The G Man 981 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I looked but didn't see a thread already started. Not surprising since many would think him to be nothing but a handcuff. But, as this article suggests he could have some stand alone value this season.... Texans running backs coach Danny Barrett said having David Johnson and Duke Johnson on the field at the same time could make it harder for defenses to disguise their schemes. Barrett and Texans HC Bill O'Brien talked up an increase in the team's usage of 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) this season. The personnel grouping would give QB Deshaun Watson a "clearer picture" of the defense and create mismatches against linebackers covering David and Duke Johnson one on one. “We’re going to try to really expose their defense,” David Johnson said. “Whatever they give us, we’re going to definitely be able to use that as an advantage.” While this is the time of year when every coach is going to have every running back on the field at the same time, Duke Johnson would have solid standalone value if Houston follows through and uses 21 personnel often in 2020. RELATED: David Johnson SOURCE: The Athletic Aug 19, 2020, 10:06 AM ET 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST. STEVEN 4,148 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 He is such a solid all-around RB. Really a shame that he has almost never gotten a lead role to show what he can do (outside of college). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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PlayTheWaivers 1,886 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said: Excuses that there is incredible buyer's remorse and he realized Duke Johnson is the superior player as of today? lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
isuckatdfs 94 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 duke johnson got 800 total yards last year on very minimal work. One david johnson injury away from giddy up time. i got 2 shares on myffpc leagues and i hate i did not get him in the 3rd myffpc league but i pivoted to mattison 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joshua18 7,028 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 7 hours ago, The G Man said: I looked but didn't see a thread already started. Not surprising since many would think him to be nothing but a handcuff. But, as this article suggests he could have some stand alone value this season.... Texans running backs coach Danny Barrett said having David Johnson and Duke Johnson on the field at the same time could make it harder for defenses to disguise their schemes. Barrett and Texans HC Bill O'Brien talked up an increase in the team's usage of 21 personnel (two running backs, one tight end) this season. The personnel grouping would give QB Deshaun Watson a "clearer picture" of the defense and create mismatches against linebackers covering David and Duke Johnson one on one. “We’re going to try to really expose their defense,” David Johnson said. “Whatever they give us, we’re going to definitely be able to use that as an advantage.” While this is the time of year when every coach is going to have every running back on the field at the same time, Duke Johnson would have solid standalone value if Houston follows through and uses 21 personnel often in 2020. RELATED: David Johnson SOURCE: The Athletic Aug 19, 2020, 10:06 AM ET That means they wasted the money they paid Cobb to be their slot WR. This is classic coachspeak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgar15 521 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Virtually no chatter here about Duke and he's being drafted well into the 10th round or so. Behind an aging and often injured David Johnson, I think he has very underrated value in .5PPR and PPR leagues, especially with D Hop out of town. There are plenty of targets freed up and to go around with a Watson in his prime. He always seems to produce when given the chance. Do you think he can end the season as a viable RB3? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlayTheWaivers 1,886 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, bgar15 said: Virtually no chatter here about Duke and he's being drafted well into the 10th round or so. Behind an aging and often injured David Johnson, I think he has very underrated value in .5PPR and PPR leagues, especially with D Hop out of town. There are plenty of targets freed up and to go around with a Watson in his prime. He always seems to produce when given the chance. Do you think he can end the season as a viable RB3? Absolutely. He's a must draft for PPR IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST. STEVEN 4,148 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 He is a great value imo, but I admit I have zero faith that David Johnson remains an effective RB. I noticed this in an Athletic article today: "Duke Johnson in the 14th round is crazy cheap. No one who watches football needs ProFootballFocus to tell us he’s the best Texans running back but there’s objective validation if you want it. I understand the narrative that Bill O’Brien wants David Johnson to work. But Johnson looked washed-up last year. Even if Duke Johnson has only the role he did last year — extremely unlikely — he’s so efficient/good that even with his low 2019 touches he was PPR RB25 last year." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FFCollusion 5,411 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The Duke Johnson thread is the exact same, every single year, no matter what. "Not just a handcuff!" "He's not just a CoP!" "He's the best back on the team." "That guy they signed is old/washed up/injured/JAG!" And then, Every Single Time... He's a CoP back, who gets outplayed, out touched, and out produced by every back you guys pretend couldn't hold Duke's jockstap. Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell, Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde in CLE, then Carlos Hyde again in HOU, and now it's 2020 with David Johnson. Even if DJ gets hurt... more than likely, they're going to sign someone off the street to come in and take the lead back role, rather than give it to Duke Johnson, because despite what this forum thinks, the coaches who watch this man practice and play know that he is nothing more than a change of pace back. He is not a bellcow. 5 years in a row he's proved this to you, 5 years in a row his coaches have made it clear, and for 5 years you keep chasing this unicorn role he won't have. In fact, you guys have spent more years telling people he's not just a CoP back, than he has games with double digit carries in his entire career. Four (4) 5 years in the league, never missed a game, 82 games played... and a grand total of 4 times, has he ever had double digit carries. 10, 10, 12, and 13. He has NEVER touched the ball more than 17 times in a game. Now... that's not to say that being a passing back specialist doesn't have value and it definitely doesn't mean his current ADP (12 team PPR) of 12th round doesn't provide an opportunity. Unfortunately, it seems everyone is chasing 2017 in which Duke had a statistical outlier in both targets and touchdowns, both of which inflated his overall finishing position that year (11th) where he more than doubled his career average TD rate (255%), had 36% more targets than his career average rate, resulting in 44% higher receptions than his career average, 47% higher reception yards than his career average rate, and 48% more fantasy points than his career average rate. *Average Calculated by his other 4 years compared to 2017. There is no logical reason to expect HOU to do more with Duke this year, than they did last year, in which he ranked 41st in points per game among RBs. Sometimes, when you're desperate, 4-14 points per game from a RB in full point PPR leagues is all you need. With Duke, you're praying for a TD, which statistically you only have an 19% chance of getting. Maybe with Hopkins gone, this offense transforms, but I wouldn't hold my breath. He's a poor man's Tarik Cohen, who was already a poor man's James White. 4 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,357 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 4 hours ago, FFCollusion said: The Duke Johnson thread is the exact same, every single year, no matter what. "Not just a handcuff!" "He's not just a CoP!" "He's the best back on the team." "That guy they signed is old/washed up/injured/JAG!" And then, Every Single Time... He's a CoP back, who gets outplayed, out touched, and out produced by every back you guys pretend couldn't hold Duke's jockstap. Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell, Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde in CLE, then Carlos Hyde again in HOU, and now it's 2020 with David Johnson. Even if DJ gets hurt... more than likely, they're going to sign someone off the street to come in and take the lead back role, rather than give it to Duke Johnson, because despite what this forum thinks, the coaches who watch this man practice and play know that he is nothing more than a change of pace back. He is not a bellcow. 5 years in a row he's proved this to you, 5 years in a row his coaches have made it clear, and for 5 years you keep chasing this unicorn role he won't have. In fact, you guys have spent more years telling people he's not just a CoP back, than he has games with double digit carries in his entire career. Four (4) 5 years in the league, never missed a game, 82 games played... and a grand total of 4 times, has he ever had double digit carries. 10, 10, 12, and 13. He has NEVER touched the ball more than 17 times in a game. Now... that's not to say that being a passing back specialist doesn't have value and it definitely doesn't mean his current ADP (12 team PPR) of 12th round doesn't provide an opportunity. Unfortunately, it seems everyone is chasing 2017 in which Duke had a statistical outlier in both targets and touchdowns, both of which inflated his overall finishing position that year (11th) where he more than doubled his career average TD rate (255%), had 36% more targets than his career average rate, resulting in 44% higher receptions than his career average, 47% higher reception yards than his career average rate, and 48% more fantasy points than his career average rate. *Average Calculated by his other 4 years compared to 2017. There is no logical reason to expect HOU to do more with Duke this year, than they did last year, in which he ranked 41st in points per game among RBs. Sometimes, when you're desperate, 4-14 points per game from a RB in full point PPR leagues is all you need. With Duke, you're praying for a TD, which statistically you only have an 19% chance of getting. Maybe with Hopkins gone, this offense transforms, but I wouldn't hold my breath. He's a poor man's Tarik Cohen, who was already a poor man's James White. Tell me how you really feel No but seriously excellent post. Be smart gentlemen don’t grab this Johnson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joshua18 7,028 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, FFCollusion said: The Duke Johnson thread is the exact same, every single year, no matter what. "Not just a handcuff!" "He's not just a CoP!" "He's the best back on the team." "That guy they signed is old/washed up/injured/JAG!" And then, Every Single Time... He's a CoP back, who gets outplayed, out touched, and out produced by every back you guys pretend couldn't hold Duke's jockstap. Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell, Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde in CLE, then Carlos Hyde again in HOU, and now it's 2020 with David Johnson. Even if DJ gets hurt... more than likely, they're going to sign someone off the street to come in and take the lead back role, rather than give it to Duke Johnson, because despite what this forum thinks, the coaches who watch this man practice and play know that he is nothing more than a change of pace back. He is not a bellcow. 5 years in a row he's proved this to you, 5 years in a row his coaches have made it clear, and for 5 years you keep chasing this unicorn role he won't have. The same coaches who: 1. led a talented roster to an 0-16 finish (while doubting that Wentz could be franchise a QB https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-eagles/hue-jackson-carson-wentz-wasnt-right-fit-browns%3famp) -and in a March 2018 interview with Schefter said that LJax wasn’t a franchise QB. 2. Started Tom Savage over Watson despite having months to see them in practice every single day. I don’t put too much stock in the caliber of NFL coaching Duke Johnson has received. The one year he got volume was the one year he was an RB1 in PPR. He is the all-time rushing leader at Miami not because he’s only a COP RB. Shame that by the time he actually gets competent coaching he’ll be near the end of his career. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FFCollusion 5,411 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 hours ago, joshua18 said: The one year he got volume was the one year he was an RB1 in PPR. Your argument would have been a lot more impactful if the "volume" he received that year wasn't just more "change of pace" work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spyplane 1,581 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I need to decide whether I'm keeping him or Justin Jackson. I feel like we'll have an answer on JJ sooner than Duke. Tough decision on who to keep though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
owenmills 5,326 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 I was admittedly a big Duke fan when he came out of college. I drafted him for cheap in a keeper league that year(long since thrown him back). He put up numbers at Miami and I thought he could be an NFL bellcow, but I agree with people who are saying if it was going to happen it would've. For some reason, coaches who have a very real interest in putting the best guys on the field haven't trusted him to run between the tackles. I'm not one of those guys who sits behind my computer and calls any coach an idiot who doesn't do what I think they should do, so I'm guessing there's something to it. HOWEVER, maybe this is the year he gets the keys just out of necessity. I'm not sure how much DJ has left in the tank, and if he goes down who else will get the carries? There's a guy named Howell listed at 3rd on the depth chart who's been in the league a couple years and has 5 career carries. Someone else will be involved in some capacity but I would think Duke will finally get a healthy amount of carries/touches to work with if something happens to DJ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 981 Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 He may have some stand alone value as a COP back on a team that can put up points, but I see him as a must have cuff for all of the DJ owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgar15 521 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Sneaky start tomorrow night in PPR leagues with Brandin Cooks potentially sitting out? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guwop 802 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 another year of failed expectations for this never-was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 981 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, bgar15 said: Sneaky start tomorrow night in PPR leagues with Brandin Cooks potentially sitting out? Yup. 46 minutes ago, Guwop said: another year of failed expectations for this never-was SMH... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guwop 802 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) On 8/29/2020 at 10:47 PM, FFCollusion said: The Duke Johnson thread is the exact same, every single year, no matter what. "Not just a handcuff!" "He's not just a CoP!" "He's the best back on the team." "That guy they signed is old/washed up/injured/JAG!" And then, Every Single Time... He's a CoP back, who gets outplayed, out touched, and out produced by every back you guys pretend couldn't hold Duke's jockstap. Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell, Nick Chubb, Carlos Hyde in CLE, then Carlos Hyde again in HOU, and now it's 2020 with David Johnson. Even if DJ gets hurt... more than likely, they're going to sign someone off the street to come in and take the lead back role, rather than give it to Duke Johnson, because despite what this forum thinks, the coaches who watch this man practice and play know that he is nothing more than a change of pace back. He is not a bellcow. 5 years in a row he's proved this to you, 5 years in a row his coaches have made it clear, and for 5 years you keep chasing this unicorn role he won't have. In fact, you guys have spent more years telling people he's not just a CoP back, than he has games with double digit carries in his entire career. Four (4) 5 years in the league, never missed a game, 82 games played... and a grand total of 4 times, has he ever had double digit carries. 10, 10, 12, and 13. He has NEVER touched the ball more than 17 times in a game. Now... that's not to say that being a passing back specialist doesn't have value and it definitely doesn't mean his current ADP (12 team PPR) of 12th round doesn't provide an opportunity. Unfortunately, it seems everyone is chasing 2017 in which Duke had a statistical outlier in both targets and touchdowns, both of which inflated his overall finishing position that year (11th) where he more than doubled his career average TD rate (255%), had 36% more targets than his career average rate, resulting in 44% higher receptions than his career average, 47% higher reception yards than his career average rate, and 48% more fantasy points than his career average rate. *Average Calculated by his other 4 years compared to 2017. There is no logical reason to expect HOU to do more with Duke this year, than they did last year, in which he ranked 41st in points per game among RBs. Sometimes, when you're desperate, 4-14 points per game from a RB in full point PPR leagues is all you need. With Duke, you're praying for a TD, which statistically you only have an 19% chance of getting. Maybe with Hopkins gone, this offense transforms, but I wouldn't hold my breath. He's a poor man's Tarik Cohen, who was already a poor man's James White. they are already finding ways to convince themselves that this will be the year he breaks out have having ANOTHER rb get brought in to start. Don't see anything that goes against what we've seen year in and year out Edited September 10, 2020 by Guwop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdog109 4,721 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, bgar15 said: Sneaky start tomorrow night in PPR leagues with Brandin Cooks potentially sitting out? Most likely negative game script vs KC right? Thinking about putting him in over similiar queasy question marks like akers and cohen. Gross. I feel good about Duke though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sivaro 943 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) delete Edited September 10, 2020 by Sivaro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgar15 521 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Anyone rolling him out tonight? Expectations? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PVNOLE 30 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 He's sitting on the wire in my PPR league. Can't decide what to do with him. Solid flex, but not much upside for an end of bench stash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The G Man 981 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 The question is how will he be used? Is he nothing more than a COP/breather back? And, is it a presumptive 70/30 or 75/25 split in favor of David? Or, might he have some stand alone value if they put him out there for his own series or two, as well as perhaps some sets with both DJ's on the field at the same time? Anyone have any insight from TC reports or local feed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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