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You have to love what you've gotten so far with james robinson but I would test the market and see what you can get for him for a few reasons.

1. Week 7 is arguably going to be his highest scoring output of the season, so you would be selling at his highest mark.

2. Chris Thompson was added to Covid-IR list late in the week and Ozigbo was activated from IR. Ozigbo also ended up getting hurt early in the game. This resulted in james robinson receiving the entire workload. He still will obviously be the main guy, but he wont get all the work like we saw last week.

3. Marrone has hinted towards making a change, most likely being benching Minshew. Minshew is the best QB for this offense, Glennon/Luton would be a downgrade to the offense which results in less scoring opportunities for robinson.

I still believe robinson will be a top-10 back ROS, but it doesn't hurt to see what the market is for him. [...]

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10 minutes ago, Flyman75 said:


We don’t know what a new QB will do. And check downs are not part of the gameplan, hence the term “check down”...it’s something a QB does when his other options are covered or pressure won’t allow him to go downfield. And checking down can be the best friend of a new, young QB like Luton, if they try him. 

If you want to believe a different QB would mean less involvement for Robinson, that’s fine. I don’t agree and certainly wouldn’t speak in definitives either way. 

 

 

Check downs are absolutely be part of the game plan.

And not just a "different" QB.....an inferior one.  It's logical to think that the players who benefited most from Minshew will be negatively affected if he's replaced by an inferior QB.  

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Just now, wekko368 said:

 

 

Check downs are absolutely be part of the game plan.

And not just a "different" QB.....an inferior one.  It's logical to think that the players who benefited most from Minshew will be negatively affected if he's replaced by an inferior QB.  


Alright man. We’re just arguing in circles and starting to hijack the thread. I disagree on what a check down is and how it’s defined, and I disagree about a new QB definitively meaning Robinson will lose in the passing game. I’m perfectly fine with someone not agreeing with me, so I’ll just leave it at that and wish you a nice evening. 

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Shefter reporting multiple fractures and a strained ligament in Minshew’s right thumb. Looks like a new QB for sure. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Fantasy Gooroo said:

Good. This will help Robinson. 


Meh, as discussed over and over in this thread, we don’t know about that.

 

Personally, I was just fine with the status quo... Robinson has been a top 5 RB with Minshew.

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9 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said:


Meh, as discussed over and over in this thread, we don’t know about that.

 

Personally, I was just fine with the status quo... Robinson has been a top 5 RB with Minshew.

Minshew was struggling mightily the past couple games. Maybe a switch will help the whole offense. Not banking on it but let's wait and see. 

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I really don't think this helps Robinson. Look at some of the other trash teams around the league with no offense, namely Jets and Cowboys right now. Running back can't get going if you're going 3 and out all the time and are nowhere near an endzone. Minshew also looked for Robinson in the passing game quite frequently, there's no guarantee the back up does that.

This could very well end up helping Robinson if the offense improves overall, but I'm always skeptical of a new QB.

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1 minute ago, harck said:

I really don't think this helps Robinson. Look at some of the other trash teams around the league with no offense, namely Jets and Cowboys right now. Running back can't get going if you're going 3 and out all the time and are nowhere near an endzone. Minshew also looked for Robinson in the passing game quite frequently, there's no guarantee the back up does that.

This could very well end up helping Robinson if the offense improves overall, but I'm always skeptical of a new QB.

Not at all. Glennon is worse than Dalton and Darnold.

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35 minutes ago, Fantasy Gooroo said:

Good. This will help Robinson. 

A QB that is worse than Minshew will help Robinson?

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This definitely hurts Robinson. Look at what happened after Dak got hurt - Zeke tanked. Minshew sucks, but Glennon is even worse.

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47 minutes ago, ohio#1eaglesfan said:

Minshew was struggling mightily the past couple games. Maybe a switch will help the whole offense. Not banking on it but let's wait and see. 


He was “struggling mightily” and Robinson put up 30+ points last week.

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Can anyone name examples where the team downgraded significantly at QB and the RB was actually more productive after?  I'm having trouble coming up with one.  Just the fact that they'll have shorter drives bc the QB can't complete a pass on 3rd down must be a big detriment.

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1 minute ago, kp96 said:

Can anyone name examples where the team downgraded significantly at QB and the RB was actually more productive after?  I'm having trouble coming up with one.  Just the fact that they'll have shorter drives bc the QB can't complete a pass on 3rd down must be a big detriment.

I don't know if Cam Newton -> Kyle Allen last year helping CMC would count, but that's my only guess.

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41 minutes ago, RLDN106 said:

This definitely hurts Robinson. Look at what happened after Dak got hurt - Zeke tanked. Minshew sucks, but Glennon is even worse.

second this. If the passing game is weaker, all opponents have to do is stop the run.

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41 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said:


He was “struggling mightily” and Robinson put up 30+ points last week.

Yeah it was impressive. He touched the ball on almost every play the one drive he scored. I was just saying it would make life easier for Robinson if they could get him into scoring range more often. 

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43 minutes ago, RLDN106 said:

I don't know if Cam Newton -> Kyle Allen last year helping CMC would count, but that's my only guess.

honestly though CMC value was roughly the same with Cam and Kyle - I wouldn't say it got better or worse really.  It was about the same.

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3 minutes ago, ohio#1eaglesfan said:

Yeah it was impressive. He touched the ball on almost every play the one drive he scored. I was just saying it would make life easier for Robinson if they could get him into scoring range more often. 


They get into scoring range enough. Sure, they’re in the bottom half in yards & points per game, but they’ve scored at least 2 TDs every game.

 

They aren’t a good team and don’t control games bc their defense sucks and they make a lot of mistakes. I’m not sure a QB change is gonna help that.

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8 minutes ago, SkinsChargersFan said:


They get into scoring range enough. Sure, they’re in the bottom half in yards & points per game, but they’ve scored at least 2 TDs every game.

 

They aren’t a good team and don’t control games bc their defense sucks and they make a lot of mistakes. I’m not sure a QB change is gonna help that.

It might help for a few weeks who knows. Minshew's thumb injury has been killing Chark's value the past couple games. 

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21 hours ago, Benjamin1984 said:

He sure isn't an RB1 on any of my teams. He may be my best producer at RB but I didn't have to pay a dime for that production. It would serve a lot of rosters better to simply hope that he keeps this up. There are many teams that are top contenders without him. With him, they won't be beaten if he keeps it up.

Cashing out on him makes sense in some cases. He's returning the higher end players in trade anyway at this point. There are more people buying in then skeptical of him. If you want a lot for him you can get it.

Qb injury and very tough playoff schedule have me ready to sell. I believe I'll make playoffs so I'm aiming for light scheduled, top ranked rb. Hard to find a deal in this CO text, however without feeling like I'm giving too much. Dudes been a stud. 

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3 minutes ago, Mrmann1 said:

Qb injury and very tough playoff schedule have me ready to sell. I believe I'll make playoffs so I'm aiming for light scheduled, top ranked rb. Hard to find a deal in this CO text, however without feeling like I'm giving too much. Dudes been a stud. 

I have no idea who to sell him for.  Hard to get fair value for waiver wire pick-ups.  Even awesome ones.

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6 minutes ago, ccimore said:

I have no idea who to sell him for.  Hard to get fair value for waiver wire pick-ups.  Even awesome ones.


I can’t bring myself to sell him in a keeper league. He’s just a flex play for me, and I’m content with that. Like you said, it’s going to be difficult to get fair value for him, especially if the guys in your league know Minshew is hurt and likely to sit. So I’d rather just hang tight with him and see where this goes. 

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5 minutes ago, ccimore said:

I have no idea who to sell him for.  Hard to get fair value for waiver wire pick-ups.  Even awesome ones.


I think you can definitely get some inflated value for him just being a WW guy because of the boneyard that the RB pool is. His numbers don’t lie. He’s not an RB10-15 right now, he is RB2/3. You can do some politicking. As I’m considering selling him, I’m looking at Kelce/Kittle for TE as a primary need
 

 

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The fact that James Robinson has 96 pages by week 8 is impressive. So many people are talking about him - he's going to be flying off draft boards in the first/second rounds next year.

 

Minshew being out definitely hurts Robinson. Even with the news, I probably wouldn't trade him unless I could package him with a WR and get a RB like Jacobs/Henry/Gurley/Sanders/Elliot/Cook/Hunt

 

 

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