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10 minutes ago, Gandalfthecat said:

I believe they scored it a base hit believe it or not. Brutal. 

Yeah, I don't get that rule. At least sulser saved neris from taking the L, Segura couldn't redeem himself and get him the W

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1 minute ago, pbjfb said:

Yeah, I don't get that rule. At least sulser saved neris from taking the L, Segura couldn't redeem himself and get him the W


now Sulser in line for the win..lol

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Thanks, Jairo. Thanks a lot. Ugh! I might drop him after that. His stuff really isn't that good.

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Daniel Bard bails out Jairo for the save.

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Bard bails out the Rockies after Jairo couldn't clean up a mess in the ninth -- came in with two on with an 8-3 lead and let both inherited runners score and two more while getting only one out. Normally I'd say just a blip but it's not like Jairo has built up a lot of confidence or is a proven closer so as an owner I'm a little worried and just took a flyer on Bard. Probably a lot to ask of him to go from basically out of baseball to closing at Coors, but he has always had the stuff. We'll see.

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9 minutes ago, JameisofThrones said:

Bard bails out the Rockies after Jairo couldn't clean up a mess in the ninth -- came in with two on with an 8-3 lead and let both inherited runners score and two more while getting only one out. Normally I'd say just a blip but it's not like Jairo has built up a lot of confidence or is a proven closer so as an owner I'm a little worried and just took a flyer on Bard. Probably a lot to ask of him to go from basically out of baseball to closing at Coors, but he has always had the stuff. We'll see.

 

This definitely seems like a possibility. I don't know much about Jairo before this year but it seems like he has middle reliever type stuff. Decent arsenal but not overpowering and no real put-aways. Most outings I've seen he's giving up hits and hard contact outs. Do you think he'll hold the role (Jairo) or he's worth moving on from? To his credit he was 3/3 on saves before.

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Pressly in looking very mediocre again. 1-run lead holding on by a fingernail. It's been fly-out, walk, single so far. Ugh!

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Nice clean save Montero! @meh2¬†first to say¬†‚Äúmust add‚ÄĚ!

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Just now, Members_Only_76 said:

Nice clean save Montero! @meh2¬†first to say¬†‚Äúmust add‚ÄĚ!

He's been a must add for a week. Same w/ Trevor Rosenthal.

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Groundball single into left against Pressly. Save blown!

Montero is definitely a stud. No nonsense for him so far.

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1 minute ago, aapox said:

Pressly in looking very mediocre again. 1-run lead holding on by a fingernail. It's been fly-out, walk, single so far. Ugh!

 

That fingernail just fell off...

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On 8/5/2020 at 1:59 PM, Whizzinator said:

Rafeal Montero also due back this weekend.  That TX pen is wide open.


Wondering if Montero is the better bet of those three (as opposed to Gallegos or Helsley)


 

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Pressly crapping the bed.  

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Pressly at least looked good against the last 2 hitters and got 2 strikeouts. Good god man, throw your fastball more.

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9 minutes ago, aapox said:

 

This definitely seems like a possibility. I don't know much about Jairo before this year but it seems like he has middle reliever type stuff. Decent arsenal but not overpowering and no real put-aways. Most outings I've seen he's giving up hits and hard contact outs. Do you think he'll hold the role (Jairo) or he's worth moving on from? To his credit he was 3/3 on saves before.

 

I wouldn't dump Jairo just yet. I'd still guess he get the next opportunity but figure its worth stashing Bard just in case until we get some more clarity on the situation. 

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Just now, JameisofThrones said:

 

I wouldn't dump Jairo just yet. I'd still guess he get the next opportunity but figure its worth stashing Bard just in case until we get some more clarity on the situation. 


Yeah. It'd be a rage drop. I've calmed down since :P Thanks.

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Rank Pitcher Change
1 Josh HaderT1 -
2 Liam Hendriks +1
3 Taylor Rogers -1
4 Kirby Yates -
5 Kenley Jansen +1
6 Hector Neris
 
T2
+1
7 Raisel Iglesias +4
8 Brandon Workman -
9 Archie Bradley +1
10 Alex Colome +3
11 Daniel Hudson -2
12 Mark Melancon -
13 Joe Jimenez +1
14 Ryan Pressly
 
T3
-9
15 Nick Anderson +UR
16 Seth Lugo +UR
17 Brad Hand -1
18 Giovanny Gallegos +UR
19 Trevor Rosenthal
 
T4
+2
20 Rafael Montero +UR
21 Rowan Wick -3
22 Anthony Bass -2
23 Jairo Diaz -1
24 Trevor Gott -1
25 Zack Britton -1
26 Brandon Kintzler +2
27 Ty Buttrey
 
T5
+UR
28 Cole Sulser +1
29 Richard Rodriguez +UR
30 Taylor Williams -

Updated Closer rankings from PitcherList. Any thoughts?

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12 minutes ago, ryno1980 said:
Rank Pitcher Change
1 Josh HaderT1 -
2 Liam Hendriks +1
3 Taylor Rogers -1
4 Kirby Yates -
5 Kenley Jansen +1
6 Hector Neris
 
T2
+1
7 Raisel Iglesias +4
8 Brandon Workman -
9 Archie Bradley +1
10 Alex Colome +3
11 Daniel Hudson -2
12 Mark Melancon -
13 Joe Jimenez +1
14 Ryan Pressly
 
T3
-9
15 Nick Anderson +UR
16 Seth Lugo +UR
17 Brad Hand -1
18 Giovanny Gallegos +UR
19 Trevor Rosenthal
 
T4
+2
20 Rafael Montero +UR
21 Rowan Wick -3
22 Anthony Bass -2
23 Jairo Diaz -1
24 Trevor Gott -1
25 Zack Britton -1
26 Brandon Kintzler +2
27 Ty Buttrey
 
T5
+UR
28 Cole Sulser +1
29 Richard Rodriguez +UR
30 Taylor Williams -

Updated Closer rankings from PitcherList. Any thoughts?

 

My immediate reaction is its absolute Closer Chaos when you have a guy ranked #18 who has only thrown 2/3 of an inning this year and is supposedly in a committee.

 

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Following closers is like playing Russian roulette.  Not easy getting lucky and finding a gem on the waiver wire this year.

 

Looking at that list,  Rafael Montero should have leapfrogged a few of those names.  His stuff has looked really good.

 

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48 minutes ago, ryno1980 said:
Rank Pitcher Change
1 Josh HaderT1 -
2 Liam Hendriks +1
3 Taylor Rogers -1
4 Kirby Yates -
5 Kenley Jansen +1
6 Hector Neris
 
T2
+1
7 Raisel Iglesias +4
8 Brandon Workman -
9 Archie Bradley +1
10 Alex Colome +3
11 Daniel Hudson -2
12 Mark Melancon -
13 Joe Jimenez +1
14 Ryan Pressly
 
T3
-9
15 Nick Anderson +UR
16 Seth Lugo +UR
17 Brad Hand -1
18 Giovanny Gallegos +UR
19 Trevor Rosenthal
 
T4
+2
20 Rafael Montero +UR
21 Rowan Wick -3
22 Anthony Bass -2
23 Jairo Diaz -1
24 Trevor Gott -1
25 Zack Britton -1
26 Brandon Kintzler +2
27 Ty Buttrey
 
T5
+UR
28 Cole Sulser +1
29 Richard Rodriguez +UR
30 Taylor Williams -

Updated Closer rankings from PitcherList. Any thoughts?

Recency bias doesn’t really apply to closer rankings. These guys (And most commercial rankings) are always behind the 8 ball. Always.

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Closer rankings don't really matter past opening day.

Closers are basically binary, either they're getting save opps or they're not.

Ranking which relievers are most likely to switch into getting opps is much more important, hence the popularity of this thread.

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9 minutes ago, Magoo said:

Recency bias doesn’t really apply to closer rankings. These guys (And most commercial rankings) are always behind the 8 ball. Always.

I cant recall one time, any of those bullpen ranking, or pitching websites have ever helped me.  They are useless,if not harmful.  This forum however usually gets me about 2 stud closers every year. 

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11 minutes ago, Ultraa said:

Closer rankings don't really matter past opening day.

Closers are basically binary, either they're getting save opps or they're not.

Ranking which relievers are most likely to switch into getting opps is much more important, hence the popularity of this thread.

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