NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 For all my other fellow eliminated managers, I thought it’d be fun and helpful to take a look at next years projected first round. (5x5) Here is my take: Ronald Acuna Mike Trout Mookie Betts Trea Turner Fernando Tatis Jr. Jacob deGrom Juan Soto Shane Bieber Trevor Story Christian Yelich Cody Bellinger Freddie Freeman Bo Bichette Gerrit Cole Jose Ramirez Honorable Mentions: Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Alex Bregman, Rafael Devers, Francisco Lindor What does your projected first round look like? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meh2 3,132 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I like the aggressive ranking of Bichette. I figured I’d be the high person on him next year, but you’ve got me beat. Here’s my top 12: 1. Acuna 2. Betts 3. Soto 4. Tatis 5. Turner 6. Story 7. Trout 8. Ramirez 9. Bieber 10. deGrom 11. Cole 12. Yelich The top 7 for next year look loaded. You could make a compelling case for any of them to go #1 overall. It’s hard to put Trout so low, but he gets dinged by the lack of steals. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, meh2 said: The top 7 for next year look loaded. You could make a compelling case for any of them to go #1 overall. It’s hard to put Trout so low, but he gets dinged by the lack of steals. 100% agree. I think deGrom may get taken #1 overall in some drafts too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B&F 877 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Yellich and Bellinger 2nd round. Machado and Harper slide in at bottom. Otherwise that is what I have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) Bichette seems like a reach for what essentially was a hot start to the season and then a prolonged injury Edited September 27, 2020 by UberRebel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotofan24 83 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Acuna has really shown me a lot in the last month. I think I've turned on him and am ready to put him in my top 3 for next season as of today. The four for me are probably Tatis, Betts, Acuna (in some order), and then Soto. Soto is a great hitter, but the first three are surrounded by really strong lineups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sleepysock 810 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I would take Soto #1 in my OBP league. Or actually any league. Pro rated his numbers would be insane. 300 runs + RBI. 50+ homers. 20+ steals. Monster BA. Other than that it's hard to bicker about placement in the top 10 since so many guys are so close to one another. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fbaseballgod 219 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Bichette isn’t a first rounder lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, UberRebel said: Bichette seems like a reach for what essentially was a hot start to the season and then a prolonged injury Based on his career stats to date, he's on a full season pace to put up 35 HRs with 18 Steals and a .310 batting average with elite run and rbi production on that deep jays line-up. That is easily a first rounder. Not to mention the fact that he's 22 and only going to get better. He went 10th overall in a recent 2021 mock draft done by the fellas at nasty cast (and reputable fantasy analysts like Eric cross and Chris Clegg). https://www.spreaker.com/user/12828472/ep-240-2021-mock-draft I think if he had a full-season without the injury, we'd be talking about him in the same conversation with Tatis Edited September 27, 2020 by NoHablaIngles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fbaseballgod 219 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I probably go: 1. Acuña 2. Trout 3. Soto 4/5/6: Some combo of Tatis/Ramirez/Betts 7. Story 8. Turner 9/10/11/12/13: Some combo of Bellinger, Yelich, DeGrom, Cole, Bieber 1-8 are the premier hitters with steals minus Soto and Trout who are generational hitters. (And Soto might even get 20 steals, he said he was aiming for that). I wouldn’t blame anyone for taking Soto #2 over Trout but I just have a little more confidence in Trout’s power. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mehtavg2000 247 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I’m taking Soto over Trout in a second. Not sure about Acuna though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, NoHablaIngles said: Based on his career stats to date, he's on a full season pace to put up 35 HRs with 18 Steals and a .310 batting average with elite run and rbi production on that deep jays line-up. That is easily a first rounder. Not to mention the fact that he's 22 and only going to get better. He went 10th overall in a recent 2021 mock draft done by the fellas at nasty cast (and reputable fantasy analysts like Eric cross and Chris Clegg). https://www.spreaker.com/user/12828472/ep-240-2021-mock-draft I think if he had a full-season without the injury, we'd be talking about him in the same conversation with Tatis So you’re saying he hasn’t yet posted a full season of first round stats. Pump the brakes. Guy has potential but has played less than 80 MLB games so far in his career. You could make the case he really hasn’t even had enough PAs for scouts and pitchers to find and exploit his weaknesses. Let him put together a full season first. First round is for guys that have proven it over at least a full season. None of this extrapolation stuff is justification to take a player over guys who have already done it. Edited September 27, 2020 by UberRebel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, UberRebel said: So you’re saying he hasn’t yet posted a full season of first round stats. Pump the brakes. Guy has potential but has played less than 100 MLB games so far in his career. Let him put together a full season first. First round is for guys that have proven it over at least a full season. None of this extrapolation stuff is justification to take a player over guys who have already done it. You realize Tatis hasn't yet posted a full season of stats either, right? And going into this season he was a top 15ish guy with less than 100 games played. My rationale is simple, I see a potential #1 overall type player with a pretty safe floor given all the available data. I'll take that all day with a top 15 pick; and again, in a experts mock draft, he was taken 10th overall... so I may not even get him at that price. Edited September 27, 2020 by NoHablaIngles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, NoHablaIngles said: You realize Tatis hasn't yet posted a full season of stats either, right? And going into this season he was a top 15ish guy with less than 100 games played. 1. Tatis has played roughly twice as many MLB games a Bichette in his career to date 2. Tatis is a generational talent. Bichette is talented but not Tatis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,273 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, B&F said: Yellich and Bellinger 2nd round. Machado and Harper slide in at bottom. Otherwise that is what I have. This is the type of overreaction to a 60 game sample size I was hoping to see. Hoping my leaguemates do the same. Can’t wait to capitalize! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, UberRebel said: 1. Tatis has played roughly twice as many MLB games a Bichette in his career to date 2. Tatis is a generational talent. Bichette is talented but not Tatis 1. So what? 2. Based on what? Media hyperbole and narrative? Comparable major league numbers. And Bichettes minor league resume is better. Don’t misconstrue this as a Tatis slander post, because it’s not. He’s awesome a deserves to be a top-5 pick. Edited September 27, 2020 by NoHablaIngles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Topgun 589 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, Fbaseballgod said: Bichette isn’t a first rounder lol Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fbaseballgod 219 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said: This is the type of overreaction to a 60 game sample size I was hoping to see. Hoping my leaguemates do the same. Can’t wait to capitalize! I would be afraid to take them in the early first round. Late first round or early second round I would be willing to take the risk, probably, especially with Yelich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, NoHablaIngles said: 1. So what? 2. Based on what? Media hyperbole and narrative? Comparable major league numbers. And Bichettes minor league resume is better. Don’t misconstrue this as a Tatis slander post, because it’s not. He’s awesome a deserves to be a top-5 pick. Ok, I'm done here. If you're going to try to argue "Tatis is a first rounder having only played 141 total MLB career games so Bo Bichette having played half as many games deserves that too because Tatis isn't as good as he as being hyped up to be" then I have no interest in that dialogue because it's silly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 I 2 minutes ago, UberRebel said: Ok, I'm done here. If you're going to try to argue "Tatis is a first rounder having only played 141 total MLB career games so Bo Bichette having played half as many games deserves that too because Tatis isn't as good as he as being hyped up to be" then I have no interest in that dialogue because it's silly. I too have no interest in engaging in dialogue where you backtrack on your points and then conflate two different statements to paint a false picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, NoHablaIngles said: 2. Based on what? Media hyperbole and narrative? Comparable major league numbers. And Bichettes minor league resume is better. Don’t misconstrue this as a Tatis slander post, because it’s not. He’s awesome a deserves to be a top-5 pick. Btw, Tatis is considered by experts and scouts as a generational talent because he's faster, stronger, hits the ball harder, and has had more on-field success at his age than just about every other MLB player ever. Seriously. Do a Google search. Bichette is not the same age as Tatis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) How can Tatis be a generational talent when two of his peers are better than him? stop introducing irrelevant white noise to the discussion. And things I didn't say. But whatever, you don't think bichettes a first rounder, I do. Agree to disagree Edited September 27, 2020 by NoHablaIngles 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,273 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fbaseballgod said: I would be afraid to take them in the early first round. Late first round or early second round I would be willing to take the risk, probably, especially with Yelich. Yes I think both go 7-12. Both great talents. While Yelich may feel a little safer, I think the Dodgers lineup makes up for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UberRebel 545 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, NoHablaIngles said: I I too have no interest in engaging in dialogue where you backtrack on your points and then conflate two different statements to paint a false picture. I said "First round is for guys that have proven it over at least a full season." I should not have been so literal 141 games for Tatis may not be a full season but that's pretty damn close and much more of a track record than 74 games played in Bichette's career counting today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 431 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, Backdoor Slider said: Yes I think both go 7-12. Both great talents. While Yelich may feel a little safer, I think the Dodgers lineup makes up for it. I think people are forgetting Yelich is coming off Knee surgery. I think he will come back strong next year. Bellinger, I too am less confident but he's still a worthy first round talent in my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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