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What a mess!

When they announced 31 players had tested positive a few days ago I, like a lot of us, figured it was for all the players but not so.  More names seemed to trickle in.  And I thought what is going on?  Now it is becoming clearer what a disorganized cluster-you-know-what this testing is becoming.  Just look at some of this:
 

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Alex Coffey of The Athletic reports that the A's are facing a delay in their COVID-19 test results.

The A's haven't even had their first full squad workout, as all players and personnel must test negative before participating. The tests were still in San Francisco late Sunday, waiting to be shipped to Utah early Monday morning. Apparently the delay is due to the holiday weekend, which one thinks would have been considered when this testing was implemented. Guess not. "If possible, I'm as frustrated & pissed as you are," Athletics general manager David Forst wrote to players and staff on Sunday night. Meanwhile, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes that testers didn't even show up for multiple teams on Sunday, including the Angels. If MLB wants to pull this off, there's no excuse for this to be happening.

Source: The Athletic                 Jul 6, 2020, 8:48 AM ET

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The Nationals have canceled their scheduled team workout on Monday due to a delay in getting back COVID-19 test results.

The Nationals had all their players and staff tested on Friday and still haven't received the results. Needless to say, Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo isn't pleased with how this has played out. "We will not sacrifice the health and safety of our players, staff and their families," Rizzo wrote in a statement. "Without accurate and timely testing it is simply not safe for us to continue with summer camp. Major League Baseball needs to work quickly to resolve issues with their process and lab." The Athletics are also facing a delay with testing while testers failed to show up for multiple teams (including the Angels) on Sunday. This should have been accounted for, even during a holiday weekend. MLB needs to figure this out immediately if there's going to be any level of confidence of conducting a season.

Source: Jesse Dougherty on Twitter                    Jul 6, 2020, 9:56 AM ET

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Jake Kaplan of The Athletic reports that the Astros have also canceled their scheduled workout on Monday due to COVID testing delays.

The Astros haven't gotten their results back from Friday's tests and understandably don't feel safe conducting a workout. The Nationals, who canceled their workout Monday, are dealing with a similar situation. The Fourth of July holiday wasn't exactly unforeseen, so it's hard to use it as an excuse for anything. Hiccups are bound to happen with such a complex situation, but if MLB can't get the testing protocol right, we could justifiably see more players begin to opt out of playing this year.

Source: Jake Kaplan on Twitter              Jul 6, 2020, 10:02 AM ET

So there will be less days to train for any number of teams and the number of players will rise as these results trickle in.

Looks like the Brewers finally got their results back because both Luis Urias and Angel Perdomo have tested positive for COVID-19.

 

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The best hope is that these are new protocols and issues will be had, and that hopefully they can iron all of this out before the season starts.

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Just now, Sidearmer said:

The best hope is that these are new protocols and issues will be had, and that hopefully they can iron all of this out before the season starts.

And the more likely scenario is the season will end while they are still messed up.  MLB KNEW these players had to be tested and tested frequently -- agreement calls for every second day -- and they KNEW when spring training 2.0 was starting.  And they KNEW having testing in place no matter when they started had to be arranged way back in April when they closed down.  MLB is like those software companies that release apps and even games they never have bothered to beta test. The whole thing is buggy.

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1 minute ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

And the more likely scenario is the season will end while they are still messed up.  MLB KNEW these players had to be tested and tested frequently -- agreement calls for every second day -- and they KNEW when spring training 2.0 was starting.  And they KNEW having testing in place no matter when they started had to be arranged way back in April when they closed down.  MLB is like those software companies that release apps and even games they never have bothered to beta test. The whole thing is buggy.

 

It sounds like the delays are due to the holiday, which I hope is the case. Then this wouldn't be an issue until Labor Day and hopefully by then they can have a new process.

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34 minutes ago, Sidearmer said:

It sounds like the delays are due to the holiday, which I hope is the case. Then this wouldn't be an issue until Labor Day and hopefully by then they can have a new process.

But they had these tests scheduled for these dates and the testing companies they hired were rank amateurs not to honor their contracts.  That's what "failed to show up" means to me.  They were scheduled to show up on Sunday the 5th and they didn't.  MLB is a pretty big and famous client that would give these private companies a lot of free name brand recognition so no way would a really professional testing company NOT have their testers show up on Sunday as they were officially scheduled to.  Meanwhile ...

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Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times confirms that the Angels administered their own COVID-19 tests on Sunday after testers failed to show up.

Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic previously reported that the players did their own saliva tests. DiGiovanna adds that the tests took place in Anaheim and the team's alternate training site in Long Beach. They have been mailed to Utah in order to be processed. It's unclear if the breakdown in proper protocol will make them invalid. Regardless, this is a failure which can't be blamed on the Angels. MLB has to get this right, and fast.

Source: Mike DiGiovanna on Twitter               Jul 6, 2020, 11:41 AM ET

I'm surprised Joe Madden didn't send in some penguins to sub in and do the testing though he probably would have if he was still back in Tampa Bay where he had access to same.  But even if these tests are ruled invalid, props to him for TRYING to get this show on the road at least.  At least someone is trying to get baseball going again.

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Is he or isn't he?????

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Aaron Nola (illness) has reported to Phillies' summer camp.

In fact, Matt Gelb of The Athletic reports that he's throwing a bullpen session. Nola was away from the team for the start of camp due to concerns over COVID-19. It's unclear whether he tested positive or came into contact who had it. Either way, he's been cleared to participate, which is a sigh of relief.

Source: Matt Breen on Twitter            Jul 6, 2020, 11:43 AM ET

Yeah thanks reporters for giving me high blood pressure earlier reporting that he was positive

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2 hours ago, Sidearmer said:

 

And here is a new twist with Gallo's positive:

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Joey Gallo confirmed Monday that he tested positive for COVID-19.

The good news is that Gallo is asymptomatic and feeling good. However, he needs to get two negative tests before joining the Rangers. His initial positive came on June 29 after a test two days earlier. A subsequent nasal test came back negative, but then a saliva test from July 2 came back positive yesterday. This is one of the frustrating parts of testing in general, but Gallo is forced to wait for the time being. If all goes well, there's still a chance he could be ready for the start of the season.

Source: Evan Grant on Twitter                       Jul 6, 2020, 1:55 PM ET

These various tests can give both false positives and even more false negatives.  This is going to be one mess of a season if the season moves forward.  Personally I think there is still a decent chance they will start the season but am dubious they will ever finish it.

PS:  Giants just announced 2 more positive players bringing their total to 4 but did not give out names.

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Don't yall think there will be a team with 2-3 SP in the main rotation that get Covid around the same time? What happens to that teams rotation for the next 14 days... Ouch.

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Tampa is missing Glasnow and Meadows

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I live waaayyy out in the boonies in a Marina on a houseboat, and do you know who was making deliveries on July 4th and 5th? UPS was....hmmmmmm, I'm getting the feel that the owners are going to get the 48 game season that they wanted after all. These delays on tests are going to play right into their hands, great hiring job there on the delivery teams Manfred, just as instructed...unforeseen my 4th point of contact....

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51 minutes ago, urban2014 said:

Tampa is missing Glasnow and Meadows

Missing and having covid are two different things. There are a LOT of players in that category right now due to endless delays in test results etc:

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Austin Meadows has not been spotted at summer camp workouts since Friday.

Meadows apparently passed the initial COVID-19 intake testing, as he was present for the Rays' first official workout at Tropicana Field. Perhaps his subsequent test results have been delayed. Randy Arozarena, Yonny Chirinos, Tyler Glasnow, and Jose Martinez were also missing this weekend and again on Monday.

Source: Rays.mlb.com      Jul 6, 2020, 8:00 PM ET

However one positive result has been officially reported:

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Kole Calhoun has tested positive for COVID-19, per Diamondbacks manager Torey Lovullo.

Lovullo added that Calhoun is currently asymptomatic and "feeling great," but the 32-year-old outfielder will be placed in quarantine and must return two negative COVID-19 tests before being allowed to join the summer camp workouts at Chase Field. It's possible this could jeopardize his availability for the beginning of the planned 60-game schedule. Calhoun signed a two-year, $16 million free agent deal with Arizona in late December after posting a career-high 33 home runs across 152 games last season with the Angels.

Source: Nick Piecoro on Twitter          Jul 6, 2020, 9:39 PM ET

 

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Not confirmed, but Moncada seems to have it. Not injured and White Sox are holding him out of camp with no further comment, and two White Sox players have tested positive in the last week.

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Even if players recover in terms of a non-professional athlete will they be able to perform on the field at the same level this year?

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7 hours ago, B&F said:

Even if players recover in terms of a non-professional athlete will they be able to perform on the field at the same level this year?

 

I would think most of these guys should be back to themselves within 7 to 10 days.  Maybe an outlier here or there.

These guys are young professional athletes in great shape with team medical staffs to help their recovery.

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14 hours ago, Corey In Da House said:

Don't yall think there will be a team with 2-3 SP in the main rotation that get Covid around the same time? What happens to that teams rotation for the next 14 days... Ouch.

Even worse if it happens in a playoff series.  It is a complete mess and between a grossly shortened season, schedules unbalanced so as to be almost laughable for some (see the AL Central) and the potential for mass player losses due to the virus, even if MLB manages to get through it, the result is going to be largely a product of complete luck as to who manages to avoid a lot infections to key personnel and gets something resembling a full strength squad on the field for the key periods.  In reality, if it were not for the TV money I think the owners would have just bagged the whole thing and that in the end may be what happens anyway if things can't be worked out.

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1 hour ago, urban2014 said:

Juan Soto has Corova

I've only seen that he's isolating because of contact with a teammate who tested positive. Have you found more information?

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52 minutes ago, Tale of Two Fisters said:

I've only seen that he's isolating because of contact with a teammate who tested positive. Have you found more information?

 

I found same thing.

Not with team
July 7, 2020
Soto is isolating away from the rest of his teammates after coming in contact with someone who tested positive for coronavirus, Jesse Dougherty of The Washington Post reports.
ANALYSIS
There hasn't been any indication that Soto has tested positive for the virus himself, but league protocols will keep him off the field for now. It remains to be seen when he'll be able to return and to what extent his absence will affect his preparation for the upcoming season.
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Eduardo Rodriguez and Bobby Dalbec.

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4 hours ago, urban2014 said:

Juan Soto has Corova

Ditto to what other guys said.  Please cite a legit source and quote if you have hard evidence but in the meantime:
 

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Juan Soto is isolating away from Nationals Park after interacting with a teammate who tested positive for COVID-19.

There's no indication that Soto has shown any symptoms, but teams are naturally proceeding with caution during this time. He'll presumably have to stay away for now and eventually provide a negative test before being cleared to return. He should still be able to do some workouts away from Nats Park.

Source: Jesse Dougherty on Twitter                 Jul 7, 2020, 10:29 AM ET

Isolating in quarantine is way WAY different than being infected with the virus!!!!!  Again, please don't make statements unless you add the sources.

Adding to the Red Sox stuff Sidearmer posted:

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Eduardo Rodriguez has tested positive for COVID-19.

Prospect Bobby Dalbec has also tested positive. It sounds like Rodriguez had some symptoms, but Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe reports that he's feeling better. He'll still have to provide two negative tests before being cleared to join workouts. At this point, his availability for the start of the 60-game season is in question. Rodriguez was on track to be the Opening Day starter for Boston, but now those duties could fall to Nathan Eovaldi.

Source: Sean McAdam on Twitter                   Jul 7, 2020, 1:23 PM ET

So not completely asymptomatic which is not good news.  As for Bobby Dalbec:

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Red Sox prospect INF Bobby Dalbec has tested positive for COVID-19.

Dalbec is said to be asymptomatic, but he'll still need to produce two negative tests before being cleared to return. The 24-year-old put up 27 homers with an .816 OPS over 135 games between Double- and Triple-A last season. He figures to make his major league at some point this season, especially with expanded rosters in effect.

Source: Chris Cotillo on Twitter                  Jul 7, 2020, 1:26 PM ET

At least that is better than E-Rod and he wouldn't be starting out the season on the active roster due to service time but he would be the first bat called up if needed if he was healthy.

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Add Jesus Luzardo.  Nothing mentioned about his symptoms.  Hopefully, he gets cleared shortly. Would hate to see his season derailed by this.

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11 minutes ago, BigPapi44 said:

Add Jesus Luzardo.  Nothing mentioned about his symptoms.  Hopefully, he gets cleared shortly. Would hate to see his season derailed by this.

Here is a cited source for same:

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According to the San Francisco Chronicle's Susan Slusser, Jesus Luzardo has tested positive for COVID-19.

Luzardo had been absent for camp, leading to speculation that this might be the case. No word yet on whether he's symptomatic. Luzardo is slated to be a member of Oakland's rotation this season.

Source: Susan Slusser on Twitter                  Jul 7, 2020, 3:56 PM ET

Also two KC players:

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Ryan O'Hearn has tested positive for COVID-19, according to the Royals.

O'Hearn said he's asymptomatic. He was off to a great start this spring as he attempted to hold on to the starting job at first base for the Royals.

Source: Rotoworld   Jul 7, 2020, 4:19 PM ET

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Brad Keller has tested positive for COVID-19, the Royals announced.

Keller said he's experiencing only mild symptoms that "remind him more of an allergy attack." Once healthy, he is expected to help lead the Royals rotation this year after finishing up with a solid 4.19 ERA as a sophomore in 2019.

Source: Rotoworld       Jul 7, 2020, 4:15 PM ET

And a good news update on Scott Kingery:

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Scott Kingery said he contracted COVID-19 about a month ago and it hit him pretty hard, but that he's completely recovered now.

Kingery felt his first symptoms on June 11, he told NBC Sports Philadelphia, and he dealt with fever, fatigue and shortness of breath, as well as the odd loss of taste and smell. “I know five or six people who had it and every single person was affected differently," Kingery said. "Some had a sore throat, really bad. I never had a sore throat. Some were asymptomatic the whole way. I was not.” Kingery has recorded one of the two negative test results he needs before he can rejoin the Phillies. He's hoping to be back with the team soon.

Source: NBC Sports Philadelphia                   Jul 7, 2020, 4:07 PM ET

So he had it for going on a month.  Maybe more because he said he first noticed "symptoms" on June 11th which doesn't mean it wasn't in his body earlier.  Hopefully he will pass his second test soon and get cleared.

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The joys of testing and all it's false readings:

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Joey Gallo said Tuesday that he tested negative for COVID-19 at a private lab in Dallas.

Gallo had a positive saliva test given by MLB, but he's twice tested negative via nasal swabs. If he tests negative again after 24 hours, he could be cleared to rejoin the Rangers.

Source: Evan Grant on Twitter               Jul 7, 2020, 5:00 PM ET

 

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