Co). Not pc on multiple fronts.

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Bears: attack and kill humans.  Why celebrate them?

Suggestion: Chicago Play-Doh.

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As an outsider I have little problem with Chiefs or Indians, or Seminoles (which is sanctioned by the actual Seminoles) but Redskins just absolutely has to go in 2020. That's just 50 years too late.

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44 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

As an outsider I have little problem with Chiefs or Indians, or Seminoles (which is sanctioned by the actual Seminoles) but Redskins just absolutely has to go in 2020. That's just 50 years too late.

As an outsider, who has no potential of being offended by said names, why do you believe your opinion on the matter relevant?

Not trying to be flippant, just asking honestly.

(BTW: If you think the FSU “Seminoles” is not considered offensive by many Seminoles, particularly those populating Oklahoma, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.)

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45 minutes ago, BMcP said:

As an outsider, who has no potential of being offended by said names, why do you believe your opinion on the matter relevant?

Not trying to be flippant, just asking honestly.

(BTW: If you think the FSU “Seminoles” is not considered offensive by many Seminoles, particularly those populating Oklahoma, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.)

Being outside the target group does not preclude a person from finding a slur offensive. I'm not black but I find the n-word extremely offensive and if I objected to its use and was told not to be offended because it's not relevant to me I would not accept that. Besides the moral imperative of defending others when they are attacked unfairly regardless of whether you're directly injured, bigotry affects everyone in a society, not only the targets of particular instances. Racism against anyone validates racism as a concept. It should have no place in our public culture. 

That said, I must first know that a given term is actually offensive to the group it refers to. Although "Redskins" seems to me like it would be offensive, it is not conclusive to me that Native Americans hold it to be offensive. Two well known polls, one by Annenberg the other by the Washington Post have found that 90% of Native Americans polled do not find the name offensive. Some Native American groups have vocally opposed the name, while some have actually supported it. What is needed is a clear expression by the majority of all Native Americans that the term is offensive. I don't know exactly how such a referendum could be done but if such a hypothetical referendum showed majority support -- or even strong minority support -- for changing the name, I would fully support it. 

You're correct about the Seminoles of Oklahoma finding the FSU name offensive, but the Seminoles of Florida officially sanction its use and the team's mascot -- which was redesigned in the 1970s by the Florida Seminole tribe and uses authentic regalia -- is specifically supposed to depict Seminoles of that state. I don't object to the use of the name of a Native tribe as a team mascot when the tribe itself affirms its use.

https://fourthpartoftheworld.wordpress.com/2019/05/20/florida-state-universitys-seminole-mascot-as-an-issue-of-native-american-sovereignty/

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13 minutes ago, rex_bulkhead said:

Being outside the target group does not preclude a person from finding a slur offensive. I'm not black but I find the n-word extremely offensive and if I objected to its use and was told not to be offended because it's not relevant to me I would not accept that. Besides the moral imperative of defending others when they are attacked unfairly regardless of whether you're directly injured, bigotry affects everyone in a society, not only the targets of particular instances. Racism against anyone validates racism as a concept. It should have no place in our public culture. 

Boom. Well said.

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Thanks for chiming in - I have no reason to speak, but using a horse named “Renegade” and a flaming spear (Note: they never used spears) seems a bit gross.  Thanks for speaking up and realize we’re all saying this out of a desire to understand more and love more 

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9 hours ago, this guy right here said:

2020 Bold Predictions

There is a season.

Gosh I hope so. 

Otherwise another not-so-bold prediction:  Us "power users" that are on a FF forum in July will be severely disappointed, given all the preparation we are doing now in planning for a season.

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28 minutes ago, CooL said:

Us "power users" that are on a FF forum in July will be severely disappointed

Yes, but that's a given anyway, season or not. Let's face it, disappointment is so much part of fantasy that it's almost unhealthy ;)

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1 hour ago, rex_bulkhead said:

Being outside the target group does not preclude a person from finding a slur offensive. I'm not black but I find the n-word extremely offensive and if I objected to its use and was told not to be offended because it's not relevant to me I would not accept that. Besides the moral imperative of defending others when they are attacked unfairly regardless of whether you're directly injured, bigotry affects everyone in a society, not only the targets of particular instances. Racism against anyone validates racism as a concept. It should have no place in our public culture. 

That said, I must first know that a given term is actually offensive to the group it refers to. Although "Redskins" seems to me like it would be offensive, it is not conclusive to me that Native Americans hold it to be offensive. Two well known polls, one by Annenberg the other by the Washington Post have found that 90% of Native Americans polled do not find the name offensive. Some Native American groups have vocally opposed the name, while some have actually supported it. What is needed is a clear expression by the majority of all Native Americans that the term is offensive. I don't know exactly how such a referendum could be done but if such a hypothetical referendum showed majority support -- or even strong minority support -- for changing the name, I would fully support it. 

You're correct about the Seminoles of Oklahoma finding the FSU name offensive, but the Seminoles of Florida officially sanction its use and the team's mascot -- which was redesigned in the 1970s by the Florida Seminole tribe and uses authentic regalia -- is specifically supposed to depict Seminoles of that state. I don't object to the use of the name of a Native tribe as a team mascot when the tribe itself affirms its use.

https://fourthpartoftheworld.wordpress.com/2019/05/20/florida-state-universitys-seminole-mascot-as-an-issue-of-native-american-sovereignty/

It’s a tough slope. People like to be offended on the behalf of other people and it’s damn annoying.

Like group X being offended for group Y because of Z. Yet the majority of group Y doesn’t find Z offensive. It’s just the lowest form of virtue signalling out there.

I agree that you don’t have to be a certain group to be offended by something that pertains to that group just like you don’t have to be a certain group to speak on issues impacting that group. However, there’s also times when people just take it too far. So it’s on a case by case basis in the end. That’s just my take on it.

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I don’t want to speak on anyone else’s behalf - and I’m not Native American (though I have Native friends) - but in all my years, I’ve never heard or seen anyone use the term “Redskin” in a derogatory way to refer to a Native American.  The fact that most Natives polled either consider it an honorific or aren’t bothered by it (multiple school teams on reservations have been named the “Redskins” of their own volition) leads me to believe it isn’t widely considered derogatory by the segment of the population potentially offended.

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12 minutes ago, BMcP said:

I don’t want to speak on anyone else’s behalf - and I’m not Native American (though I have Native friends) - but in all my years, I’ve never heard or seen anyone use the term “Redskin” in a derogatory way to refer to a Native American.  The fact that most Natives polled either consider it an honorific or aren’t bothered by it (multiple school teams on reservations have been named the “Redskins” of their own volition) leads me to believe it isn’t widely considered derogatory by the segment of the population potentially offended.

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19 hours ago, mocha4313 said:

Sooners (kicked Native Americans off their land)

 

Not only will we have to change the name Sooners we will also have to change the name Oklahoma since it is based on Native American (Choctaw) words "okla humma" which translates as red people.

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15 minutes ago, ncbobcats said:

 

Not only will we have to change the name Sooners we will also have to change the name Oklahoma since it is based on Native American (Choctaw) words "okla humma" which translates as red people.

 

So the Oklahoma Redskins would be Moon Moon in the sports world.

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13 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

As an outsider I have little problem with Chiefs or Indians, or Seminoles (which is sanctioned by the actual Seminoles) but Redskins just absolutely has to go in 2020. That's just 50 years too late.

Agreed.

I have no idea how Native Americans feel about their culture being co-opted for sportsball teams, but using what is clearly a derogatory slur is just wrong.

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I don’t see why Goodell - and all pro sports leagues for that matter - don’t just institute rules governing team names: for example, only animals and objects are permissible team names.  It would put a swift end to any controversy surrounding the subject.  Or abstract nouns.

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